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The global battle for ideas cannot be fought with guns

 
 
Brookings
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:48 pm
I understand what an exclamation mark is used for, I also understand that he did not technically use it incorrectly, however, his usage was still awkward. I could have followed that last sentence with an exclamation mark, it would be technically correct, but still inappropriate!!!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:19 pm
I am quite interested in Mr. Brookings' SOLUTIONS!!

What are the SOLUTIONS?

Before World War II, there were groups in the United States who were considered "isolationists". One of the most vocal was the German-American Bund.

Their SOLUTION was that we not involve ourselves in Europe militarily.

Can anyone think that would have been a viable SOLUTION?
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Brookings
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:45 pm
"So, you just let people attack you and murder your citizens, develop nukes or whatever, because they're hard to organize against. What a philosophy! "

Are you even reading what I wrote or does partisanship filter what you read? I SPECIFICALLY acknowledged the importance of the military dimension of this conflict, HOWEVER, I do not see it as the primary means to achieving what I believe we all hope is the proper endgame, that is the long term reduction of the terrorist threat. The military and the political aspects of this conflict cannot be divorced, that is a simple fact. The West will need to resort to crushing terrorist networks when they emerge, yet it also needs to be cautious not to legitimize the propaganda of our enemies and to make clear that the principles in which we are fighting for are preserved.

I understand that there is a fine line here which we need to tread. There is no cookie cutter solution to this problem. Various terrorist networks are different in nature, and need to be dealt with accordingly. Some can be co-opted, using carrots AND sticks, into joining a legitimate political structure. Others will be most effectively dealt with by applying pressure and engaging diplomatically (again carrots and sticks) with state sponsors. Others through the threat, or use of force. In most cases all the above will be needed, though in varying degrees. In all the cases, close cooperation will be necessary with regional allies.

The military will be necessary to crush terrorist networks and disrupt ttheir offensive capabilities, however, those are inherently short term goals when the ideology which fuels such networks flourishes among the polity which spawns it. Issues need to be addressed which compromise our ability to act with the authority necessary to A) work closely with regional allies B)have the moral authority, and credibility, to use force and utilize international support when the situation calls for it (minimizing political opposition from important allies) C) encourage a debate among Arab societies themselves about the virtues of democratic governance D) limit the polarization of volatile societies, resulting in the delegitimization of moderate internal forces, among others. I understand that some of these goals will be unattainable in certain situations, and in other situations military action to prevent an imminent terrorist threat will have a higher priority for Western policy makers. As I said above, there is no cookie cutter solution. Constructive disengagement may be helpful in one situation (getting Syria out of Lebanon) and unhelpful in others (Bush's refusal to engage with Syria at present).

Communism did not collapse primarily by force, neither will political Islam. I dont oppose the use of force, I oppose the spirit of the original poster which places primacy on the military over political dimension of this conflict.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 02:21 pm
I read your admirably phrased comment, Mr. Brookings. If I understand you correctly, you make a place for military action, but do not think it should be the primary means. That is a viable position but I find that the rest of your post is very vague-----so vague that I must go back to military action as the PRIMARY means unless you can explain SPECIFICALLY just how the primary means will work.

What specific non-military steps should be taken?

Do we go through the admirable process in the UN to assure that all of those non-military steps will be taken?

Do we try to use carrots by sending Iran technology to put thier non-threatening nuclear facilities in place so they can utilize those facilities for strictly peaceful means?

Do we give carrots to the Hezbollah by helping them restore the infrastructre in Southern Lebanon if they will SINCERELY PROMISE not to target Israel again?

Do we try to convince Israel to give the Palestinians back all of the land won by the Israelis in the 1967 war if the Palestinians SINCERELY PROMISE never to send suicide bombers or lob Mortars at Isreali villages?

Do we show our good intentions by allowing the Taliban in Afghanistan a large piece of the govenment there at this time if they SINCERLY PROMISE NEVER AGAIN TO BEAT WOMEN IN THE STREETS?

Do we show our good intentions by pulling out of Iraq before the end of the year if the Iranians SINCERELY PROMISE not to utilize thier already muscular influence in Iraq by flooding that country with Iranian Shiite agents?


In short, Mr. Brookings, what is your plan--SPECIFICALLY!!!!!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 04:19 pm
BernardR - the US fought a passionate war of independence against England - compare that relationship to the one the US and the UK share today. Was it possible over night? No. Baby steps, diplomacy, the battle of ideas.

Your comment about Iran's shiite agents in Iraq is disingenuous, the majority of Iraq's population is already shiite, who bear a grudge against sunni's not only because of the catholic/protestant-like rivalry between their faiths, but also because Saddam Hussein was Sunni himself and favoured that section of society over others.

Also Iran had every right to call US the 'Great Satan' in the 1980s, after all the US did topple it's democratically elected government and install the Shah, who was only removed after a popular uprising - and then when Iraq attacked the nascent new state of Iran it did so with American training, aid and weapons. The numbers killed in that war alone would give every Iranian pause before considering the US a force for good.

