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Canadian sent to Syria for torture...

 
 
Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:15 am
... except, he was innocent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091800883_pf.html

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Canadian Was Falsely Accused, Panel Says
After Tip From Ally, U.S. Sent Muslim to Syria for Questioning


By Doug Struck
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, September 19, 2006; A01

TORONTO, Sept. 18 -- Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about a Muslim Canadian citizen, after which U.S. authorities secretly whisked him to Syria, where he was tortured, a judicial report found Monday.

The report, released in Ottawa, was the result of a 2 1/2-year inquiry that represented one of the first public investigations into mistakes made as part of the United States' "extraordinary rendition" program, which has secretly spirited suspects to foreign countries for interrogation by often brutal methods.

The inquiry, which focused on the Canadian intelligence services, found that agents who were under pressure to find terrorists after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, falsely labeled an Ottawa computer consultant, Maher Arar, as a dangerous radical. They asked U.S. authorities to put him and his wife, a university economist, on the al-Qaeda "watchlist," without justification, the report said.

Arar was also listed as "an Islamic extremist individual" who was in the Washington area on Sept. 11. The report concluded that he had no involvement in Islamic extremism and was on business in San Diego that day, said the head of the inquiry commission, Ontario Justice Dennis O'Connor.

Arar, now 36, was detained by U.S. authorities as he changed planes in New York on Sept. 26, 2002. He was held for questioning for 12 days, then flown by jet to Jordan and driven to Syria. He was beaten, forced to confess to having trained in Afghanistan -- where he never has been -- and then kept in a coffin-size dungeon for 10 months before he was released, the Canadian inquiry commission found.

O'Connor concluded that "categorically there is no evidence" that Arar did anything wrong or was a security threat.

Although the report centered on Canadian actions, the counsel for the commission, Paul Cavalluzzo, said the results show that the U.S. practice of renditions "ought to be reviewed."

"This is really the first report in the Western world that has had access to all of the government documents we wanted and saw the practice of extraordinary rendition in full color," he said in an interview from Ottawa. "The ramifications were that an innocent Canadian was tortured, his life was put upside down, and it set him back years and years."

Arar, who came to Canada from Syria when he was 17, said in Ottawa that he was thankful that he had been vindicated. He expressed surprise and anger at learning Monday that Canadian authorities also had asked U.S. authorities to put his wife on the al-Qaeda watchlist.

"Today Justice O'Connor has cleared my name and restored my reputation," he said at a news conference. He said the individual Canadian officials should be held accountable: "Justice requires no less."

O'Connor said it was beyond his mandate to recommend discipline for any individual.

"He really is a victim of authorities in three governments, as well as being an innocent man," Irwin Cotler, a member of parliament from the Liberal Party, said after the report was issued.

Stockwell Day, the federal government's public safety minister, said the treatment of Arar was "regrettable. We hope, with any future situations, never to see this happen again."

Since Sept. 11, the CIA, working with other intelligence agencies, has captured an estimated 3,000 people in its effort to dismantle terrorist networks. Many of them have been secretly taken by "extraordinary rendition" to other countries, hidden from U.S. legal requirements and often subject to torture.

Those renditions are often carried out by CIA agents dressed head to toe in black, wearing masks, who blindfold their subjects and dress them in black. The practice is generating increased opposition by other countries; Italy is seeking to prosecute CIA officers who allegedly abducted a Muslim cleric in Milan in February 2003, and German prosecutors are investigating the CIA's activities in their country.

Although details of the renditions and the destinations of those held are secret, President Bush has confirmed the existence of CIA-run prisons throughout the world. Some of the subjects of renditions have been held in those prisons.

O'Connor also recommended that the government review the case of three other Muslim Canadian citizens, who were detained when they traveled through Syria, to determine what role Canadian authorities played in their imprisonment.

But it was the case of Arar, a reserved, soft-spoken father of two, that created outrage in Canada after he returned in 2003 and said he wanted the public to know what had happened to him.

The report said agents of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police "overstated" Arar's importance in the broad investigation they began of potential Canadian suspects after Sept. 11.

Canadian police opened a file on Arar after seeing him talking to two other Muslim Canadians they were watching, authorities have acknowledged. Arar insisted the men were casual acquaintances in the small Muslim community in Montreal, where he lived before moving to British Columbia.

O'Connor said Monday that police agents told the Americans that Arar was "suspected of being linked to the al Qaeda movement." The judge concluded: "The RCMP had no basis for this description."

