seibentage
 
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 07:54 pm
so i had another poem written but my computer decided to die on me and i lost it so im working on another one for ya
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 08:43 pm
singing ghosts from ago
coming back and not willing to let go
of the life that was taken away.
The time of declaration day
but yet his spot is bare
and everyones head held down is dispair
the flag drapped across
and people pray to the cross
the metal is handed to his wife
and that is supposed to makes up for the life
he sits in the corner waiting
gravitating
to the people he once loved
waiting to be taken from above
he cried into his hands
but he does not understand
why he was taken
hoping God was mistaken
and give him back
to the things that he now lacks
he sings a sad song
of the things that has gone wrong
the metal his wife holds
does not unflold
his story of the war
and what happend to make him long for
the things he cant not aquire
but only can admire
for his life has come and gone
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Reply Fri 13 Oct, 2006 08:50 pm
thanks endy...i love to write poetry and i had quit until latley and this whole subject is making me rethink of why i quit...this is a really inspring subject to write about ty

Jenny
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sat 14 Oct, 2006 07:23 pm
Thank YOU Jenny, for adding your voice

solidarity
and peace

Endy
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seibentage
 
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 04:11 pm
longing for the time
when the sun did shine
were the bombs and crashes
don't make the streets be full of ashes
of people who someone had known
who was just another clone
as the emperor stands tall
while his soldiers fall
others wanting the peace
and some sweet release
from the horrors of their lives
while on thier back he drives
into the darkness and chance
not stopping for a second glance
but yet they are just faces
and by God's sweet grace's
they will find thier place
in His embrace.
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:09 pm
************************************************

"It is a lot worse than people know back home. Politics f****** politics. It is a massive cover-up really, to not get the real truth."
(British soldier quoted in Mail on Sunday)

General Dannat has the weight of the British troops behind him.


Poll showing huge support for Gen Dannatt's comments within the forces - taken from ARSE (British Army Rumour Service)



Sir Richard Dannatt is...


absolutely right
78%
78% [ 285 ]
right only from military point of view
13%
13% [ 48 ]
only partially right
2%
2% [ 9 ]
he is rather wrong
1%
1% [ 4 ]
he made a serious mistake
0%
0% [ 2 ]
he is absolutely wrong
0%
0% [ 2 ]
he had to resign first before making such a statement
3%
3% [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 362

Want to know what the British troops have to say?
- check out the link.

"Good on him. Stand by for incoming"

"I'm overjoyed that someone in a senior position has finally had the moral fortitude to forget the spin, forget the politics and just stand up and speak the truth"

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=48836.html
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Reply Sun 15 Oct, 2006 07:12 pm
seibentage wrote:
longing for the time
when the sun did shine
were the bombs and crashes
don't make the streets be full of ashes
of people who someone had known
who was just another clone
as the emperor stands tall
while his soldiers fall
others wanting the peace
and some sweet release
from the horrors of their lives
while on thier back he drives
into the darkness and chance
not stopping for a second glance
but yet they are just faces
and by God's sweet grace's
they will find thier place
in His embrace.


powerful stuff
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seibentage
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 06:43 pm
yeah...i have a bunch of my family over seas and a cousin of mine had to be sent back home because of a recent bombing in Iraq that landed him in ICU in Germany and now back in San Antonio, so i have really stong feelings about the whole war thing
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:29 pm
Thanks for sharing that Jenny
I hope your cousin is doing okay - and that the rest of your family stay safe and come home soon.

I'm not a religious man - but I do pray (to the Universe or something)
for an end to the suffering of so many.

Thanks for the company

Peace,
Endy
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:39 pm
Here in Britain - the veil argument has reached crazy heights (I can't help thinking its a decoy)

This is the most sensible writing I've seen on the subject this week:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Columnist/columnists/2006/03/21/MadeleineBunting_128x256.gif

Jack Straw has unleashed a storm of prejudice and intensified division

Singling out women who wear the niqab as an obstacle to the social integration of Muslims is absurd and dangerous

Madeleine Bunting
Monday October 9, 2006
The Guardian

It's been quite extraordinary: one man's emotional response to the niqab - the Muslim veil that covers all but the eyes - has snowballed into a perceived titanic clash of cultures in which commentators pompously pronounce on how Muslims are "rejecting the values of liberal democracy".

