Revolution

I read that one a couple of nights ago...although it did get me thinking another way, I didn't know 'exactly' how to respond to it...
but it does require a hell of courage to have faith in such beliefs....

"May the power be with all...."

Have a nice weekend

Regards
Naima

Ha!

I was pissed when i posted that and I tried to delete it - but i could only delete the even more piss-poor post i'd written after it

guess i don't get off the hook that easy.

Yeah well, that thing i wrote about revenge - i feel it is the only way to be if we want to create a worthwhile society - but there's a part of me that also wants justice - and in a lot of cases, i don't know what justice would be.

I heard that people were calling for George Bush to be executed (Americans)
the other day.

I hate that man - but i think they're wrong

Hope you have a good weekend too, Naima

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Endymion wrote:


the other night i wrote something about revenge (concerning child abusers) and it was a really profound experience (which took 3 hours)
i posted it up in response to people calling for revenge here

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2873212#2873212

It was very painful to write and i don't know - but the response is so typical (apart from Francis - thanks Francis) no one says a f*cking word - to either agree or disagree. It's just BLANK

That got me down on top of other **** this week


I have not been following that thread, because it hurts me to read all the revenge notions posted there. I agree that the first objective is to make our children safe; to give to them an environment in which they can thrive and grow into sane adults. The ones who rape children need to be removed from society. If it be necessary, never to return. But, to extract the sort of revenge we read about; that's wrong.

I'm very glad to hear you say that, Edgar

I couldn't help noting on that thread that mostly everyone against revenge is from Europe or Australia - and almost everyone calling for revenge is from America.

There must be a reason why more Americans 'believe' in revenge.
I think the guy calling for car thieves to be sodomized was the last straw (since then i haven't bothered reading the thread either)

UPDATE

Hope Wanes Among Protesters in Myanmar

(09-29) 23:52 PDT YANGON, Myanmar (AP) --

Thousands of soldiers and police were deployed in Myanmar's largest cities Sunday, keeping even the most die-hard protesters off the streets, and more arrests were reported, further demoralizing dissidents desperate for democracy.

(Burma conflict: background information (BBC) (msolga's thread)

http://www.able2know.org/forums/about104283-10.html

A Question of Honour

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article2469088.ece

G'day, Endy.
Still reading.
Grim times, hey?

Too true

I like your new thread, Olga - please give my regards to Walter

Peace,
Endy

I didn't want to clog up this thread, Endy, with all that background material. Some of it I was researching to improve my own undertstanding of the situation in Burma. Couldn't think of any other thread to post it to.

Am I missing something about Walter? Some reason why it's not possible for you to send him your regards, personally? (I read a bit of that thread & thought it best to stay out. (!) Besides, others were arguing the "anti-revenge" argument very well, anyway.

yeah, that thread is over

As for Walter - You are right - i should PM him myself. But I wont.
I'm sure he'll be relieved to hear that!

But I know i should - I've been doing a lot of research on WWI (and also a bit on WWII).
It has been quite an eye-opener.

I think i've been surprised at how much respect i've gained for 'Jerry' camped out there in the trenches. (considering that I was brought up to see it otherwise) I've heard some incredible stories - the battle of Langemark being one that really got to me.

I know it's stupid, but even though i'd like to talk to Walter (and other Germans) about WWI - i find it difficult - honestly- to talk to anyone... even you. : )

I've been reading your thread (I think it was a great idea) on which Walter has been contributing and then when someone made a racist comment which affected him, I suppose I felt some solidarity, or something. I wanted to send him my regards - but I'm a recluse, remember?

Sorry if it was the wrong thing to say to you, Olga
I wasn't meaning to treat you like a f*cking messenger or something - you see why I don't like talking to people?

I always end up saying the wrong things - and having to explain myself
so whats the point?

War Criminal

"A lot of people talk about impeaching Mr. Bush,
which should have been done certainly by now,
but impeachment is too good for him.
The man is a war criminal."
-- Michael Moore

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

Telegraph UK
US trains Gulf air forces for war with Iran
By Tim Shipman in Washington

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/wiran130.xml

Bush and Cheney's Private Gestapo
by Tom Degan

http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

Everybody take good care, okay?
Look out for each other

Um, there is a BIG difference between free speech and hate speech.

Hate speech obstructs the right to the "pursuit of happiness" for all. Liberty does have it's limits.

I would think that would be obvious... but I guess not to some.

