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Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot

 
 
Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 08:43 am
Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot
by Olivier Knox, Yahoo News
8/10/06

US President George W. Bush seized on a foiled London airline bomb plot to hammer unnamed critics he accused of having all but forgotten the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Weighed down by the unpopular war in Iraq, Bush and his aides have tried to shift the national political debate from that conflict to the broader and more popular global war on terrorism ahead of November 7 congressional elections.

The London conspiracy is "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation," the president said on a day trip to Wisconsin.

"It is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America," he said. "We've taken a lot of measures to protect the American people. But obviously we still aren't completely safe."

His remarks came a day after the White House orchestrated an exceptionally aggressive campaign to tar opposition Democrats as weak on terrorism, knowing what Democrats didn't: News of the plot could soon break.

Vice President Dick Cheney and White House spokesman Tony Snow had argued that Democrats wanted to raise what Snow called "a white flag in the war on terror," citing as evidence the defeat of a three-term Democratic senator who backed the Iraq war in his effort to win renomination.

But Bush aides on Thursday fought the notion that they had exploited their knowledge of the coming British raid to hit Democrats, saying the trigger had been the defeat of Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut by an anti-war political novice.

"The comments were purely and simply a reaction" to Democratic voters who "removed a pro-defense Senator and sent the message that the party would not tolerate candidates with such views," said Snow.

The public relations offensive "was not done in anticipation. It was not said with the knowledge that this was coming," the spokesman said.

Snow said Bush first learned in detail about the plot on Friday, and received two detailed briefings on it on Saturday and Sunday, as well as had two conversations about it with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

But a senior White House official said that the British government had not launched its raid until well after Cheney held a highly unusual conference call with reporters to attack the Democrats as weak against terrorism.

An aide to Lieberman, who would have been one of the first Democrats to hear of the plot because he is the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said the lawmaker first heard of it late Wednesday.

On Wednesday, Cheney had suggested that Democrats believe "that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans and not be actively engaged in this conflict and be safe here at home, which clearly we know we won't, we can't, be," he said.

While some Democrats have opposed some steps in the war on terrorism, and more and more are calling for a withdrawal from Iraq, no major figures in the party have called for a wholesale retreat in the broader conflict.

But Bush's Republicans hoped the raid would yield political gains.

"I'd rather be talking about this than all of the other things that Congress hasn't done well," one Republican congressional aide told AFP on condition of anonymity because of possible reprisals.

"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:20 am
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:24 am
Bush matches all-time low in new poll
19% who voted for Bush will pick Dems in Nov.; Approval in South dips.
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fapnews.myway.com%2Farticle%2F20060811%2FD8JE6HOG0.html
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:34 am
Re: Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Bush seeks political gains from foiled plot
by Olivier Knox, Yahoo News
8/10/06


SAD, SAD, SAD. I guess Democrats see everything, literally everything, as political. They must be so disconnected from reality, that reality has no impact, no meaning, except what it means politically. The subject literally makes me sick at my stomach that so many people think this way, that apparently their political idealogy means more than anything else, more than their fellow citizens, more than their country, more than anything. Sick, sick people indeed.

The truth is Bush does not care about his poll numbers like the Clintons did. What he does care about is convincing the people of this country there is a threat, and his administration is trying to do something about it. Unfortunately, there are some people that simply cannot or will not break free from their political mindset and enter the world of reality.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:38 am
The threat of George Bush is ever as great as the threat from outside forces.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 09:51 am
The politicizing of terrorism by the Bush administration has been stunning on so many levels. And its propoganda so pervasive that the minions who parrot what these morons are telling us is obvious.

This garbage about Bush doing something about terrorism stinks. His invasion of Iraq has done nothing but increase terrorism around the world. His argument that we fight them there so they don't come here is ludicrous based on recent events. It's also disgusting that he would use our troops as "bait" when posing his justification for fighting terrorism "over there."

The propoganda is flying furiously right now. And there should be no surprise as to why. America has lost faith in the current leadership in Washington, and the Lieberman-Lamont race proved that Americans are desperate for a change in course. Primaries and mid-term elections across the country are highly expected to be a vendetta against the status quo. How much the corporate MSM can dupe Americans into believing that the only way to protect America is to leave the corrupt/incompetent Republicans in charge remains to be seen.

