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Mon 14 Aug, 2006 04:53 am
The U.S. is a communist country according to the communist manifesto. Here are the 10 planks from the communist manifesto. As you can see each one of these applies to the U.S. today
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank
with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture
Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"
This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
While you pose an interesting thread you have to remember half of the stuff you bring up about the US and its current system is because of the social leaning tendencies of the Democrats. Public School, Social Security and the Federal & State Estate Tax (Death Tax). Republicans have been trying to either change these or do away with them for some time now.
A change in the SS by allowing people to invest a small part of their SS tax.
Allowing parents to receive vouchers and let their children go to different schools with the money they pay into the system.
Death Tax. Allowing families who have a rich relative who dies actually keep the money that was earned instead of having the govt take it.
I'm not for the democratic or republican party. I compare voting for the democrats and republicans to voting for Hitler or voing for Stalin. Neither choice is going to get you what you want. You have to understand that the leadership of both parties is controlled. While they may act like they have seperate agendas they really don't. Their agenda is really to set up a police state and a survailance society to enslave the american people. They're using the threat of terrorism to acomplish this
Here is an exampe of what happens when you give too much power to the government.
Think of the government as fire. If you don't keep it under control it will burn your house down and possibly your whole town. Giving up your rights and freedom to the governmen so that they can protect you or for any other reason is like throwing gasoline and napalm on the fire.
Having a degree of social safety nets does not mean that the United States is run by a communist system of governance. Not even close. Economic Keynesian is MUCH different than communism, to even need to say that out loud shocks me.
Here's one more thing for you to worry about, reaper - just 'cause you're crazy don't mean ain't nobody actually out to getchya. Stay alert, and don't look back - something might be gaining on you.
Yes indeed America is a communist country and that's why I live in New Mexico.
Baldimo wrote:While you pose an interesting thread you have to remember half of the stuff you bring up about the US and its current system is because of the social leaning tendencies of the Democrats. Public School, Social Security and the Federal & State Estate Tax (Death Tax). Republicans have been trying to either change these or do away with them for some time now.
A change in the SS by allowing people to invest a small part of their SS tax.
Allowing parents to receive vouchers and let their children go to different schools with the money they pay into the system.
Death Tax. Allowing families who have a rich relative who dies actually keep the money that was earned instead of having the govt take it.
That's interesting. I always thought of the current Republican administration's paranoia toward dissent, the wiretapping, the dismissal of objective voices within the administration itself, etc., etc., as characteristic of a communist dictatorship. I'm not making an exact comparison, just pointing out a few elements.
Remember, communism and capitalism are economic systems, and not to be confused with types of government.
I said a communist dictatorship, which is a type of government. There is a historical connotation at work here, particularly with a reference to Stalin already made.
America is a very successful economy with a high standard of living, a productive work force and high literacy rates.
I thought the main argument against Communism was that it didn't work. I heard that Communism failed because it couldn't provide the standard of living or productivity we enjoy.
Can you give me an example of a country that isn't communist that is a better place to live than the USA?
Re: America is a communist country
reaper66 wrote:The U.S. is a communist country according to the communist manifesto. Here are the 10 planks from the communist manifesto. As you can see each one of these applies to the U.S. today
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
Everything you've just said, in each category, is false. For instance, there is property ownership galore in the US. I own a condominium and two cars.
Another thread for the humor section. They are becoming numerous for sure. And Tico, where is your black helicopter? Time to post it again.
ebrown_p wrote:Can you give me an example of a country that isn't communist that is a better place to live than the USA?
Hope you're not implying that the USA is the best place to live in the world, ebrown...
old europe wrote:ebrown_p wrote:Can you give me an example of a country that isn't communist that is a better place to live than the USA?
Hope you're not implying that the USA is the best place to live in the world, ebrown...
Don't worry. I am only saying that the USA is better than any place that
isn't communist.
This is long past the point at which hilarity ought to have ensued. However, let's treat this as though it were a topic worthy of serious discussion. The XIVth Amendment to the Constitution reads, in its entirety:
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Care to explain how any provision of this amendment results in the "abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes?"
ebrown_p wrote:Don't worry. I am only saying that the USA is better than any place that isn't communist.
Okay, I'll bite. I don't know how you would define a
communist country. It's probably hard to find one that fits the description. You might call China or Cuba communist countries. Venezuela? Bolivia? Don't know.
Anyways, if you're saying that the USA is a better place to live in than all the other countries (beyond those few) around the world, I'd say that you (as an American) are suffering from a severe superiority complex. On the other hand, if you would call an essential number of other countries beyond a handful or so "communist", you're a lot more rightwing than you're willing to acknowledge.
I'm betting this is a copy and paste job . . . anyone want to give me odds?
Somebody should have taken that bet. This is not yet an apparently copy and paste job, but it is a bald restatement of
a document written ten years ago.
Now, off to see if i can find the exact text.
Bingo ! ! !
Exact source for this hilarious screed.
So, it's just as well that no one took my bet.
ebrown_p wrote:old europe wrote:ebrown_p wrote:Can you give me an example of a country that isn't communist that is a better place to live than the USA?
Hope you're not implying that the USA is the best place to live in the world, ebrown...
Don't worry. I am only saying that the USA is better than any place that
isn't communist.
Do you need one way plane fare if you are miserable here? I would be glad to oblige.