Endymion
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 09:32 pm
"What the 21st century will be like depends on whether we learn the lessons of the 20th century
and avoid repeating its worst mistakes"

Mikhail Gorbachev
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:50 am
Endymion wrote:
"What the 21st century will be like depends on whether we learn the lessons of the 20th century
and avoid repeating its worst mistakes"

Mikhail Gorbachev


That was my own cherished hope for the 21st century, too, Endy.

But, you gotta admit, what a shitty start to a brand new century we've had so far!

Things can only improve from here, I guess?
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 11:33 pm
Remember that film 'First Blood'?


I always thought it a shame that the iconic traumatized vet (John Rambo) got turned into a moronic Hollywood promoter of the very thing that was killing him in 'First Blood' - War

Watching First Blood again recently I thought there was a kind of honour in that first film (despite all the OTT action). Honour that died along with the main character as he became a de-sensitized superman in subsequent Rambo films..

I'm sure there are a lot of people who can relate to the fate of John Rambo. It's complex - and i haven't got the vocab to explain properly what I mean - but it's like, Rambo was vulnerable and the bastards with the money took him and twisted him and turned him into their own idol. They made him into something they believed in. They got him to fight their side for them. They made him a brutal hero.

All these years, he's been going out there doing their thing - totally caught up in their lie. He believed what they told him and he relished in it.

I don't know about you - but I've been waiting for 'Rambo' to see the light.
I've been waiting for him to go, "Errr....hang on a minute - what am I doing here? What am I doing to myself? Most importantly, what have i done to that poor bastard, John Rambo?"



First look: 'Rambo' is on a mission in Burma

By Anthony Breznican, USA TODAY

Rambo has become a nihilist.

Sylvester Stallone's Green Beret, who started as a tragic representation of Vietnam veteran neglect in the original film and morphed into a superhero soldier by the third, is back for a fourth outing.

This one plunges John Rambo into the gun sights of the brutal military dictatorship of Myanmar, the Southeast Asian nation formerly known as Burma, where in real life the ruling junta recently received international condemnation for its violent suppression of a pro-democracy uprising led by Buddhist monks.

The movie's story, which borrows from tales of real-life atrocities but is otherwise fictional, involves Rambo reluctantly helping missionaries traverse the wilderness of the Salween River on their way to deliver supplies to camps of war-ravaged refugees.

Rambo has spent the past two decades living in the region as a hermit, one who has shed patriotism, lost his faith and given up on humanity.

"He realizes his entire existence has been for naught," Stallone says.

"Peace is an accident, war is natural. Old men start it, young men fight it, everybody in the middle dies, and nobody tells the truth. He says, 'You think God's going to make it all go away? What has he done and changed in the world? He has done nothing. We are an aggressive animal and will never be at peace.' That's how he feels."

When he encounters the human-rights workers, they "somehow touch the last remaining nerve in Rambo's body," Stallone says.

Rambo seeks to rehabilitate the tortured soldier's tale that even Stallone acknowledges strayed too far into fantasy when Rambo III came out in 1988.

Stallone, 61, says he let fame get to his head with some of those previous sequels and didn't maintain the heart that made the originals iconic.

"When you're a kind of nondescript, unknown, inconsequential actor and all of a sudden you're famous, it's very easy to lose touch there," Stallone says.

"You keep pushing the envelope, but there is a limit, and the audience retreats."

http://i.usatoday.net/life/_photos/2007/11/15/rambox.jpg

Okay, so Rambo in Burma sounds like it could be a recipe for another humiliation - but maybe not.
I hope that in this film, he manages to connect in some way to the First Blood Rambo of long ago. If he can redeem himself, the bastards who brainwashed and manipulated John Rambo into becoming a nihilist, will have lost.



http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare7/firstblood2/first_blood_pic1.jpg

Award winning First Blood (1982) Directed by Ted Kotcheff
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 11:47 pm
Landmine marathon
By Iman Azzi in Beirut

http://english.aljazeera.net/mritems/images/2007/11/18/1_233468_1_9.jpg

When Armin Kohli arrives at the banks of the Dead Sea in Jordan this week, he will have cycled 4,800km on a tour that began in Geneva, Switzerland, in the hope of raising awareness of the dangers of landmines.

