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Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat

 
 
Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 08:47 am
September 24, 2006
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat
By MARK MAZZETTI

A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,'' it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, "Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement," cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," said one American intelligence official.

More than a dozen United States government officials and outside experts were interviewed for this article, and all spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a classified intelligence document. The officials included employees of several government agencies, and both supporters and critics of the Bush administration. All of those interviewed had either seen the final version of the document or participated in the creation of earlier drafts. These officials discussed some of the document's general conclusions but not details, which remain highly classified.

Officials with knowledge of the intelligence estimate said it avoided specific judgments about the likelihood that terrorists would once again strike on United States soil. The relationship between the Iraq war and terrorism, and the question of whether the United States is safer, have been subjects of persistent debate since the war began in 2003.

National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative documents that the intelligence community produces on a specific national security issue, and are approved by John D. Negroponte, director of national intelligence. Their conclusions are based on analysis of raw intelligence collected by all of the spy agencies.

Analysts began working on the estimate in 2004, but it was not finalized until this year. Part of the reason was that some government officials were unhappy with the structure and focus of earlier versions of the document, according to officials involved in the discussion.

Previous drafts described actions by the United States government that were determined to have stoked the jihad movement, like the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, and some policy makers argued that the intelligence estimate should be more focused on specific steps to mitigate the terror threat. It is unclear whether the final draft of the intelligence estimate criticizes individual policies of the United States, but intelligence officials involved in preparing the document said its conclusions were not softened or massaged for political purposes.

Frederick Jones, a White House spokesman, said the White House "played no role in drafting or reviewing the judgments expressed in the National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism." The estimate's judgments confirm some predictions of a National Intelligence Council report completed in January 2003, two months before the Iraq invasion. That report stated that the approaching war had the potential to increase support for political Islam worldwide and could increase support for some terrorist objectives.

Documents released by the White House timed to coincide with the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks emphasized the successes that the United States had made in dismantling the top tier of Al Qaeda.

"Since the Sept. 11 attacks, America and its allies are safer, but we are not yet safe," concludes one, a report titled "9/11 Five Years Later: Success and Challenges." "We have done much to degrade Al Qaeda and its affiliates and to undercut the perceived legitimacy of terrorism."

That document makes only passing mention of the impact the Iraq war has had on the global jihad movement. "The ongoing fight for freedom in Iraq has been twisted by terrorist propaganda as a rallying cry," it states.

The report mentions the possibility that Islamic militants who fought in Iraq could return to their home countries, "exacerbating domestic conflicts or fomenting radical ideologies."

On Wednesday, the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee released a more ominous report about the terrorist threat. That assessment, based entirely on unclassified documents, details a growing jihad movement and says, "Al Qaeda leaders wait patiently for the right opportunity to attack."

The new National Intelligence Estimate was overseen by David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, who commissioned it in 2004 after he took up his post at the National Intelligence Council. Mr. Low declined to be interviewed for this article.

The estimate concludes that the radical Islamic movement has expanded from a core of Qaeda operatives and affiliated groups to include a new class of "self-generating" cells inspired by Al Qaeda's leadership but without any direct connection to Osama bin Laden or his top lieutenants.

It also examines how the Internet has helped spread jihadist ideology, and how cyberspace has become a haven for terrorist operatives who no longer have geographical refuges in countries like Afghanistan.

In early 2005, the National Intelligence Council released a study concluding that Iraq had become the primary training ground for the next generation of terrorists, and that veterans of the Iraq war might ultimately overtake Al Qaeda's current leadership in the constellation of the global jihad leadership.

But the new intelligence estimate is the first report since the war began to present a comprehensive picture about the trends in global terrorism.

In recent months, some senior American intelligence officials have offered glimpses into the estimate's conclusions in public speeches.

"New jihadist networks and cells, sometimes united by little more than their anti-Western agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge," said Gen. Michael V. Hayden, during a speech in San Antonio in April, the month that the new estimate was completed. "If this trend continues, threats to the U.S. at home and abroad will become more diverse and that could lead to increasing attacks worldwide," said the general, who was then Mr. Negroponte's top deputy and is now director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

For more than two years, there has been tension between the Bush administration and American spy agencies over the violence in Iraq and the prospects for a stable democracy in the country. Some intelligence officials have said the White House has consistently presented a more optimistic picture of the situation in Iraq than justified by intelligence reports from the field.

