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Bush compares Iraq war to WW2

 
 
Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 02:25 pm
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Bush compares Iraq war to WW2

President says withdrawal would mean victory for US enemies


PRESIDENT President George Bush compared the war against Islamic militants to last century's fight against Nazis and communists and said a United States withdrawal from Iraq would lead to its conquest by America's worst enemies.

'The security of the civilised world depends on victory in the war on terror, and that depends on victory in Iraq,' Bush said in a speech on Thursday at the American Legion convention to rally support for his unpopular war strategy.

The Democrats responded by accusing Bush of pursuing failed policies that have weakened the war on terrorism.

Nearly 4000 anti-war protesters demonstrated downtown on Wednesday. But there were no organised protests


It was the first in a series of Iraq speeches by Bush at a time when just 33 percent of Americans approve of his handling of the war, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.

'Some politicians look at our efforts in Iraq and see a diversion from the war on terror,' Bush said. 'That would come as news to Osama bin Laden, who proclaimed that the 'third world war is raging' in Iraq. -


Bush noted that many people are frustrated with the unrelenting violence in Iraq and that some are calling for a timetable for withdrawal. 'Many of these folks are sincere and they're patriotic, but they could be 'they could not be more wrong,' Bush said.

Some Republicans, like Congressman Christopher Shays, have joined with Democrats in seeking a withdrawal timetable.

'If America were to pull out before Iraq can defend itself, the consequences would be absolutely predictable ' and absolutely disastrous,' Bush said. 'We would be handing Iraq over to our worst enemies.'


Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid dismissed the president's remarks. 'No matter how many speeches the president gives, the truth is that his failed policies have taken the country in a dangerous direction.

'The American people know that five years after September 11th, we are not as safe as we should and could be. Iraq is in crisis, our military is stretched thin, and terrorist groups and extremist regimes have been strengthened and emboldened across the Middle East and the world. It is time for a new direction.'


Bush also accused Syria of sponsoring terrorism and said Iran was interfering in Iraq and pursuing nuclear weapons.

He said America's enemies include radical Sunnis and militant Shiias who join groups like Hezbollah and take guidance from state sponsors like Syria and Iran. ' Sapa-AP

http://www.dispatch.co.za/2006/09/02/Foreign/bush.html


Iraq war = WW2

Bush = Hitler ?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 02:30 pm
I listened to that speech. When do you suppose that idiot will realize that he is creating more terrorists than he is taking out?

That is one dumb son of a bitch.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 03:02 pm
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
I listened to that speech. When do you suppose that idiot will realize that he is creating more terrorists than he is taking out?

That is one dumb son of a bitch.

It's just that kinda talk that emboldens the repubicans, hang in there and we shall defeat the Japs any day now. stay the course you know just stay the course, Hanoi will surrender peace with honor. In the meantime, anyone up for invading Grenada?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 03:05 pm
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The Five Morons Revisited

by Paul Craig Roberts

When the neocons launched the Bush administration's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and announced plans for invading Syria and Iran, I labeled Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rice "the Five Morons." With the passage of time, I see that I overestimated their mental capabilities.

The "cakewalk" war has now lasted longer than World War II with Nazi Germany, and no end is in sight. It has cost the U.S. taxpayers $310 billion in out-of-pocket costs, with many additional hundreds of billions coming due in veterans' medical bills and other expenses yet to be paid.

To carry on this pointless war, which has achieved nothing but death, destruction, and hatred of America, Bush has had to call up inactive reserves who long ago completed their active-duty service to their country and have managed to get on with their lives. It is well known that the older one gets the harder it is to find employment or the energy to restart a mothballed business. But Bush is too busy saving us from terrorism to care about people's lives.

Despite the lack of U.S. troops and Bush's inability to prevail in Afghanistan and Iraq, neocons in Bush's government are working around the clock to instigate war with Iran and Syria.