Kohli, who has dedicated four years to raising awareness, has cycled through 14 countries in 48 days. It is no small feat, particularly for Kohli, who is a double amputee.

Provided with artificial limbs after losing both legs in a train accident when he was 15, the 41-year-old Swiss cyclist hopes to revive what he says is declining media attention to the continuing fatalities caused by anti-personnel weapons ahead of the eighth annual meeting of state parties signed to the Ottawa Convention against landmines.

This year's convention is to be held in Jordan on November 18.

Kohli told Al Jazeera: "The issue of landmines is not so controversial like female suicide bombers, but the reality is that most of the victims of landmines are children and civilians."

According to the latest landmine monitor report from the International Campaign to Ban Landmines (ICBL), released last week, nearly 30 per cent of the 5,751 victims of landmines in 2006 were children.
Three-quarters of all victims were civilians.

Trekking through minefields

Since the beginning of October, Kohli has cycled an average 120km a day - resting on every seventh day. He has had no companions along for the ride, apart from two associates that drive ahead and help with logistics.

"Cycling is extreme and really mental. I have spent hours training [for] the mental part," he said.

Kohli's route took him from Switzerland to the Balkans, where Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian forces resorted to the use of landmines during the civil war between 1993 and 1996.

Nearly 10 years after a UN-sponsored peace settlement in the disputed region, most landmine fields have yet to be cleared.

From there, Kohli crossed the Greek-Turkish border, where civilians from both sides recounted stories of losing loved ones to landmines.

In southern Lebanon, victims of cluster bombs and landmines told Kohli of their continuing struggle to clear what were battlefields, where many farmers and school children cross on their way to market or schools.

In 2006, the Israeli air force dropped at least four million cluster bombs over the south of the country, a quarter of which failed to detonate on impact.

Dalya Farran, spokesperson for the UN Mine Action Coordination Center in South Lebanon, told Al Jazeera that since the August 14, 2006 ceasefire, "212 civilians have been injured - 25 fatally - from cluster bombs and landmines".

Last month, a six-year-old shepherd and a British de-mining supervisor were killed when they stepped on cluster bombs.

The immediate work to locate and destroy cluster bombs - which are not covered by the Ottawa Convention - has halted UN efforts to clear at least 375,000 landmines leftover from the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon between 1992 and 2000.

"It's important to think before you use a weapon. Target your enemy, don't target your own people."

But Jordan, Kohli's final destination, has made significant progress in locating and removing landmines which have dotted the border with Israel since 1967.

In 2006, Jordan successfully cleared 50,000 Israeli-laid landmines in the south of the country.

According to the website of the National Committee for Demining and Rehabilitation (NCDR), "based on military estimates, there were roughly 305,000 mines laid on Jordanian territory. Of this number, 73,000 were Israeli and 232,000 were Jordanian".

"Between 1993 and 2006, more than 125,000 landmines have been removed."
Israel and Jordan signed a peace treaty in 1994.

Seeking worldwide bans

Currently, 155 countries have signed the Ottawa Convention - officially titled The Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction - but many countries in the Middle East have not.

The US, the United Kingdom, Russia and China have also not signed the pact.

While Kohli said he knows a one-man tour will not change government policies overnight, he hopes to contribute to the "moral pressures" facing non-signatories.

Major countries, he said, are no longer producing landmines in bulk and trade has decreased significantly.

But some of the largest users of landmines are armed movements such as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (Farc), the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or the Kurdistan Workers' party (PKK) in Turkey.

Kohli said: "I'm not a judge. Liberation movements have their goals but there are other weapons. It's important to think before you use a weapon. Target your enemy, don't target your own people."

Not a charity

Receiving funding and support from the Swiss government and the Swiss Campaign to Ban Landmines as well as smaller donors, Kohli says he will continue cycling and pushing the issue but does not want to be seen as charity.