Spy agencies usually produce several national intelligence estimates each year on a variety of subjects. The most controversial of these in recent years was an October 2002 document assessing Iraq's illicit weapons programs. Several government investigations have discredited that report, and the intelligence community is overhauling how it analyzes data, largely as a result of those investigations.

The broad judgments of the new intelligence estimate are consistent with assessments of global terrorist threats by American allies and independent terrorism experts.

The panel investigating the London terrorist bombings of July 2005 reported in May that the leaders of Britain's domestic and international intelligence services, MI5 and MI6, "emphasized to the committee the growing scale of the Islamist terrorist threat."

More recently, the Council on Global Terrorism, an independent research group of respected terrorism experts, assigned a grade of "D+" to United States efforts over the past five years to combat Islamic extremism. The council concluded that "there is every sign that radicalization in the Muslim world is spreading rather than shrinking."
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old europe
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:00 pm
I wonder how anybody who follows the situation in Iraq could reach a different conclusion. I wonder where people would get the idea that the war in Iraq has made America any safer.

Wait.

I don't wonder where people got the idea. I wonder why the swallowed it...
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:11 pm
When Bush unzips, his followers swallow.

http://obfuscated.net/images/bush-zipper.jpg
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 12:09 pm
The magic question: what do poverty, drugs, and terrorism all have in common?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 12:33 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
The magic question: what do poverty, drugs, and terrorism all have in common?


Poor decisions by the people that live in poverty, do drugs and commit terrorism?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 12:41 pm
How about: you can't eliminate them by declaring war on them.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 05:07 pm
McGentrix wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
The magic question: what do poverty, drugs, and terrorism all have in common?


Poor decisions by the people that live in poverty, do drugs and commit terrorism?



I recently saw an interview with the president of the German intelligence service. Asked about the Iraq war, he said that, from the perspective of fighting terrorism, he considered the decision to go to war with Iraq a mistake. Before the war, there had been no terrorists in Iraq. Now the country was a platform, a mobilising platform and a chance to fight the USA.

A couple of days later, the National Intelligence Estimate basically comes to the same conclusion... In one sentence: The country has become the primary training ground for terrorists.

Yet, nobody seems to be concerned too much....
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paull
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:43 pm
On Sept 10, 2001, there was talk about giving in to Saddam and eliminating no fly zones, as well as giving him another crack at letting the inspectors inspect. In another 6 months to a year, using the same soothsaying expertise as these intelligent.............no, INTELLIGENCE experts, I think he would have been back to his old ways..........fomenting war, commiting genocide, and have a good time withal. I think that anyone who thinks that that course of action, the very one promoted by Russia, France, and Germany to assure their oil supplies, is dumb.

And anyone who cuts and pastes a silly opinion piece by anyone, without examination of the alternative, has fallen into the logical trap of propounding a negative, for which one, in most schools featuring debate, would receive a failing grade.

But what else is there to expect from a preacher presenting to a choir?
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:54 pm
paull wrote:
On Sept 10, 2001, there was talk about giving in to Saddam and eliminating no fly zones, as well as giving him another crack at letting the inspectors inspect.


Where'd ya hear that?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 06:56 pm
Uh, wait, remind me again... What was the main reason for going to war with Iraq? Because Saddam was a dictator who suppressed his people?

Seems your memory differs from mine....
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anton
 
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Reply Mon 25 Sep, 2006 08:17 pm
If I were an American living in America or if I was just living in America I would be very concerned about the Intelligence Agency report; undoubtedly the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan has made the world a far more dangerous place and increased the threat of terrorist acts against the US and her allies.

Bush is a fool if he can't see this and as for alleged threat by Richard Armitage, to the Pakistani intelligence chief, that the US would bomb Pakistan back into the stone age if they didn't support the US in the so called "War on Terror", true or false that was a bad mistake. Pakistan is now a nuclear power and General Musharrf is a very unpopular dictator, a number of attempts have already been made on his life … it's only a matter of time before another attempt is made and if it is successful the al-Qaida will have a nuclear weapon and the US will have its worst imaginable nightmare. Make no mistake, the Bush regime has made the US the most hated country in the world, they are more dangerous than a hundred Osma bin Laden's and the American people would be wise to distance themselves from that regime as soon as possible.