I thought that I had Rumsfeld pegged as the complete dolt, but I was stunned when I read Associated Press reporter Robert Burns' account of what Rumsfeld told 200 Navy aviators in a question and answer session at Fallon Naval Air Station on Aug. 28. "The thing that keeps me up at night," said Rumsfeld, is the success of terrorist groups in "manipulating the media."...
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 03:08 pm
""The thing that keeps me up at night," said Rumsfeld ""

perhaps too much roughage in the diet Rolling Eyes Question
hbg
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 05:33 pm
You're right...the Iraq war is nothing like WWII...particularly in the resolve and support the nation's politicians offered the President...

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Ned Lamont Is No Clare Boothe Luce
By Jeffrey Lord
Published 9/1/2006 12:08:35 AM

The year was 1942.

After more than a decade of losing elections to Democrats, after three straight presidential losses to Franklin D. Roosevelt -- the man conservative Republicans loved to hate -- the scent of victory was at last in the air for the GOP.

But there was a problem, and a big one at that. The previous December 7th America had been attacked at Pearl Harbor. The attack was a disaster, killing 2,471 military and civilians and destroying a considerable portion of the U.S. Navy. For the second time in just over twenty years the country was now at war. Not only were we fighting the Japanese but the Germans and the Italians too.

In the partisan camps of the Republican Party there was considerable feeling that the fault for this lay personally with FDR. Some were convinced he either knew the attack was coming and let it happen to plunge the country into the war, or that he should have known and was simply incompetent. The man, they believed, was neither very bright nor very honest. Battlefields were now erupting in strange countries literally all over the world -- in Europe, Africa, Asia. So in circumstances like this, how does a political opposition approach the upcoming election?

Savage FDR? Run on a campaign of "Roosevelt lied and people died"? Should they go out and tell the American people just how dangerously incompetent the man was, that the best thing to do was make peace with Hitler and Japan's Hirohito, then elect Republicans who would simply force FDR to bring home the boys and let the rest of the world cope with chaos? After all, a few years earlier FDR himself had turned back an ocean liner filled with 937 Jews escaping the looming Holocaust. The idea of not making Hitler, Hirohito or Mussolini any angrier than they were was certainly one approach.

The Republicans did none of the above. Instead, with the President on the political ropes at last, with a burgeoning team of attractive GOP candidates all over the country they did something else.

They rallied to FDR.

<<<snip>>>>

As America readies for the traditional Labor Day kickoff of this year's election campaign, a look back tells us the world has certainly changed in 2006. In 1942, Republicans and Democrats both understood the dangers the country and the world faced.

What happened in 1942?

The Republicans won the election, gaining 44 new House seats and 10 in the Senate, not quite a majority, but erasing FDR's control. Dewey won in New York and was instantly bannered as a presidential sure thing. GOP gubernatorial candidates won across the country.

What was FDR's reaction? The news account of his post-election press conference reported FDR "laughs." Why? Said the headline: "Assumes New Congress is for Winning, So Why Should Poll Make Any Difference?"

And the Nazis and the Japanese? The so-called Axis Powers? What was their response? The New York Times editorial page trumpeted "an admission from Berlin that it would be 'harboring an illusion' to expect the Republican victory to bring any change whatever in the policy of the United States." Focusing on the silence of Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels, the paper concluded: "His silence is proof of the fact that we have made the unity of our purpose apparent to our enemies."

We're a long way from 1942.

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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 05:48 pm
Apples and oranges.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 07:40 pm
Apples and oranges? Not according to the President. According to the President of these United States :

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The security of the civilized world depends on victory in the war on terror, and that depends on victory in Iraq.
George W. Bush, Sept 1, 2006

So one wonders if that is true, if the security of the civilized world depends on victory in the war on terror, and that depends on victory in Iraq, where is the all-out war effort?

Where are the War Bonds?
Where are the sacrifices being made on the homefront?
What? No rationing of anything?
No reinstatement of the draft?
No patriotic gatherings at parks accompanied by marital music?
No ads on tv or radio extolling the supreme struggle we are engaged in?

Shouldn't the President be asking for billions in aid ( to be added to the 310 billions already spent) to assist in the rebuilding of the Iraq and the Middle East?

What kind of a war for the security of the civilized world is this?

Are we at war or are we just talking a really good game?

The answer, to no one's surprise who's been watching this bunch of authoritarian sycophants operate for the past six years, is they haven't got a clue what the hell is going on.