"I'm not a charity campaign. I want to struggle in a political way. My solidarity is with the landmine victims," he told Al Jazeera.

For Kohli, who spent nearly two years learning to walk again with prosthetic limbs, cutting production of landmines is not enough.

"Being disabled does not mean [landmine victims] cannot a have a normal life, they just need to recieve proper assistance. Governments must reach out to the victims and support them."
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 01:20 am
British military in Iraq reports dramatic drop in violence

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Violence in Iraq's Basra province has dropped by 90 percent since British troops moved their base outside the provincial capital, according to British military authorities.

British forces withdrew from the center of the province's Basra city to an airport base in early September.

"Most of the violence was being perpetuated against British forces. Once we repositioned to the contingency operating base at the airport, we were no longer a target, so the level of overall violence dropped by 90 percent," Lt. Col. Derek Plews, spokesman for Maj. Gen. Graham Binns, told CNN on Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/16/iraq.main/index.html?iref=newssearch
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 05:55 am
Those Rambo type films are but idle compensatory fantasies, where we won a war we actually lost. I enjoyed First Blood, but had no desire to watch any of the sequels.
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 10:35 pm
Well you certainly haven't missed anything there, Edgar


Happy Thanksgiving all who celebrate it, btw

Peace

Endy
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 04:28 am

Vietnam vet adds politics to poetry
45-minute reading brought audience to laughter and to tears

Jacque Wilson

He waved people to the front of the room, joking about having taken a shower just that afternoon. He tested out his microphone with football referee calls and plays. Then he moved over 70 students to silence with his words.

Dr. William D. Ehrhart gave his poetry reading, titled "The Politics of Poetry in an Age of Terror," in the Art and Journalism building on Monday night. Introduced by his friend, BSU professor Dr. Tony Edmonds, as "the father of what I would call Vietnam poetry," Ehrhart passionately read for more than 45 minutes. Poetry topics ranged from childhood experience to his wife to the Vietnam War.

Many of Ehrhart's poems are focused on his wife and daughter. After reading a poem titled "Winter Bells" about his wife Annie, Ehrhart said, "I think Annie was God's way of making up to me."

Other serious poems included "Gorilla War" and a poem about the Bogeyman. He compared himself in the latter to the childhood monster, which he believes are analogous to American soldiers in the minds of Vietnamese children. Ehrhart read a piece comparing the "bloodless" Kosovo War to Columbine - "The president said violence was not the answer the same week he started bombing Belgrade." The audience was not the only one moved. Tears reddened Ehrhart's eyes and his voice choked after a particularly personal poem.

"Sometimes I get through it and sometimes I don't," he said.

Another poem titled "Sound Advice" read, "You should have learned something growing up, but instead you volunteered." Ehrhart volunteered to join the Marines right out of high school and was in Vietnam for 13 months. The information he gets from his experience there is what gives him such a reputation for being a Vietnam poet.

During one of his poems, a student leaned forward in her chair, eyes closed, hand lightly at her neck. Laife Janovyak thought that Ehrhart's presentation was amazing.

"It was incredibly brave at this time in our history for him to come and speak so candidly," she said.

But not all of his poetry is serious. Ehrhart had students laughing after an anecdote about a love poem he wrote to his wife.

"You have no idea how often poetry has gotten me out of big trouble," he said.

The most controversial part of his "Politics of Poetry" presentation came in the question-and-answer session after the reading. Self-proclaimed as neither a Republican nor a Democrat, Ehrhart is extremely anti-war.

"I shot a 10-year-old kid. I shot an old lady. I shot an old man with his hands tied behind his back... I just got to be like, 'How did this happen?'"

Ehrhart watched two male ROTC students walk out of the room a quarter of the way into the answer session. He called to the second student and wished them both "good luck" and meant it. When a female student thanked him for all he had done in courage he replied, "I feel I'm serving my country more tonight than I ever did in uniform." Through his words, Ehrhart spreads the message that war is not justifiable in any sense. He feels that the kids in the armed forces are not to blame, but that the people in charge are.