Jack Straw feels uncomfortable and within a matter of hours, his discomfort is calibrated on news bulletins and websites in terms of an inquisitorial demand: do Muslims in this country want to integrate? How does Straw's "I feel ..." spin so rapidly into such grandstanding?

Article continues
The confusions and sleights of hand are legion, and it's hard to know where to start to unpick this holy mess. Let's begin with its holiness, because this is an element which has been absent from the furore. There are two distinct patterns of niqab-wearing in this country. One group wears the niqab by cultural tradition. Often they are relatively recent migrants, from Somalia or Yemen for example, and for the record it is not a "symbol of oppression" but a symbol of status.

The second group comprises the small but slightly increasing number of younger women who wear it as a sign of their intense piety. This latter prompted the memory of being taken as a child by my mother to visit the Poor Clares' convent in York. We gave alms to these impoverished women who had chosen complete segregation from the world as part of their strict spiritual discipline; we talked to the gentle, warm mother superior through the bars of a grille that symbolised their retreat from the world. No one accused these nuns of "rejecting the values of liberal democracy" - yet they were co-religionists of the IRA terrorists of their time.

The point is that within all religious traditions there are trends emphasising the corrupting influences of the world and how one must keep them at a distance. Catholicism and the celibate monastic tradition of Buddhism interpret this in one way. Salafi Islam interprets it in modes of dress and behaviour in public places. Since when has secular Britain become so intolerant that it can't accommodate (no one is asking them to like) these small minorities of puritanical piety?

But the bigger part of the muddle is why Straw felt entitled to privilege his emotional response without questioning it more deeply. Does it not occur to men opining on their sense of "rejection" at the niqab that it could be equally prompted by separatist lesbians? Or on another even more obvious tack: how comfortable does the woman wearing the niqab feel coming to visit her MP ensconced in his cultural context, at ease with enormous power and authority? Comfort is a disastrous new measure for interactions in a diverse society. I've got a long list of discomforts. Does that licence me to make demands of others? I find talking to blind people difficult because I rely on eye contact. Similarly, dark glasses are problematic. And, to my shame, I often give up on conversations with people hard of hearing because I over-rely on chat to kindle warmth.

So forget comfort and accept the starting point for any kind of tolerance: that it's not easy, that it requires imagination, that it makes demands of us. Learn new forms of communication and your world expands.

This debate about the niqab is the flipside of another, parallel debate (led by women) about the over-sexualisation of another subset of women who dress very provocatively (no men complaining here). One of the impulses for women who choose to take the niqab is how highly sexualised public space in this country has become. How do you signal your rejection - even repulsion - at what you regard as near-pornography blazoned over billboards?

A point worth pondering is that a minority of young women are so repulsed by the offer of femininity in Britain - rapidly rising alcohol abuse, soaring sexually transmitted diseases - that they have sought such a drastic option as the niqab.

And here's the most damaging aspect of Straw's self-indulgent intervention: the niqab is a drastic option and one that many Muslim women reject. It is the response of a minority who feel that they are living in a hostile climate. Straw's comments have unleashed a storm of prejudice that only exacerbates the very tendencies which prompt some Muslims to retreat. They undermine efforts within the Muslim community to build more self-confidence, to encourage tightly knit communities to reach out. They have elevated the situation of a tiny minority of women who are often the most fearful anyway into a national problem - even that they form a barrier to successful integration.

This is dangerous and absurd. There are many far more important barriers to successful integration. Two-thirds of children from families of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin are growing up in poverty. More than 20% of all Muslim youths between 16 and 24 are unemployed. In many areas, the desire of second generation Muslims to integrate is being stymied by "white flight" from residential areas and white families using parental choice in education to avoid schools with large numbers of Asian pupils. Outgoing, confident ethnic communities are built where they find understanding, opportunity and engagement. We need to ask ourselves whether that is what we have provided.

Straw's comments on the niqab escalated into an utterly false implication that Muslims don't really want to integrate. Television reports ran over pictures of monocultural playgrounds. Ted Cantle's identification of "parallel lives" in his report on the Bradford riots of 2001 has morphed into a problem that is being laid entirely at the door of a small minority that is impoverished and marginalised. This is ugly.

