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The new GOP buzzword: Fascism

 
 
Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 10:13 am
The new GOP buzzword: Fascism
August 30, 2006
WASHINGTON (AP)

President Bush in recent days has recast the global war on terror into a "war against Islamic fascism." Fascism, in fact, seems to be the new buzz word for Republicans in an election season dominated by an unpopular war in Iraq.

Bush used the term earlier this month in talking about the arrest of suspected terrorists in Britain, and spoke of "Islamic fascists" in a later speech in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Spokesman Tony Snow has used variations on the phrase at White House press briefings.

Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pennsylvania, in a tough re-election fight, drew parallels on Monday between World War II and the current war against "Islamic fascism," saying they both require fighting a common foe in multiple countries. It's a phrase Santorum has been using for months.

And Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Tuesday took it a step further in a speech to an American Legion convention in Salt Lake City, accusing critics of the administration's Iraq and anti-terrorism policies of trying to appease "a new type of fascism." (Full story)

White House aides and outside Republican strategists said the new description is an attempt to more clearly identify the ideology that motivates many organized terrorist groups, representing a shift in emphasis from the general to the specific.

"I think it's an appropriate definition of the war that we're in," said GOP pollster Ed Goeas. "I think it's effective in that it definitively defines the enemy in a way that we can't because they're not in uniforms."

The right term?
But Muslim groups have cried foul. Bush's use of the phrase "contributes to a rising level of hostility to Islam and the American-Muslim community," complained Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Conservative commentators have long talked about "Islamo-fascism," and Bush's phrase was a slightly toned-down variation on that theme.

Dennis Ross, a Mideast adviser to both the first Bush and Clinton administrations and now the director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said he would have chosen different words.

"The `war on terror' has always been a misnomer, because terrorism is an instrument, it's not an ideology. So I would always have preferred it to be called the `war with radical Islam,' not with Islam but with `radical Islam,"' Ross said.

Why even mention the religion? "Because that's who they are," Ross said. "Fascism had a certain definition. Whether they meet this or not, one thing is clear: They're radical. They represent a completely radical and intolerant interpretation of Islam."

While "fascism" once referred to the rigid nationalistic one-party dictatorship first instituted in Italy, it has "been used very loosely in all kinds of ways for a long time," said Wayne Fields, a specialist in presidential rhetoric at Washington University in St. Louis.

"Typically, the Bush administration finds its vocabulary someplace in the middle ground of popular culture. It seems to me that they're trying to find something that resonates, without any effort to really define what they mean," Fields said.

Memories of World War II:

Pollster Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, said the "fascist" label may evoke comparisons to World War II and remind Americans of the lack of personal freedoms in fundamentalist countries. "But this could only affect public opinion on the margins," he said.

"Having called these people `evildoers,' fascism is just a new wrinkle," he said.

The tactic recalled the first President Bush's 1990 likening of Iraq's Saddam Hussein to Adolf Hitler.

"I caught hell on this comparison of Saddam to Hitler, with critics accusing me of personalizing the crisis, but I still feel it was an appropriate one," the elder Bush later wrote in a memoir.

It was one of the few times the younger Bush has followed his father's path on Iraq.

Charles Black, a longtime GOP consultant with close ties to both the first Bush administration and the current White House, said branding Islamic extremists as fascists is apt.

"It helps dramatize what we're up against. They are not just some ragtag terrorists. They are people with a plan to take over the world and eliminate everybody except them," Black said.

Stephen J. Wayne, a professor of government at Georgetown University, suggested White House strategists "probably had a focus group and they found the word `fascist.'

"Most people are against fascists of whatever form. By definition, fascists are bad. If you're going to demonize, you might as well use the toughest words you can," Wayne said.