"Your government will lie to you whenever it suits their interest... I can't wait for the kids in Iraq to come back. I have a feeling we'll have another whole generation of angry people."

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W.D. Ehrhart, a Vietnam veteran, has written many poems that reflect not only the sadness and brutal reality of war, but also the post-traumatic stress that accompanies such experiences. While many adults have never experienced war, Ehrhart is able to give a brief glimpse of his experiences and how they affected his life after the war had ended. Ehrhart's poems bring to light the cruelty and hatred that is involved in war and his graphic language captivates his audience so that they are awed by the sorrow he has experienced. His poetry also is filled with moral dilemma as he tries to understand whether or not war is an acceptable means to bring peace, and appears to end with the conclusion that war is unjust.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/438344/moral_dilemmas_in_wd_ehrharts_vietnam.html



The Last Time I Dreamed
About the War



Ruth and I were sitting in the kitchen
ten years after Vietnam. She was six-feet-two
and carried every inch of it with style,
didn't care a fig that I was seven
inches shorter. "You've got seven inches
where it counts," she'd laugh, then lift her chin
and smile as if the sun had just come out.

But she didn't want to hear about the war.
I heard the sound of breaking glass
coming from my bedroom, went to look:
VC rats were jumping through the window.
They looked like rats, but they were Viet Cong.
Don't ask me how I knew. You don't forget
what tried to kill you.

I tried to tell her, but she wouldn't listen.
"Now look, Ruth," I said so loud the woman
sleeping next to me woke up and did
what Ruthie in my dream refused to do:
she listened to me call the name
of someone she had never heard of,
anger in my voice, my body hard.

The woman I was sleeping with
would be my wife, but wasn't yet. I was
still a stranger with a stranger's secrets
and a tattoo on my arm. She'd never known a man
who'd fought in Vietnam, put naked women
on the wall, smoked marijuana, drank gin straight.
And here I was in bed with her,
calling someone else's name in anger.

She wanted to run, she told me later,
but she didn't. She married me instead.
Don't ask me why. I only know
you never know what's going to save you
and I've never dreamed again about the war.

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Making the Children Behave

Do they think of me now
in those strange Asian villages
where nothing ever seemed
quite human
but myself
and a few grim friends
moving through them
hunched in lines?

When they tell stories to their children
of the evil
that awaits misbehavior
is it me they conjure?


From "The Awkward Silence and Other Poems" by
W. D. Ehrhart
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Endymion
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 09:16 am
Congratulations to Australia

Howard Gone

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/australasia/article3194066.ece


New PM promises to withdraw from Iraq, sign Kyoto climate protocol and transform nation

Very Happy

Hope so
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 04:47 am
Endymion wrote:
Congratulations to Australia

Howard Gone


On behalf of Australia I accept your congratulations, Endy! :wink:

It is SO good to see the last of that mongrel government! Very Happy
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 08:25 am
Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006. Her blog is Flashback.

http://www.flashbackhome.com/

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120 War Vets Commit Suicide Each Week

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted November 26, 2007.


Earlier this year, using the clout that only major broadcast networks seem capable of mustering, CBS News contacted the governments of all 50 states requesting their official records of death by suicide going back 12 years. They heard back from 45 of the 50. From the mountains of gathered information, they sifted out the suicides of those Americans who had served in the armed forces. What they discovered is that in 2005 alone -- and remember, this is just in 45 states -- there were at least 6,256 veteran suicides, 120 every week for a year and an average of 17 every day.

As the widow of a Vietnam vet who killed himself after coming home, and as the author of a book for which I interviewed dozens of other women who had also lost husbands (or sons or fathers) to PTSD and suicide in the aftermath of the war in Vietnam, I am deeply grateful to CBS for undertaking this long overdue investigation. I am also heartbroken that the numbers are so astonishingly high and tentatively optimistic that perhaps now that there are hard numbers to attest to the magnitude of the problem, it will finally be taken seriously. I say tentatively because this is an administration that melts hard numbers on their tongues like communion wafers.