Absolutely no sense of grievance from me, Endy.
Absolutely no reason to apologize. Really!
And you haven't said the "wrong thing".
BTW I haven't noticed you "always saying the wrong thing." Quite the opposite! What you say makes perfectly good sense to me.
I genuinely thought (in my fleeting perusal of that thread) that I must had missed something. (I am so rushed these days - sometimes I really do miss things.)

So, Endy, please continue posting & we will continue reading!

Cheers,
Olga

Burmese villagers 'trained' for pro-govt demonstrations
By Foreign affairs editor Peter Cave and wires/ABC news online
Posted 5 hours 55 minutes ago /1/10/2007

The huge security presence has largely succeeded in preventing more of last week's protests. (Reuters)

Burma's main city Rangoon remains tense as hundreds of heavily armed troops and police round-up truckloads of villagers from rural districts, apparently to take part in pro-government demonstrations.

At least 1,000 villagers from the township of Tachilek near the Thai border were were loaded onto military vehicles and taken to an army camp in Kengtung around 250 kilometres away.

Relatives were told the people were to be trained to take part in pro-government demonstrations and demonstrations against the monks who have led pro-democracy protests.

The huge security presence has largely succeeded in preventing more of last week's protests which the army responded to with violence, as the Burmese military tightens its grip on Rangoon.

A massive security operation is now smothering the city, making protests almost impossible, a menacing atmosphere in which diplomacy is finally being attempted.

United Nations special envoy Ibrahim Gambari has been to meet Burma's reclusive generals at their new capital, but so far has not seen senior general Than Shwe.

The UN is trying as it has for years to find a mechanism to bridge Burma's profound political divide, but UN sources in Rangoon say the generals appear to be in no mood to compromise.

- ABC/BBC

http://www.abc.com.au/news/stories/2007/10/01/2047933.htm

I think I understand what you're saying here, Rex

But here's the rub...

Roanoke Neo-Nazi Condemns Jena Six: William A. White Posted the Youths' Addresses on a Web Site That Calls for Lynching the Group.
From: The Roanoke Times | Date: 9/21/2007

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1Y1-110585093.html

On his site, Roanoke published contact information for the six youths headlined: "Addresses of Jena 6 N---s; In case anyone wants to deliver justice."

In a second item, White was quoted as saying: "If these n----s are released or acquitted, we will find out where they live and make sure that white activists and white citizens in Louisiana know it ... in order to find someone willing to deliver justice."

Now then - no one in the white house is saying anything about this site
Despite the fact that the families of those boys have had their lives turned up side down and have had to leave their own homes out of fear.

But they jump on moveon.org for criticizing a General ??

I find that highly amusing

Arrests as Faslane protest ends


More than 160 people have been arrested at a protest marking the end of a year of blockades against nuclear submarines at the Faslane naval base on the Clyde.

Organisers Faslane 365 said the Big Blockade was the final event in their non-violent protest at the base, which houses the UK's Trident missiles.

Protesters chained themselves to the fence at the base near Helensburgh, while others blocked the road nearby.

Faslane officials said the protests have had little effect on its work.

Strathclyde Police confirmed that 71 men and 97 women have been arrested so far.

Anti-nuclear demonstrators from around the world have visited the base to join the protest over the past year.

Trident replacement

During the final event, protesters started blockading the gates of the base from early in the morning.

About a dozen protesters blocked the entrance to the main gate by lying on the ground with their arms linked by tubes.

Police used special cutting equipment to free them and then carried the demonstrators away.

Other protesters blocked the A814 to Garelochhead.

Motorists were urged to avoid the area around the base until the protest was over.

MSPs and MEPs also joined the Big Blockade which was backed by Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond.

In March, MPs voted in support of the UK Government's plans to renew the country's nuclear submarine system - an issue reserved to Westminster.

The SNP administration in Scotland oppose any such renewal.

Scottish Green MSPs Robin Harper and Patrick Harvie said they would attend to show opposition to the replacement of Trident.

Mr Harper said: "The use, the threat of use, and the planned replacement of Trident are all illegal.

"We should take a lead in fighting the wars of this century - the war against poverty, injustice and environmental destruction - not spend £25bn on weapons of mass destruction aimed at civilians."

Scottish National Party MSP Sandra White said: "I congratulate all those who have taken part in the Faslane 365 campaign this past year.

"This is the most important event in the Scottish calendar this year because we can no longer afford both morally and financially to have these weapons of mass destruction on our shores."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7020833.stm