A recent UN report stated that life in Iraq is worse now than it was under Saddam. On average one hundred innocent men, women and children are being killed daily by the occupation force and sectarian violence, before the invasion Iraq was a secular state ruled by a despot but a much less dangerous depot than George W Bush jr.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 10:40 am
BBB
Bush announced this morning that he will declassify the report. Lets hope it is the actual full report and not one edited by Bushco.

Whenever anything like this report is leaked, I'm always suspicious that karl Rove is behind it to set up the Democrats to fall into a trap.

BBB
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sunlover
 
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Reply Tue 26 Sep, 2006 11:01 am
Iraq war worsens terror threat? Certainly, it does, but what the U.S. may do about that now is key. Sending out relilgious leaders isn't helping.
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anton
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 03:24 am
Now that most of us have had the opportunity to read the condensed, declassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism, the report the Bush regime did not want the American people or the world to see, it just confirms what the New York Times, which broke the original story on 24. Sept., reported that the invasion of Iraq has quote,
"helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism" and adds that "the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks." End quote

This just proves what a lying, conniving US administration this is, the regime is using the threat of terrorism and terrorists to control the populace and push US imperialistic ambitions and Hegemony throughout the world … they are not concerned that thousands of innocent men women and children have lost their lives and lives will continue to be lost as long as this futile US aggression continues.

Sure! There is terrorism and has been for the last forty years, have we forgotten the Munich Olympics 1972 and aircraft hijackings prior to that. The attacks on the WTC, Spain and London are not new. Nobody declared war on terror back then … it took the Bush regime to do that after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. Without doubt the recent terrorist attacks are the result of the US hegemonic Foreign Policy … the world has to extract itself from the mire created by the Bush regime and prepare to fight the real battle, the true Armageddon, the war to save our world from imminent global disaster, "The War on Climate Change".

The time has come for talk, Bush and his cronies must be sidelined and we need to enter discussion with the leaders of the Islamic world, this war must be taken seriously we cannot afford to get this wrong, it affects everyone, Jews, Islamic, Hindus, Protestants, Catholics, Agnostics and Atheists … the whole population of this planet has to work together in order to defeat the real threat which is "Global Warming"… It's with us now!
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MarionT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 03:32 am
There are thousands of freedom fighters coming in to Iraq from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Tunisia to save the land of Iraq from the blasphemous behavior of the invaders who destroy mosques, kill innocent people and insult the people of Iraq every day. What does the US military expect when they invade and kill innocent Muslims each day?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 06:36 am
MarionT wrote:
There are thousands of freedom fighters coming in to Iraq from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Tunisia to save the land of Iraq from the blasphemous behavior of the invaders who destroy mosques, kill innocent people and insult the people of Iraq every day. What does the US military expect when they invade and kill innocent Muslims each day?


Give me some of what you are smoking.


It;s their own people, FELLOW MUSLIMS who are blowing up their msoques and killing innocent people. They have been killing thewmselves for thousands of years in the name of some "god" they profess to claim is a "god" of peace!

This just yesterday!

"September 27, 2006 -- BAGHDAD - Gunmen attacked two Sunni mosques and sprayed bullets into Sunni homes in a mixed neighborhood yesterday in sectarian violence that left three dead and 15 wounded.
Many of the wounded were gunmen who are suspected of being followers of radical anti-U.S. Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Police in Baghdad also found the bodies of 23 men apparently slain by the sectarian death squads terrorizing the capital.

Underscoring Iraq's divisions, more cracks appeared in a Sunni Arab agreement to support legislation that Shiites hope will lead to a self-ruled Shiite state in southern Iraq.

Many Sunnis fear that would splinter Iraq and deny their minority a share of its oil wealth.

On the eastern side of the city, meanwhile, the bodies of 23 men were found dumped in streets, all with bullet wounds and most showing signs of torture - hallmarks of sectarian killings that have raged since a Shiite shrine was bombed in Samarra last February. "

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/baghdad_mosque_slaughter_worldnews_.htm
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 07:10 am
woiyo

Marion is Bernard/massagotos/etc doing the troll thing again.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 08:51 am
BBB
There will not be peace in the Muslim world until the Israeli-Palestinian issues are resolved and a viable Palestinian State has been achieved.
The onus for world peace is on their shoulders.

BBB
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 08:51 am
BBB
bm
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 27 Sep, 2006 08:51 am
BBB
There will not be peace in the Muslim world until the Israeli-Palestinian issues are resolved and a viable Palestinian State has been achieved.
The onus for world peace is on their shoulders.

BBB
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