Journalism died a long time ago. It has now been replaced by propoganda on a grand scale unlike anything seen in modern times, and America's fears will be endlessly nurtured by those who desperately wish to stay in power.

When Lieberman parrots Cheney, you know something's up:

Joe Lieberman:

"If we just pick up like Ned Lamont wants us to do, get out by a date certain, it will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again."

Dick Cheney



I can't think of a more disgusting example of politicizing our worst fears, rather than addressing the problems substantively and effectively.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:28 am
So the schools and homes of millions of islamists around the world, to teach hatred of Jews and Western Civilization to their children for the last few decades has nothing to do with this? We simply should treat them nice and the problem goes away? Bush is creating the terrorists, yes thats the answer. Its Bush's fault. More liberal logic. An oxymoron for sure. No thanks.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:36 am
The Democratic Party is defining itself as the Party of Appeasement.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:46 am
The Republican party seems to be defining themselves as the party of cluelessness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_el_ge/republicans_ap_poll
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:56 am
Don't any of you think for a moment that if there was an attack in the US again that the Dems wouldn't seize it for political gain. They would say that Bush didn't do enough to fight terrorism and that all Reps should be thrown from office.

It works both ways people. It does stand to reason that the halted attack on more airplanes should be a reminder to all that we are still fighting a war on terrorism. While I don't think any one has forgotten that I think some would have us beleive that it isn't that important of an issue. Dems for the most part are weak on terror and want us to understand the enemy more and fight them less. There is no hug and a kiss to make it all better. They started it and we are going to do are best to end it or even make it a smaller threat to all.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:16 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Don't any of you think for a moment that if there was an attack in the US again that the Dems wouldn't seize it for political gain. They would say that Bush didn't do enough to fight terrorism and that all Reps should be thrown from office.

It works both ways people. It does stand to reason that the halted attack on more airplanes should be a reminder to all that we are still fighting a war on terrorism. While I don't think any one has forgotten that I think some would have us beleive that it isn't that important of an issue. Dems for the most part are weak on terror and want us to understand the enemy more and fight them less. There is no hug and a kiss to make it all better. They started it and we are going to do are best to end it or even make it a smaller threat to all.

The oversimplification from the wingnuts is truly stunning. I guess that explains why Americans trust Democrats more than Republicans right now in fighting terrorism. Must have something to do with invading a country that never attacked us.

Sounds like all those rightwing captains are gonna go down with their sinking ship screaming absurdities and the usual Ken Mehlman parrot points. So be it. It couldn't look worse for Bush and the Republican party right now, and so the latest terrorist threat was rolled out just in the nick of time.

Funny, though, how the intent and methods of the BRITISH terrorists (not Middle Eastern) was discussed months ago, and yet Bush never once uttered a word about it.

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/countdown-airline-insecurity_0001.jpg

Must be that rightwing logic. When they say we're fighting in Iraq so we don't have to fight terrorists here, we still have terrorist threats on our soil and attacks in London, Spain and Aman. When they say we are fighting Islamic-fascists, we are only further dividing this country by alienating our Muslim population who we need in order to fight this ideology. When they yell and scream at the top of their lungs that Democrats are weak on terror, they only need to look at their own poll numbers to realize how full of **** they truly are. When they accuse those like Murtha of cutting and running, they completely miss the point that the anti-war movement is growing and includes a good deal of Republicans as well.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_el_ge/republicans_ap_poll

If there was ever another attack on this country, then the argument that we're fighting them in Iraq so they don't come here becomes completely and utterly moot. Afterall, 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, and terrorism has only increased under Bush's watch. It's not that Bush isn't doing enough to fight terrorism. He has only created MORE terrorism by using America's military might in fighting a murderous ideology which is not state-sponsored and is very difficult to pin entirely on the Muslim community. But the compexities of this conflict we are currently engaged completely eludes the wingnuts out there, and Bush's cronies know it. They therefore must scare Americans into keeping them in power.