After all, the hard-line Iranian newspaper Jomhuri Eskami did just that in an editorial last week blasting Bush's "Islamic fascism" phrase. It called Bush a "21st century Hitler" and British Prime Minister Tony Blair a "21st century Mussolini."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 10:15 am
Definitions of Fascism
Definitions of Fascism on the Web:

"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/terms.html

The name comes from the Latin fasces - a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, which was the symbol of authority in ancient Rome. The term was applied by Mussolini to his movement after his rise to power in 1922. The Fascists were viciously anti-Communist and anti- liberal and, once in power, relied on an authoritarian state apparatus. They also used emotive slogans and old prejudices (for example, against the Jews) to bolster the leader's strongman appeal. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.
www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Curriculum/Witness_And_Legacy_-_Teacher_R/Glossary__Teacher_Resource_Boo/glossary__teacher_resource_boo.html

a totalitarian political system led by a single dictator who allows no opposition, promoting an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/

A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm

A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts the nation above the individual; characterized by a centralized government and headed by a dictatorial leader.
library.thinkquest.org/13915/gather/glossary.htm

Political philosophy that became predominant in Italy and then Germany during the 1920s and 1930s; attacked weakness of democracy, corruption of capitalism; promised vigorous foreign and military programs; undertook state control of economy to reduce social friction. (p. 870)
occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/medialib/glossary/gloss_F.html

A political movement that reforms.
students.ithsnyc.org/flor2550/globalvoc1.html

a term used particularly to describe the nationalistic and totalitarian regimes of Benito Mussolini (Italy, 1922-45), Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1933-45) and Francisco Franco (Spain, 1939-75).
media.pearsoncmg.com/intl/ema/uk/0131217666/student/0131217666_glo.html

An extreme form of nationalism that played on fears of communism and rejected individual freedom, liberal individualism, democracy, and limitations on the state.
www.comune.venezia.it/atlante/documents/glossary/nelson_glossary.htm

a political system in which all power of government is vested in a person or group with no other power to balance and limit the activities of the government. Fascist governments are often closely associated with large corporations and sometimes with extreme nationalism and racist activities. Modern fascism is often called "CORPORATISM".
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Fascism (in Italian, fascismo), capitalized, was the authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Similar political movements spread across Europe between World War One and World War Two and took several forms such as Nazism and Clerical fascism. Neofascism is generally used to describe post-WWII movements seen to have fascist attributes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a book edited by Roger Griffin. It is a reader, in the Oxford Readers series, which assembles the writings of various authors on the topic of Fascism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(book)

Before and during World War II, many individuals and groups openly described themselves as Fascist. The term is relatively uncontroversial when applied to individuals such as Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and their direct supporters, and to states such as Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(epithet)
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 10:17 am
Re: Definitions of Fascism
Is there a difference in fascism in tribal societies and integrated societies? ---BBB

Definitions of Fascism on the Web:

"A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)
www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/terms.html

The name comes from the Latin fasces - a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, which was the symbol of authority in ancient Rome. The term was applied by Mussolini to his movement after his rise to power in 1922. The Fascists were viciously anti-Communist and anti- liberal and, once in power, relied on an authoritarian state apparatus. They also used emotive slogans and old prejudices (for example, against the Jews) to bolster the leader's strongman appeal. ...
www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/browse/glossary.html

A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.
www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Curriculum/Witness_And_Legacy_-_Teacher_R/Glossary__Teacher_Resource_Boo/glossary__teacher_resource_boo.html

a totalitarian political system led by a single dictator who allows no opposition, promoting an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/

A system of government that promotes extreme nationalism, repression, anticommunism, and is ruled by a dictator.
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm

A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts the nation above the individual; characterized by a centralized government and headed by a dictatorial leader.
library.thinkquest.org/13915/gather/glossary.htm

Political philosophy that became predominant in Italy and then Germany during the 1920s and 1930s; attacked weakness of democracy, corruption of capitalism; promised vigorous foreign and military programs; undertook state control of economy to reduce social friction. (p. 870)
occawlonline.pearsoned.com/bookbind/pubbooks/stearns_awl/medialib/glossary/gloss_F.html