You saw how this administration handled the crisis in New Orleans with it's shiny new Homeland Security Administration? That's just the way the foreign policy of this nation has been run since 9-11, a series of panic stricken shots in the dark without any regard for what was to follow.

Think for a moment, if your goal was to promote stability and democracy in the the Middle if you would have engaged in the unilateral invasion of a sovereign nation based on the slimmest of intelligence reports, all of which proved in hindsight to be vastly overstated.

Think for a moment if you would have disbanded the entire Iraqi Armed Forces if you had any idea that you might need a stable military to provide security in the future.

Think for a moment if you would have encouraged the use of TORTURE if you had any idea that you were trying to promote democratic rule in the nation.

And where is the new sense of heightened security here in America?
Have the ports been made more secure?
Are the chemical plants on federally mandated high alert or even medium alert?

It's been five years and we still don't know how many foreign students are here on expired visas.

We are supposedly in a war for the security of the civilized world.

We can't walk down the middle of a street in Baghdad and we can't get on a plane with a tube of hair gel.

Joe(Is this movie directed by Fellini?)Nation
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 07:48 pm
Oh, and one more thing:

I think the veterans of WWII who faced down the two largest military machines ever created (and whipped their asses in less time than this President has spent trying to get the Mahdi Army to behave) ought to shout down his comparison of their real war to this screwed up mess.

It's not apples and oranges. It's cannonballs and soap bubbles.

Joe(He's not worth the spit it takes to shine their shoes.)Nation
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 07:49 pm
Not only that, Joe.... but WWII had the backing of the world.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 07:58 pm
Wow, what short memories you all have.

A2K sucks. You are the reason.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:01 pm
Righto,

I'm in a cab tonight and the Jamaican driver is listening to the news about this latest speech. He turns to me and says, "What you think? Do you think this guy (Bush) has killed us all? This guy has made everyone against us now. You don't fight terrorists by sending a battalion, you go and find them one by one. Yes?"

I told him he needs to go to Washington.

Joe(just park the cab and take the train before it's too late for all of us)Nation
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:03 pm
Agreed. But fight them.

Do it every day.

Do it by posting on A2K.

Tell terrorists tha they are assholes.

Profile them at every opportunity.

I do.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:06 pm
You fight terrorists?

You fight them every day?

You successfully fight terrorists on A2K?

You call terrorists names?

How do you profile a terrorist as opposed to an innocent muslim?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:10 pm
Shocked I guess he doesn't want to answer.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 08:12 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Wow, what short memories you all have.

A2K sucks. You are the reason.


Yeah. We suck, but we aren't leading this nation into the biggest foreign policy screw-up in history.

We suck, but we don't think we are so sure of all the answers that we don't want to hear any dissenting opinions. What's yours?

We suck, but we don't demand unbridled fealty for a dry-drunk gymrat who happens to find himself being President of the United States when he rathered a'stayed home in Texas, shooting varments in the woodpiles and watching the wind blow.

We suck. But we have a grasp on reality.

Joe(taint easy hanging on)Nation
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 09:37 pm
Grip on reality? nah.

The war was won in 2 weeks. The resistance has been emboldened by the inability of the US military to be able to use it's full force in modern war. In WW2, we used far more aggressive tactics then we are allowed to in Iraq. We can not send in fleets of bombers and indiscriminately destroy entire cities. We can not march acrossed the land and kill the uniformed enemies before us.

I agree that the ongoing war in Iraq is not like WW2. It is unlike any war we have ever fought and that has required many new tactics. Some have worked, some have not.

Instead of blaming Bush and the current administration for it's many failures, how about remembering that it is the enemy, hiding amongst the civilians, acting like terrorists that keep the war going.

US Forces are NOT going to leave Iraq until Iraq can defend themselves while Bush is President. He has made that clear enough. No amount of whining from the left is going to change that.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 09:39 pm
The enemy is fighting because George Bush sent in the troops and attacked a sovereign nation illegally.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 09:43 pm
Illegally? 10 years too late is more like it. Rookie.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 2 Sep, 2006 09:44 pm
Perhaps you could explain why it was two years too late. Oh, and the name is not rookie.
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