The Mounties also falsely claimed Arar had refused to be interviewed and had "suddenly" left for Tunisia. It listed him as a business associate of another man they called a "Bin Laden associate." Those descriptions were "either completely inaccurate" or overstated his casual connections, O'Connor said in an 822-page, three-volume report.

That information "very likely" led to his rendition, the report said. U.S. officials refused to cooperate with the Canadian inquiry.

Cavalluzzo said the Canadian agents apparently operated without proper training. "The best one can say is that it was sheer incompetence. They did not appreciate the fact that the branding of someone as a 'target' or 'suspect' or 'Islamic extremist' to Americans in 2002 could lead to disastrous consequences."

After Arar was detained in New York, Canadian authorities apparently were unaware the Americans were preparing to send him to Syria, according to the commission finding.

The RCMP contact, Inspector Michel Cabana, "was under the impression that Mr. Arar would only be detained for a short time," O'Connor's report said. "In his view, Mr. Arar was being held in a country with many of the same values as Canada."

Arar filed a lawsuit in U.S. federal court, but the case was dismissed by a judge citing "national security" issues. Arar is also seeking compensation from the Canadian government.

Some crucial questions about the incident remain unanswered, at least publicly. Over the repeated objections of O'Connor, the federal government censored much of the testimony given during the proceedings as well as some of the final report. O'Connor's report said a federal court should be asked to decide whether to disclose some of the censored items.

Arar was not permitted to testify; the judge ruled it would be unfair to subject him to questioning based on secret information. He has testified before a European Parliament committee in Brussels.

Special correspondent Natalia Alexandrova contributed to this report.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company


This is the kind of thing that we do now. Disappear people to foreign countries and torture them. How can anyone support this?

How can anyone think the US will continue to enjoy our position of respect, and moral authority, if we keep actions like this up?

Geez

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:19 am
We've always done things like this, it's just that now we do it more frequently, I think.

Rule of law... hmm...
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:20 am
Cycloptichorn

Walter has already started a thread on this issue. Just letting you know
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:21 am
Here ya go:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83020&highlight=
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:32 am
This has been very much in the news in Canada, and CBC has done several reports on this recently, and interviewed Mr. Arar today. It has been stated by the court in Canada that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police knowingly made false statements about Mr. Arar and his family and connections to terrorist organizations. Mr. Harper's government has been developing a bad image for following the lead of Washington, and although his government is not responsible for this incident with Mr. Arar, the inevitable political fallout for any scandal which is revealed on the government's watch is not helping him. (All governments tend to suffer from the consequences of the actions or policies of previous governments, and Harper's government is no exception.) Harper and company have kept a low profile, and have not commented, wishing neither to be associated with this case, nor to offend conservative supporters by criticizing the RCMP. It remains to be seen if they can avoid comment.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:42 am
msolga wrote:
Cycloptichorn

Walter has already started a thread on this issue. Just letting you know


Thanks, but I like to talk in the Politics forum, it is far more active.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:43 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
msolga wrote:
Cycloptichorn

Walter has already started a thread on this issue. Just letting you know


Thanks, but I like to talk in the Politics forum, it is far more active.

Cycloptichorn


nodding in agreement
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 10:55 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Thanks, but I like to talk in the Politics forum, it is far more active.

Cycloptichorn


That's okay. I have a different opinion about "International" to common American belief - especially, since it's about Canada.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:04 am
HOW IS THIS OUR FAULT?

A big story topping the news today is this tale of woe from a Canadian citizen who was allegedly tortured in Syria after being accused of terrorism and deported. The thrust of today's media coverage is that all of this is the fault of the United States. Of course, any wrong committed anywhere in the world is our fault. The 36-year-old software engineer says he was tortured in Syrian jails before being freed in 2003. A Canadian judge has ruled that he was innocent and cleared his name. And all of this is supposed to be our fault.

Wait just a minute here. Let's take a closer look at what happened. The facts speak for themselves:

* Canadian police identified this guy as a terrorist. It was their call...they did it. They passed the info along to the U.S., but they made the initial call about this guy. Fault: Canada.


* The judge that has cleared the man says the Canadian police made a number of mistakes and passed flawed information along to the United States. Fault: Canada.


* Police handed over the information without screening it for mistakes. Again, the fault lies with Canada.

So naturally, Canada is passing the buck and blaming the United States. After telling us this guy was a terrorist and that he was seen associating with another terrorist...what did they expect us to do? This was right after 9/11...so we picked him up and sent him to Syria for a little debriefing.