A political movement that reforms.
students.ithsnyc.org/flor2550/globalvoc1.html

a term used particularly to describe the nationalistic and totalitarian regimes of Benito Mussolini (Italy, 1922-45), Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1933-45) and Francisco Franco (Spain, 1939-75).
media.pearsoncmg.com/intl/ema/uk/0131217666/student/0131217666_glo.html

An extreme form of nationalism that played on fears of communism and rejected individual freedom, liberal individualism, democracy, and limitations on the state.
www.comune.venezia.it/atlante/documents/glossary/nelson_glossary.htm

a political system in which all power of government is vested in a person or group with no other power to balance and limit the activities of the government. Fascist governments are often closely associated with large corporations and sometimes with extreme nationalism and racist activities. Modern fascism is often called "CORPORATISM".
www.naiadonline.ca/book/01Glossary.htm

a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Fascism (in Italian, fascismo), capitalized, was the authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Similar political movements spread across Europe between World War One and World War Two and took several forms such as Nazism and Clerical fascism. Neofascism is generally used to describe post-WWII movements seen to have fascist attributes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is a book edited by Roger Griffin. It is a reader, in the Oxford Readers series, which assembles the writings of various authors on the topic of Fascism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(book)

Before and during World War II, many individuals and groups openly described themselves as Fascist. The term is relatively uncontroversial when applied to individuals such as Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and their direct supporters, and to states such as Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(epithet)[/quote]
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 10:25 am
Facism is not well understood and is often used as a charge against those with whom the speaker disagrees. Perhaps, bush has taken to using the word facism because charges of facism have been levelled against the neo-cons, the ruling members of the republican party, et al., for some time now.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 11:11 am
Visit Set's thread on Propagandistic Rhetoric for similar discussion re: use/misuse of "fascist" label.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 11:28 am
plainoldme wrote:
Facism is not well understood and is often used as a charge against those with whom the speaker disagrees. Perhaps, bush has taken to using the word facism because charges of facism have been levelled against the neo-cons, the ruling members of the republican party, et al., for some time now.


So now that facism has been pointed at a group of people that the libs like it is no longer an accepted word? It has been thrown around this site like jello in a food fight and no one has said a thing till now. Funny how that works doesn't it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 11:31 am
No, it doesn't work that way, and the only thing funny here is your attempt to express yourself in the English language.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 11:33 am
Set
Setanta wrote:
No, it doesn't work that way, and the only thing funny here is your attempt to express yourself in the English language.


Drat! I missed studying fascist language when I was in school.

BBB
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 11:44 am
Setanta wrote:
No, it doesn't work that way, and the only thing funny here is your attempt to express yourself in the English language.


Try harder your not quite getting personal or insulting enough. Given your slant I'm sure you can do better. Your lack of a real response shows you don't have the balls to speak like a man. You try to insult me like a 3rd grader.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 02:10 pm
Baldimo wrote:

So now that facism has been pointed at a group of people that the libs like it is no longer an accepted word? It has been thrown around this site like jello in a food fight and no one has said a thing till now. Funny how that works doesn't it.


....and you call Set out on his lack of a real response?
It is funny how that works....ya know, the hypocrisy thing.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 05:15 pm
Re: The new GOP buzzword: Fascism
Quote:
"The `war on terror' has always been a misnomer, because terrorism is an instrument, it's not an ideology. So I would always have preferred it to be called the `war with radical Islam,' not with Islam but with `radical Islam,"' Ross said.

Why even mention the religion? "Because that's who they are," Ross said. "Fascism had a certain definition. Whether they meet this or not, one thing is clear: They're radical. They represent a completely radical and intolerant interpretation of Islam."

Or, in other words, they're not fascists.

Ross is right in one respect: fascism certainly had a definition, or at least was capable of definition. Now, however, it is just a term of opprobrium to be hurled against one's political opponents. It means absolutely nothing except when used in its historical context -- and even then it usually means nothing.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 05:46 pm
Baldimo wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
Facism is not well understood and is often used as a charge against those with whom the speaker disagrees. Perhaps, bush has taken to using the word facism because charges of facism have been levelled against the neo-cons, the ruling members of the republican party, et al., for some time now.