Since these new wars began, and in spite of a continuous flood of alarming reports, the Department of Defense has managed to keep what has clearly become an epidemic of death beneath the radar of public awareness by systematically concealing statistics about soldier suicides. They have done everything from burying them on official casualty lists in a category they call "accidental noncombat deaths" to outright lying to the parents of dead soldiers. And the Department of Veterans Affairs has rubber-stamped their disinformation, continuing to insist that their studies indicate that soldiers are killing themselves, not because of their combat experiences, but because they have "personal problems."

Active-duty soldiers, however, are only part of the story. One of the well-known characteristics of post-traumatic stress injuries is that the onset of symptoms is often delayed, sometimes for decades. Veterans of World War II, Korea and Vietnam are still taking their own lives because new PTSD symptoms have been triggered, or old ones retriggered, by stories and images from these new wars. Their deaths, like the deaths of more recent veterans, are written up in hometown newspapers; they are locally mourned, but officially ignored. The VA doesn't track or count them. It never has. Both the VA and the Pentagon deny that the problem exists and sanctimoniously point to a lack of evidence they have refused to gather.

They have managed this smoke and mirrors trick for decades in large part because suicide makes people so uncomfortable. It has often been called "that most secret death" because no one wants to talk about it. Over time, in different parts of the world, attitudes have fluctuated between the belief that the act is a sin, a right, a crime, a romantic gesture, an act of consummate bravery or a symptom of mental illness. It has never, however, been an emotionally neutral issue. In the United States, the rationalism of our legal system has acknowledged for 300 years that the act is almost always symptomatic of a mental illness. For those same 300 years, organized religions have stubbornly maintained that it's a sin. In fact, the very worst sin. The one that is never forgiven because it's too late to say you're sorry.

The contradiction between religious doctrine and secular law has left suicide in some kind of nether space in which the fundamentals of our systems of justice and belief are disrupted. A terrible crime has been committed, a murder, and yet there can be no restitution, no punishment. As sin or as mental illness, the origins of suicide live in the mind, illusive, invisible, associated with the mysterious, the secretive and the undisciplined, a kind of omnipresent Orange Alert. Beware the abnormal. Beware the Other.

For years now, this administration has been blasting us with high-decibel, righteous posturing about suicide bombers, those subhuman dastards who do the unthinkable, using their own bodies as lethal weapons. "Those people, they aren't like us; they don't value life the way we do," runs the familiar xenophobic subtext: And sometimes the text isn't even sub-: "Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women, and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, in Washington and Pennsylvania," proclaimed W, glibly conflating Sept. 11, the invasion of Iraq, Islam, fanatic fundamentalism and human bombs.

Bush has also expressed the opinion that suicide bombers are motivated by despair, neglect and poverty. The demographic statistics on suicide bombers suggest that this isn't the necessarily the case. Most of the Sept. 11 terrorists came from comfortable middle- to upper-middle-class families and were well-educated. Ironically, despair, neglect and poverty may be far more significant factors in the deaths of American soldiers and veterans who are taking their own lives.

Consider the 25 percent of enlistees and the 50 percent of reservists who have come back from the war with serious mental health issues. Despair seems an entirely appropriate response to the realization that the nightmares and flashbacks may never go away, that your ability to function in society and to manage relationships, work schedules or crowds will never be reliable. How not to despair if your prognosis is: Suck it up, soldier. This may never stop!

Neglect? The VA's current backlog is 800,000 cases. Aside from the appalling conditions in many VA hospitals, in 2004, the last year for which statistics are available, almost 6 million veterans and their families were without any healthcare at all. Most of them are working people -- too poor to afford private coverage, but not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or means-tested VA care. Soldiers and veterans need help now, the help isn't there, and the conversations about what needs to be done are only just now beginning.

Poverty? The symptoms of post-traumatic stress injuries or traumatic brain injuries often make getting and keeping a job an insurmountable challenge. The New York Times reported last week that though veterans make up only 11 percent of the adult population, they make up 26 percent of the homeless. If that doesn't translate into despair, neglect and poverty, well, I'm not sure the distinction is one worth quibbling about.