And there is another, equally ugly, agenda here. Many Muslims were surprised at Straw's comments - including close political Muslim allies - given his long relationship with the community in his constituency. There has been speculation on his political ambitions. But the point that intrigues me is how Straw is elevating this question as one of primary national concern. In an article on Tony Crosland in the New Statesman last month, Straw cited the Labour thinker's belief that class was the great divide in society, and added that, now, "religion" was the great divide.

Obviously, Straw meant Islam. No one is too worried about a shrinking number of Anglicans or Catholics. It's a magnificent convenience for New Labour to let the divides of class slip from view as they prove intractable and social mobility grinds to a halt. In its place, a divide is drawn between a Muslim minority and the vast majority of non-Muslims. It resonates - as the public response to Straw testifies - but it is profoundly mistaken.

The job of a political leader at this historical juncture is to prod our complacencies and prejudices, to open our eyes to recognising how much we have in common; how much of Islam we non-Muslims can appreciate and admire. How much Islam can contribute to the far greater problems we all face. We shouldn't be hounding those nervous or pious women in their niqabs. Their choice of clothing is as irrelevant as that of Goths. Beware, said Freud wisely, of the narcissism of small differences.
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:48 pm
Quote:
ENDYMION
Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006
Thanks for sharing that Jenny
I hope your cousin is doing okay - and that the rest of your family stay safe and come home soon.

I'm not a religious man - but I do pray (to the Universe or something)
for an end to the suffering of so many.

Thanks for the company



Thank you. For the support

Im in great company with you.
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seibentage
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 08:52 pm
your a great writter i have been going back and reading your other stuff on the other threads i just wanted to tell you i admire your work
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Endymion
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 05:20 pm
You know, i don't get that much feedback on my poetry (only viewers of these a2k threads get to read any of it)
and I often wonder if this is a sign of disapproval - or heaven forbid, a sign of boredom!
So, thanks Jenny.

If you've read back through some of my other stuff, then you probably realise that i am not always such 'good company.'
Every now and then i go on a drunken rant - if you happen to read a post like that - take no notice - i get over it eventually.

I confess that I'm not too good at handling compliments - so i'll shut up now.
Just wanted you to know - you've restored some faith.

Keep posting your poetry, won't you?



Peace,
Endy
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 05:33 pm
The journalist Molly Irvin says: You want to know where to get the strength, courage and optimism to keep fighting for change? Listen to Granny D at www.grannyd.com.

So I did:


Doris "Granny D" Hadddock, 96, lives in the woods between Dublin and Peterborough, New Hampshire, made famous as "Our Town" by Thornton Wilder. She was born January 24, 1910 in Laconia, New Hampshire. She attended Emerson College for 3 years before marrying James Haddock. She was awarded an honorary degree from the college in 2000. Haddock worked and raised her family during the Great Depression, and later worked in a shoe factory in Manchester for twenty years.

With her husband, Jim, she helped stop the planned use of hydrogen bombs in Alaska in 1960, saving an Inuit fishing village at Point Hope. The couple retired to Dublin, NH in 1972, where Doris served on the Planning Board and was active in community affairs. She nursed Jim through 10 years of Alzheimer's disease.

After the defeat of Senator McCain and Senator Feingold's first attempt to remove unregulated "soft" money from campaigns in 1995, Mrs. Haddock became interested in campaign reform and led a petition movement. On January 1, 1999, at the age of 89, she began a 3,200-mile walk across the country to demonstrate her concern for the issue, walking ten miles each day for fourteen months and making speeches along the way. She walked through over 1,000 miles of deserts and climed the Appalachian Range in blizzard conditions. She skied the last 100 miles into Washington, D.C. when a historic snowfall made roadside walking impossible. When she arrived in D.C., Granny D was met by 2,200 people, representing a wide variety of reform groups. Several dozen Members of Congress walked the final miles with her.

It took two more years to gain passage of the bills, during which she engaged in walking fasts around the Capitol, organized rallies in many states, and held demonstrations that twice landed her in the DC jail. She helped connect the AARP and other important groups to the cause, generating a flood of calls to Congress.