Know thy enemy. Every sane military leader will tell you that. To hear the wingnuts accuse Democrats of wanting to understand better what and who we're fighting rather than shoot first and ask questions later (the rightwing approach to everything, be it the Middle East or Florida) only exmplifies their unbelievable shallowness and intellectual dishonesty in this debate.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:35 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Don't any of you think for a moment that if there was an attack in the US again that the Dems wouldn't seize it for political gain. They would say that Bush didn't do enough to fight terrorism and that all Reps should be thrown from office.


The Dems are politicizing this thwarted attack. Harry Reid took the opportunity to take a swipe at Bush: "This latest plot demonstrates the need for the Bush administration and the Congress to change course in Iraq and ensure that we are taking all the steps necessary to protect Americans at home and across the world."

LINK


Bush takes the opportunity to remind Americans we are at war ... Reid takes the opportunity to take a shot at the President for political gain. Was Bush's statement political? Of course, but it also serves to remind us that we are at war, something we ought not forget. Reid's statement was pure politics, nothing else.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:43 pm
okie wrote
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The truth is Bush does not care about his poll numbers like the Clintons did.


Good grief. How on earth could you possibly claim to know this?
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:48 pm
blatham wrote:
okie wrote
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The truth is Bush does not care about his poll numbers like the Clintons did.


Good grief. How on earth could you possibly claim to know this?


Observation and listening to current events, blatham. Remember when Clinton used to do polling to tell him where to go on vacation? Ask Dick Morris.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:49 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Don't any of you think for a moment that if there was an attack in the US again that the Dems wouldn't seize it for political gain. They would say that Bush didn't do enough to fight terrorism and that all Reps should be thrown from office.


The Dems are politicizing this thwarted attack. Harry Reid took the opportunity to take a swipe at Bush: "This latest plot demonstrates the need for the Bush administration and the Congress to change course in Iraq and ensure that we are taking all the steps necessary to protect Americans at home and across the world."

LINK


Bush takes the opportunity to remind Americans we are at war ... Reid takes the opportunity to take a shot at the President for political gain. Was Bush's statement political? Of course, but it also serves to remind us that we are at war, something we ought not forget. Reid's statement was pure politics, nothing else.

As the world is a more dangerous place because of Bush's reckless policies, I see no politiking whatsoever. Invading Iraq was such a HUGE mistake, and therefore I completely agree with Senator Reid.

Reid's statement completely addresses the incompetence of this administration, and Americans know it now. Bush reminds us we are at war everyday because he needs his perpetual war to keep Americans scared and in line.

The truth always hurts to Republicans. That's why they whine so much. Can't wait to see them dumped in November.
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Shellgame
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:01 pm
Where's Osama? Anyone know?

It's been almost five years, and we haven't actually punished the ones responsible for 9/11. Why might that be?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:04 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
As the world is a more dangerous place because of Bush's reckless policies, I see no politiking whatsoever. Invading Iraq was such a HUGE mistake, and therefore I completely agree with Senator Reid.


You agree with him, therefore ... no politiking. Well, I agree with Bush that the latest foiled plot is a stark reminder that we are still at war with terrorism, therefore ... no politiking.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:06 pm
Shellgame wrote:
Where's Osama? Anyone know?

It's been almost five years, and we haven't actually punished the ones responsible for 9/11. Why might that be?


He's dead. The Bush Administration will announce in late October that they have found him hiding out in the mountains in Afghanistan, and killed him, even though he's been in a freezer for a year and a half.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:20 pm
okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
okie wrote
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The truth is Bush does not care about his poll numbers like the Clintons did.


Good grief. How on earth could you possibly claim to know this?


Observation and listening to current events, blatham. Remember when Clinton used to do polling to tell him where to go on vacation? Ask Dick Morris.


Well, even if Dick Morris might be considered a truthful fellow and this 'where to holiday' anecdote factual, what data do you have re this administration with which to make a comparison?
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paull
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 08:59 pm
the canuck said:
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Well, even if Dick Morris might be considered a truthful fellow and this 'where to holiday' anecdote factual, what data do you have re this administration with which to make a comparison?


nitpicking fairy ignorant of the obvious that you are, you may not have been reading newspapers, or the fledgling internet, in the 90's. Bill Clinton did not decide whether to stand up or sit down whilst voiding without the latest poll numbers. Compare that to Bush's distain for the current sentiment and the difference is obvious.

That really is a picture of you, isn't it, Dudley? No one else would find that flattering.
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