Why isn't homosexuality considered a mental illness anymore?

You can't debate peoples sexual preferences...

Straights, bi-sexuals, anysexuals, gay men and lesbians are all representaive of the diversity of human nature and sexuality. And should enjoy equal freedoms and protection under the law.

I'm always shocked by homophobic comments on here, I simply do not come across it in MY everyday life.

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Re: Why isn't homosexuality considered a mental illness anym

Monolith wrote:

Blonde hair and blue eyes dont prevent a person from passing on their genes, which is the biological objective of the human species.

No, you've misunderstood evolution there. It's just a descriptive theory - it says we mate, we pass on genes, genes mutate, species evolve, etc. It doesn't say "we have to pass on out genes." We are naturally inclined to try and survive, and to try and have sex with people, but it is not our objective to make babies and pass on genes.

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Monolith wrote:

Homosexuality is no more a persons choice than is blonde hair or blue eyes. No one chooses to be attracted to the same sex. And it's certainly not normal, either - our entire reproduction depends on people being attracted to the opposite sex.

Why, then, aren't treatments pursued for it? Why has it become accepted as a "lifestyle" when it's not a lifestyle any gay person chose, it's one their biology forced upon them?

You are right. It is a mental illness. I am mad. So are several people in this world. We all should be treated.

Let's start working on a miracle drug which will make women attractive to me sexually. After all, all the medical research in the other areas of AIDS, Cancer are all waste of money. There are far more pressing problems like homosexuality to be solved.

Rolling Eyes

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Actually, I think, if you want to scientify this subject anywhoo, gay people are indeed a benefit to our human race at large.
The amount of children produced is incumbent upon several factors, not the least of which has to do with the probability of survival until adulthood. For us humans, especially those of us residing in Europe and America, that chance is very high indeed. With no natural predators, and a healthcare quite capable of stopping plenty of deadly diseases before they can take a life, children have a high probability of reaching adulthood. The biggest threats are probably interspecies! (Traffic, sexual predators, crime, poverty etc.)
Gay people are not likely to become parents and so, will relieve the population pressure. and to those who see it as a gene-regulated disease of some kind (to which I don't agree, but that is another discussion), you should take comfort in the fact that their actions should 'weed out' the 'defect' of gayhood from the human gene pool.

Naj.

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Re: Why isn't homosexuality considered a mental illness anym

Monolith wrote:

Homosexuality is no more a persons choice than is blonde hair or blue eyes. No one chooses to be attracted to the same sex. And it's certainly not normal, either - our entire reproduction depends on people being attracted to the opposite sex.

Why, then, aren't treatments pursued for it? Why has it become accepted as a "lifestyle" when it's not a lifestyle any gay person chose, it's one their biology forced upon them?

This is a series of naive and unsubstantiated statements. No one can say with confidence why people indulge in any sexual preference. No one can say with confidence what is or is not normal. The history of monarchy has demonstrated again and again that homosexuals can reproduce--so claims that it is "not normal" on that basis are specious. People in all walks of life who happen to have been homosexual have contributed to the human condition, in sometimes marvelous ways, so it is a narrow-minded conceit to suggest that only heterosexuals can make lasting contributions to the human condition.

I suggest, though, that anyone with such a benighted view of life and humanity is certainly, if not mentally unhealthy, certainly mentally deficient in the ability to understand others.

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Has anybody suggested-

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that only heterosexuals can make lasting contributions to the human condition.

But it does depend on what a lasting contribution to the human condition actually consists of. In this context it probably means anything that Setanta happens to have heard of and approves.

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I suggest, though, that anyone with such a benighted view of life and humanity is certainly, if not mentally unhealthy, certainly mentally deficient in the ability to understand others..

One might easily have a fair understanding of others without giving their behaviour approval.

On the theory of large groups homosexuality between males is disapproved of and thus, according to Setanta, the majority of the population are, if not mentally unhealthy, certainly mentally deficient in the ability to understand others. The minority view, pushed by chattering class media probably because it is a minority view and thus exciting and controversial, is then, by definition, mentally healthy and with an ability to understand others and, as one might expect, Setanta belongs to this small group.

Those who claim to understand others might not even have gone as far as thinking why most men find the idea of sex with another man not only utterly distasteful but also impossible. Their sanitised abstractions stand in the way of the concrete reality and they take advantage of the exigencies of the forum which prevent the discussion being real.

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Isnt it a good thing to be gay as there is overcrowding in some countries and I think its in Japan where they can only have 1 offspring.
If we've got to those stages then surely we should see homosexuality as useful.

