Hate is a Four-Letter Family Value

Sorry Kate, but I just don't see much common sense (sound practical judgement) to equating the attributes of God as depicted in the first person accounts of books of Moses with the attributes of Jesus as depicted in the first person accounts of the gospels. They are like polar opposites

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Sorry Kate, but I just don't see much common sense (sound practical judgement) to equating the attributes of God as depicted in the first person accounts of books of Moses with the attributes of Jesus as depicted in the first person accounts of the gospels. They are like polar opposites

Mequite i understand what your saying.....but Christ himself says he is the "I AM" bf abraham...so he claims to be the God of the ot.....All i can say is during the ot it was a different time and different instances.....plus you seem to forget..there are instances in the nt that God shows his wrath....ie acts with annaias and sapphira (whom he strikes down dead)...
or read revelation......The God of the Old test is the same God of the New testament.......

12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it...

20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

Mesquite you seem to forget that JEsus said he was doing His father Gods will.....all he did was what God told him to.....and JEsus himself spoke of hell and condemnation for those that reject him as Savior.......and revelation is clear that Christ will come down and uphold Gods wrath....revelation 19:11-16

mesquite i find it amazing that i gave verses that show Jesus himself saying those that reject him are condemned and will go to hell......and that all he did was Gods will....also you forget the bible says God sent Christ ....its Gods love that sent him for us to have forgiveness.....

mesquite i find it amazing that i gave verses that show Jesus himself saying those that reject him are condemned and will go to hell......and that all he did was Gods will....

also you forget the bible says God sent Christ ....its Gods love that sent him for us to have forgiveness.....

mesquite please read john 3:16-18......it says to believe in Jesus Christ and those that dont are condemned.......plus i can produce more verses throughout the nt that say that you have to repent and believe in Jesus to be saved.......if you want

JPB when i said "hate torture kill" i was using kill in the context of those that were first discussed at the beginning of this thread ...that believe that we are justified to kill (murder) those that believe differently .......ie rudolph blowing up the abortion clinic and killing a security guard....or the rcc killing ppl who didnt believe as they did during the inquisition.....

Kate, the problem with christians not acknowledging that their fringe elements are also christian and with muslims not acknowledging that their extremists are also representing Islam is that the rest of us have no option but to lump the good in with the bad. You can't simply turn away from your own membership because they don't represent your personal thoughts and expect society to do the same. Fringe elements must be dealt with from within the group, not ignored. They don't go away and you don't get to decide for the world who is and isn't part of your club. This applies to any religion.

Saying that the RCCs during the Inquisition weren't christians is ludicrous. You can't rewrite history, Kate, and claim that actions done in the name of the church weren't done by christians because you wish it to be so. This is the most ridiculous claim I've ever seen.

Christ said we have to follow him and his teachings to be a christian...That is what christian means.

....and even according to the bible i dont have to acknowledge those that torture bomb and murder as christians bc Christ said they were false...He also said we are to reject them and stand against them....

The Christian Bible is a drug store. Its contents remain the same; but the medical practice changes. For eighteen hundred years these changes were slight -- scarcely noticeable. The practice was allopathic -- allopathic in its rudest and crudest form. The dull and ignorant physician day and night, and all the days and all the nights, drenched his patient with vast and hideous doses of the most repulsive drugs to be found in the store's stock; he bled him, cupped him, purged him, puked him, salivated him, never gave his system a chance to rally, nor nature a chance to help. He kept him religion sick for eighteen centuries, and allowed him not a well day during all that time. The stock in the store was made up of about equal portions of baleful and debilitating poisons, and healing and comforting medicines; but the practice of the time confined the physician to the use of the former; by consequence, he could only damage his patient, and that is what he did.

Not until far within our century was any considerable change in the practice introduced; and then mainly, or in effect only, in Great Britain and the United States. In the other countries to-day, the patient either still takes the ancient treatment or does not call the physician at all. In the English-speaking countries the changes observable in our century were forced by that very thing just referred to -- the revolt of the patient against the system; they were not projected by the physician. The patient fell to doctoring himself, and the physician's practice began to fall off. He modified his method to get back his trade. He did it gradually, reluctantly; and never yielded more at a time than the pressure compelled. At first he relinquished the daily dose of hell and damnation, and administered it every other day only; next he allowed another day to pass; then another and presently another; when he had restricted it at last to Sundays, and imagined that now there would surely be a truce, the homeopath arrived on the field and made him abandon hell and damnation altogether, and administered Christ's love, and comfort, and charity and compassion in its stead. These had been in the drug store all the time, gold labeled and conspicuous among the long shelfloads of repulsive purges and vomits and poisons, and so the practice was to blame that they had remained unused, not the pharmacy. To the ecclesiastical physician of fifty years ago, his predecessor for eighteen centuries was a quack; to the ecclesiastical physician of to-day, his predecessor of fifty years ago was a quack. To the every-man-his-own-ecclesiastical-doctor of -- when? -- what will the ecclesiastical physician of to-day be? Unless evolution, which has been a truth ever since the globes, suns, and planets of the solar system were but wandering films of meteor dust, shall reach a limit and become a lie, there is but one fate in store for him.

....and even according to the bible i dont have to acknowledge those that torture bomb and murder as christians bc Christ said they were false...He also said we are to reject them and stand against them....