There is a particularly terrible irony in the relationship between suicide bombers and the suicides of American soldiers and veterans. With the possible exception of some few sadists and psychopaths, Americans don't enlist in the military because they want to kill civilians. And they don't sign up with the expectation of killing themselves. How incredibly sad that so many end up dying of remorse for having performed acts that so disturb their sense of moral selfhood that they sentence themselves to death.

There is something so smugly superior in the way we talk about suicide bombers and the cultures that produce them. But here is an unsettling thought. In 2005, 6,256 American veterans took their own lives. That same year, there were about 130 documented deaths of suicide bombers in Iraq.* Do the math. That's a ratio of 50-to-1. So who is it that is most effectively creating a culture of suicide and martyrdom? If George Bush is right, that it is despair, neglect and poverty that drive people to such acts, then isn't it worth pointing out that we are doing a far better job?

*I say "about" because in the aftermath of a suicide bombing, it is often very difficult for observers to determine how many individual bodies have been blown to pieces.
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 06:44 pm
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2281664/2/istockphoto_2281664_modern_american_subdivision.jpg

Insulated

And what's been wrought in our names
to heat our three thousand square foot dreams?
And how will we stay sane
when we are faced with what remains?
When all the bodies have grown cold
When all the lies have been retold
When we must finally face the fact
that we can see and yes, we know
that human flesh has burned and beating
hearts have bled
so we'll stay safe and warm-
obese- not just well-fed
And dream our sweet American dreams
in soft American king-sized beds
while dark-eyed children scream
and dream of food and homes and beds.

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/03/iraqui_child.jpg

inspired by: The last to die for our mistake (by: Bruce Springsteen)
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 05:03 am
Rebecca - thanks for posting. With all the outrage over the treatment of troops at the moment -
it's too easy to forget about the cost to civilians. Your poem is so heart-felt.
I know it isn't easy to confront the reality like that.

respect,
Endy
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 05:07 am
Film News

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/wp-content/photos/1123_01.jpgSICKO WINS!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 05:12 am
Endy-I was wondering if that little boy is still alive. I wonder if the photographers who take these pictures ever keep up with their subjects (I know it'd be difficult and probably pretty nigh on impossible, but I know the guy who took the picture of the girl in afghanistan who had those striking green eyes went back years later and took a picture of her as an adult woman- so it can be done). I know I'll never forget this little boy's eyes.

I love Phil Donahue- always, always have...even with all the caricatures people have done of him through the years...thanks for posting this- I hadn't heard about it. I'll definitely see this.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 11:26 pm
http://www.glumbert.com/media/emberofrage

Endy, whats up bro!
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 11:30 pm
And this to

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rollins
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 09:28 am
aidan wrote:
I wonder if the photographers who take these pictures ever keep up with their subjects


http://la.indymedia.org may be able to tell you at least the date/location.
If you think you might want to know more about the boy's fate
in the future, I guess it would be good to contact them now - while they
may still have that information at hand.

I'd be interested to know what results you get (if any).

Good luck with it if you try
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Endymion
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 09:51 am
Amigo -

thanks for the links

You still playing those drums?

UK Shed Session Josh "Mr Drums" and Pauli Stan McK "The PSM"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xUx9rBCiyW4

(early hours of the morning, bangin drums in millmead estate london)

Take it easy, brother
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 03:11 am

IoS Appeal: Veteran British Army officers are leading the fight to restore Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley


It was once the most dangerous region in Afghanistan, where the Russians and the Taliban both feared to tread. Now, a hardy band of veteran British Army officers is leading the fight to restore health and prosperity to the impoverished Panjshir Valley. Raymond Whitaker reports on The Independent on Sunday's Christmas charity appeal

http://news.independent.co.uk/appeals/ios_appeal/article3211111.ece

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Want to donate to a charity helping Iraqi civilians this Christmas?
Here is a worthy charity with good accountability

http://www.directrelief.org/WhereWeWork/Countries/Iraq/Iraq.aspx

Home page

http://www.directrelief.org/

http://www.directrelief.org/images/logo_main.gif
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