I dont see how peadophilia has anything to do with sexuality.Its an age thing isnt it?
Peadophiles are mentally il because its not right to 'interfere' with unconsenting sexually immature children.
Gay people consent to the sex they have.

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material girl wrote:

Isnt it a good thing to be gay as there is overcrowding in some countries and I think its in Japan where they can only have 1 offspring.
If we've got to those stages then surely we should see homosexuality as useful.

Even if there were no overcrowding, beign gay would still be perfectly fine. Why does everything have to be "useful" in some way? I don't see how my heterosexuality benefits society at all... I'm not planning on rearing any children.

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Which is, in my view, a sensible and courageous decision in view of the shite they would have to face such as getting up to go to effing school every flipping morning come hail or come shine and learn al-effing-jebra just because some other silly t**t learned it and they need something to do with his expertise.

And that's just a taster for what lies ahead.

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Did my vasectomy render me abnormal?

In societies where the left hand is used for "dirty" actions, like wiping one's butt and the right hand is used for giving and receiving gifts and eating, lefties must be taught to use their right hand for things they would not "normally" use it for. But does that mean THEY are the problem or is it the cultural customs of handedness?

Homosexuality is not a problem--just ask any gay. Society is the problem.

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Re: Why isn't homosexuality considered a mental illness anym

Monolith wrote:

What a person is physically capable of and what they prefer are two very different things. Im physically capable of not eating any sugar for the rest of my life. Will i choose to? Nope. A homosexual can reproduce if they want to, but are they likely to? Nope. A heterosexual can choose to have sex with a man, but is he likely to do so? Nope.

Sturgis wrote:

What sort of treatment? Should we perhaps convert all the non-homosexuals since they did not choose their sexuality either, what makes you believe their sexuality is normal?

Because a heterosexual orientation perpetuates our species. Are you suggesting that sexual reproduction is abnormal?

And here we have the sticking point. We live in a society with a pack mentality. Only the alpha pair in a pack reproduce. Heterosexuals are those alpha pairs. Does that mean the rest of the pack is useless and abnormal? No. Without the rest of the pack, the alpha pair won't survive.

You don't decide what is abnormal. The natural environment decides what is normal. Treating and wiping out a certain group of people will only limit the gene pool.

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Do you think a 12 year old on the verge of adolescense decides one day that "hey, in this homophobic society where my peers use 'gay' as a derisive adjective as much as 'sucks' or 'crappy', i think ill choose to be a homosexual and be ostracized from society." Im doubting it. If homosexuality were a choice, dont you think the impressionable young people of society would "choose" to be something more accepted by their peers?

Do you even read what people say? Sturgis said nothing of the sort.

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So is pedophilia a "lifestyle" as well? Or is that a mental illness?

That's a mental illness and wrong, because it's nonconsensual. Why is it that people like you always compare homosexuality to paedophilia, when they're not comparable?

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Instead of "Why is homosexuality not considered an illness anymore?" I think the title of the thread should have been "Why was homosexuality ever considered an illness?"

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BY FAR, most pedophiles are heterosexual.

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There seems to be a connection between the old idea of a person's worth being tied up in their ability to have babies, and the idea that homosexuality is 'wrong, mentally ill, abnormal'.

Gays are of lesser value, and women such as I who have not had children - whether by choice or because of medical reasons - are of lesser value.

IMO, all part of the teachings to ensure there were many children born. Maybe bc of high mortality rates at one time/place, as cheap labour.
Also seems to be male-dominated cultures who do this.

Gay folks have a freedom and experience of the world that is unique. I think someone is jealous. Laughing

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The Prince said to someone "You are right. It is a mental illness."
Did you know, Prince, that the classical Greeks referred to love in general as "the Divine Madness" ?

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A friend of mine is a beefy 400 pound Republican. He insists that being gay is a "choice". One day I aksed him, "when you were a teenager did you decide that women were going to turn you on or did it just happen by itself?" He replied "I DECIDED!" I replied, "If that's the case then that means both men and women turn you on. By definition that make YOU gay my friend!"

He slammed his fist on the desk. "I'm a married man with two kids!!! How dare you call me gay!!!"

At this point he rose from his chair and started to chase me. He wasn't very swift and I ran for the door. I've never seen him again.

No doubt about it. He's gay.

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Interesting point, Nick. Your friend CHOSE between two possible sources of sexual pleasure. How embarrassing for him to have made such a confession. I hope he doesn't catch you. Shame fury is deadly.

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SOMEBODY CURE ME !!!

Twisted Evil

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Yo, who wants to be cured by the 400 pound Republican?

Joe(Try not to picture it)Nation

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I am CURED.

Women of the world beware

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