In 2003 and 2004, she embarked on a 23,000 mile tour of the "swing states," encouraging women and the residents of poor neighborhoods to register to vote. She walked through housing projects considered too dangerous to visit by many, and registering voters all along her way.

In the spring of 1994, at the age of 94, when no Democrat would run against popular U.S Senator Judd Gregg in her home state of New Hampshire, she announced for the seat, with the idea that she would use the campaign to speak out against the Bush policies. Even through she was the official Democratic Party nominee for the seat, she refused all special interest PAC contributions, walking the neighborhoods of the state to talk to people directly. When the red state of New Hampshire turned blue in 2004 presidential vote by a mere 9,000 votes, her campaign was given a share of the credit.

Her memoir is entitied, "Granny D: You're Never Too Old to Raise a Little Hell" (Random House).


http://grannyd.com/Grannie_D__010%20copy.jpg

"Never be discouraged from being an activist because people tell you that you'll not succeed. You have already succeeded if you're out there representing truth or justice or compassion or fairness or love. You already have your victory because you have changed the world; you have changed the status quo by you; you have changed the chemistry of things, and changes will spread from you, will be easier to happen again in others because of you, because, believe it or not, you are the center of the world.

There is a second thing you need to know about impossible causes and it is this: there are no impossible causes on this earth if they are good causes."


***************************************************

No doubt, there are some brave women about. Amazing.

Peace,
Endy
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 07:19 pm
Quote:
ENDYMION
Enthusiast



Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:20 pm Post: 2321451 -

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You know, i don't get that much feedback on my poetry (only viewers of these a2k threads get to read any of it)
and I often wonder if this is a sign of disapproval - or heaven forbid, a sign of boredom!
So, thanks Jenny.

If you've read back through some of my other stuff, then you probably realise that i am not always such 'good company.'
Every now and then i go on a drunken rant - if you happen to read a post like that - take no notice - i get over it eventually.

I confess that I'm not too good at handling compliments - so i'll shut up now.
Just wanted you to know - you've restored some faith.

Keep posting your poetry, won't you?




Well i think your great company. and i am glad i can restore faith in some one at least....

and i will keep postin as soon as i get new poems


Jenny
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2006 09:48 am
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/martin_rowson/2006/10/09/rowsonveil512.jpg



Veil of Disguise

Evil in the house
A grinning fool
Counting the dead
Like markers
In a gambling hall
Stacking up crimes
Weighing up lives
Nobody wins
No one survives
Evil in the house
At number ten
Spitting out lies
Of corruption
To ignorant men
Racking the poor
Cheating the blind
A million lost souls
Left behind
Evil in the house
A fascist dictator
Answering only
To his ego maker
Stoking up fires
Sharpening knives
Peddling death
Behind his disguise
Evil in the house
A true terrorist
Dealing fear
With a pious
Flick of the wrist
Pointing the finger
Laying the blame
Holding up the Bible
To hide his shame
Evil in the house
But not for much longer
The tide has turned
In the storm
And the waves are getting stronger


Endymion 2006
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2006 05:17 pm
lol i love the cartoon Very Happy


i love the poem also

jenny
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2006 07:04 pm
thanks Jenny - the cartoon's by this dude http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/site_furniture/2005/11/02/rowson_on_128x64.gif
For the Guardian
more of his work here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/martinrowson/archive/0,,1284262,00.html
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2006 08:03 pm
awsome i will check him out
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Reply Wed 18 Oct, 2006 09:55 pm
ENDYMION wrote:

Veil of Disguise

Evil in the house
A grinning fool
Counting the dead
Like markers
In a gambling hall
Stacking up crimes
Weighing up lives
Nobody wins
No one survives
Evil in the house
At number ten
Spitting out lies
Of corruption
To ignorant men
Racking the poor
Cheating the blind
A million lost souls
Left behind
Evil in the house
A fascist dictator
Answering only
To his ego maker
Stoking up fires
Sharpening knives
Peddling death
Behind his disguise
Evil in the house
A true terrorist
Dealing fear
With a pious
Flick of the wrist
Pointing the finger
Laying the blame
Holding up the Bible
To hide his shame
Evil in the house
But not for much longer
The tide has turned
In the storm
And the waves are getting stronger


Endymion 2006[/quote

Yes!!!!
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