If he indeed is innocent, then the fault lies 100% with Canadian officials. But that's not what we're hearing today. Oh well.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:08 am
Canadian officials dropped the ball on this one.
Big time.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:09 am
Weird. Syria is on Bushie's sh!t list. The Jerusalem Post said Bushie begged Olmert to bomb Damascus during the Lebanon war. That would most likely have led to war with Iran and ultimately WW3. And yet Syria allowed this prisoner in to be tortured. Strange.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:09 am
Where do you come up with your drivel, McWhitey.

CBC has been full of this story, and no one is blaming the Americans. It is quite clearly being laid at the door of the RCMP.

You sure are paranoid.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:12 am
Boortz, huh? That figures. Along with paranoid, let me add credulous to your résumé, McWhitey.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:18 am
Re: Canadian sent to Syria for torture...
Cycloptichorn wrote:
... except, he was innocent.

...story...

This is the kind of thing that we do now. Disappear people to foreign countries and torture them. How can anyone support this?

How can anyone think the US will continue to enjoy our position of respect, and moral authority, if we keep actions like this up?

Geez

Cycloptichorn


So Setanta, where does Cycloptichorn lay the blame on Canadians here? My post was a response to the starting comment on this thread and are quite appropriate.

If you can not contain your mindless commentary to the topic of the thread, at least read all the posts before you post your haughty opinion.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:21 am
From Jeff Sallot on the Arar commission by The Gobe and Mail:

Quote:
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:23 am
I'd be interested to know how you consider it haughty to point out that you provided a spurious story straight from the Boortz to underpin that claptrap. If you had read the entire thread, you'd know that i'd already pointed out that the commentators in Canada, as well as the court which has reviewed this deportation, have laid the blame squarely at the door of the RCMP.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:24 am
McGentrix wrote:
HOW IS THIS OUR FAULT?

A big story topping the news today is this tale of woe from a Canadian citizen who was allegedly tortured in Syria after being accused of terrorism and deported. The thrust of today's media coverage is that all of this is the fault of the United States. Of course, any wrong committed anywhere in the world is our fault. The 36-year-old software engineer says he was tortured in Syrian jails before being freed in 2003. A Canadian judge has ruled that he was innocent and cleared his name. And all of this is supposed to be our fault.

Wait just a minute here. Let's take a closer look at what happened. The facts speak for themselves:

* Canadian police identified this guy as a terrorist. It was their call...they did it. They passed the info along to the U.S., but they made the initial call about this guy. Fault: Canada.


* The judge that has cleared the man says the Canadian police made a number of mistakes and passed flawed information along to the United States. Fault: Canada.


* Police handed over the information without screening it for mistakes. Again, the fault lies with Canada.

So naturally, Canada is passing the buck and blaming the United States. After telling us this guy was a terrorist and that he was seen associating with another terrorist...what did they expect us to do? This was right after 9/11...so we picked him up and sent him to Syria for a little debriefing.

If he indeed is innocent, then the fault lies 100% with Canadian officials. But that's not what we're hearing today. Oh well.


Are you crazy, McG? I know Boortz is, but to parrot his idiocy?

Did the Canadians screw up? Yes, they did. But how about this line:

Quote:
This was right after 9/11...so we picked him up and sent him to Syria for a little debriefing.


Debriefing, of course = torture. Boortz just can't bring himself to use the word.

How is it not the fault of the US that we sent this guy to Syria to be tortured? Even if Canada did screw up and identify this guy as a problem, it was our decision to send him away to be tortured, to disappear the guy.

Amazing that you could write such a thing with a straight face. I think you must really just be having us on, trying to pull our legs...

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:26 am
However, there might be some fear amongst CIA personals .... and the their supporters.
J. Cofer Black, then the CIA's counterterrorism chief, told Bush that "the gloves come off" and promised "heads on spikes" in the counter-terror effort.
Waiting for more to come: the case of the imman in Italy, the German Khaled al Masri ...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:38 am
How is this our fault? How about we shouldn't be sending people to foreign countries to be tortured.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 11:41 am
Why would they send him to Syria.... Hmmmmm.... that's a tough one.

Perhaps it's because he was FROM Syria? It's hardly the fault of the US that Syria has tougher interrogation tactics than Canada or the US now is it? It's hardly the fault of the US that Canada declared he was a terrorist now was it?

You have your brithes in a knot because the US deported a person to their home country when that person was declared a terrorist. Are you suggesting that we should no longer trust Canadian intelligence? That we should ignor warnings of terrorist suspects?

What am I missing here Cycloptichorn? What should have been done with this person and what should we do with declared terrorists in the future?
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