So now that facism has been pointed at a group of people that the libs like it is no longer an accepted word? It has been thrown around this site like jello in a food fight and no one has said a thing till now. Funny how that works doesn't it.


Huh?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 05:50 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
No, it doesn't work that way, and the only thing funny here is your attempt to express yourself in the English language.


Try harder your not quite getting personal or insulting enough. Given your slant I'm sure you can do better. Your lack of a real response shows you don't have the balls to speak like a man. You try to insult me like a 3rd grader.


Wow! It is interesting that you used "3rd grader" in your charge against Setanta here because your original comment was written on the third grade level. Whatever your meaning was, it was lost in your jumble of words.

As for your suggestion that he lacks balls, what a silly thing to say.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 30 Aug, 2006 06:13 pm
Plain
PlainOldMe, Setants has such huge balls, they clack when he walks.

BBB
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 11:21 am
plainoldme wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
No, it doesn't work that way, and the only thing funny here is your attempt to express yourself in the English language.


Try harder your not quite getting personal or insulting enough. Given your slant I'm sure you can do better. Your lack of a real response shows you don't have the balls to speak like a man. You try to insult me like a 3rd grader.


Wow! It is interesting that you used "3rd grader" in your charge against Setanta here because your original comment was written on the third grade level. Whatever your meaning was, it was lost in your jumble of words.

As for your suggestion that he lacks balls, what a silly thing to say.


What I said in the first post was forward and to the point. Bush and many of his ilk and been called fascists on this board and in many different places for the last several years. Many posts have been created here that say as much. Now the fascists phrase has been pointed at those that are not Christians or Jews but are instead Muslim. Muslims have fallen under the protection of the liberals and now the meaning of fascists is being questioned.

My point to Set was to actually say something instead of pulling a none comment. Instead of responding he is backed by others who once again don't say anything. Keep trying people your lack of real responses is encouraging.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 12:57 pm
That's intresting. i hadn't thought of it like that Baldimo. You are quite correct in that Fascism and Fascist has been used rather extensively on these boards in regards to President Bush, his administration and those that support him. I don't recall ever hearing the defense then that the word has been getting lately now that the term is being applied as it should be.

Good pick up!
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 01:21 pm
From "The American Heritage Dictionary" online at Source

Quote:

NOUN: 1. often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.


I often like to use the word fascism in the sense of meaning #2.

BTW, as for fascism, I'm against it, and think that all good people should be in favor of anyone's struggle against it.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 01:24 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Muslims have fallen under the protection of the liberals and now the meaning of fascists is being questioned.


The use of the term "fascist" hasn't just now been questioned. There are many past threads in which critics (from both the left and the right) of things ranging from the Bush administration to socialism have attempted to apply the term thereto, and other posters have pointed out the ineptness of the term's application thereof.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12340

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23160

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42339

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=52550

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64068

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64344

Joefromchicago stands out as a poster opposed to such use of the term.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 01:29 pm
Here's a critique from Setanta:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64810
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 31 Aug, 2006 05:55 pm
Baldimo wrote:


What I said in the first post was forward and to the point. Bush and many of his ilk and been called fascists on this board and in many different places for the last several years. Many posts have been created here that say as much. Now the fascists phrase has been pointed at those that are not Christians or Jews but are instead Muslim. Muslims have fallen under the protection of the liberals and now the meaning of fascists is being questioned.

My point to Set was to actually say something instead of pulling a none comment. Instead of responding he is backed by others who once again don't say anything. Keep trying people your lack of real responses is encouraging.


Muslims have not "fallen under the protection of the liberals," whatever that oddly constructed phrase means.

Nor is the meaning of fascists (sic) being questioned.

As for someone responding in a flip manner, just remember, this is a conversation and not a debate.
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