If the lack of empathy or at least understanding of the 'other' side's position shown by you, MM, Tico et al reflects that of your administration I fear the US will have many more enemies before there is any sort of denouement in the middle east.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 04:23 pm
Mr.Brookings- Are you there?
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Brookings
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 04:55 pm
"read your admirably phrased comment, Mr. Brookings. If I understand you correctly, you make a place for military action, but do not think it should be the primary means. That is a viable position but I find that the rest of your post is very vague-----so vague that I must go back to military action as the PRIMARY means unless you can explain SPECIFICALLY just how the primary means will work.

What specific non-military steps should be taken?"

I take issue with your insistence on describing the solution, as if there is a single broadly defined policy which will achieve our goal. But if you insist I can only say democratization. I will only briefly discuss specific policies, as it is a subject more adequately covered by a book or doctoral thesis. I'll also briefly talk about some on policies which have been adopted to date (for context), the constraints those policies have placed on our ability to achieve our goals (the limits of military power), and some possible policies which can be adopted which I believe will be more effective in the pursuit of a favorible Western endgame.

As is usually the case, such potential political policies are much more intricate, and difficult to explain than military solutions, so readers should note the immediate disadvantage which I am faced with. But, while terseness of argument may be a rhetorical advantage, it is often a result of shallow analytic depth.

I believe, much like the president, that the threat and appeal of terrorist ideologies would be greatly mitigated by the introduction of liberal democratic institutions to Middle Eastern states. But unlike the president, I'm much more critical about the ease and speed in which such a transformation can occur in the region.

The situation which we find ourselves in at this moment is one with considerable constraints, many a result of the militarily oriented policies of this administration.

Bush was both justified and correct in his decision to invade Afghanistan, as it was a nation which was providing both direct and passive support for the organization which killed 3,000 Americans. The United States was aided morally, militarily, and financially by most of the international community. Regional players were met with relatively little internal pressure to resist aiding the United States in its efforts to find and neutralize the Taliban and Al Quada in Afghanistan. The UN supplied peace keepers and a certain degree of international legitimization. (Note: since i know this will come up, it is obviously unreasonable to assume that US interests should be subserviant to UN mandate, however, it is also critical to appreciate the extent in which UN mandate is helpful (or hurtful) to the realization of certain policy goals. It is important for governments to plan accordingly)

However, the war in Iraq has certainly compromised our ability to deal with regional regimes, and much of the international community, on terms which optimize our interests. Various dimensions of the Iraq policy have weakened us internationally, not the least of which was a result of straying so far from the Powell/Scocroft doctrine. Doing so was risky enough, however, doing so without significant international support and an appropriate number of troops to secure quick stability was nothing short of folly. It is a well documented fact that democratic states, short of a visceral threat to that states existence, have a difficult time maintaing popular support for drawn out occupations of hostile foreign land due to the fickleness and inherent political influence provided to their polity. An historical trend which was seemingly brushed under the couch by this administration.

The dubiousness of the rhetoric used by the administration regarding the wars justification prior to the war to our allies(Powell at the UN), has undermined our ability to convincingly argue about the importance of stern reaction to future threats. Combine that with the overwhelming unpopularity of the war. The environment is one which is increasingly difficult for countries which we so desperately rely on for information regarding terrorism (namely the countries in which terrorist organizations operate Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) to cooperate with our intelligence services.

Reliable Intelligence is the most important element to the military dimension in this conflicts operational success. Due to the nature of the United States' current intelligence community (which, unlike in decades past, relies mainly on satellite and electronic surveillance, rather than agents on the ground) is lacking a critical component which needs to be augmented by the proximity to critical areas that foreign intelligence services provide. Promoting policies which make it politically detrimental, (or even fatal) for foreign governments to cooperate with our services does not serve our interests. The war in Iraq has GREATLY hindered our war on terror.

Regardless, we are there now, a reality which I acknowledge and I have no interest in returning to the years old debate. What we need now are enlightened policies which will hopefully result in a better end than the likely outcomes of the present course.

The United States, instead of awarding so many contracts to American and Western companies, needs to start investing in regional companies. With unemployment at the its current rate, it is unsurprising that Iraqi's are disillusioned with the state of affairs. When the jobless rate is at such high levels it greatly contributes to political instability in any society.

The United States' needs to come out with an unequivocal condemnation of torture in all its forms, and reaffirm its commitment to the Geneva Convention regarding the norms of war. Information gained through torture is unreliable and should not be legitimated by its acceptance by the courts Torture should not be permitted by any society, it is important to maintain an international norm against its use.

The UN credibility and impotency problem needs to be addressed. The flaws of the United Nations are numerous, and I hardly need to tell them to the people here. Regardless, the importance of a multilateral institutional mandates is important in establishing legitimacy for most policies. Legitimacy, especially for a policy as inherently idealistic as democracy promotion is essential. Since the fact is that most of the countries in the United Nations are not democratic, and the choice of their representatives is not reflective of public support at home, but that of an entrenched, and many times despotic elite, it is unfair to proclaim that any international action which does not receive a UN mandate is illegitimate (as the many superfluous cases thrown against Israel show). It also contributes to the fact that many fundamentally humanitarian measures are stricken down. The fact that the Sudan has a say on the Human Rights board is inexcusable. The skepticism which many Americans view the UN is entirely justifiable. The creation and consolidation of more international institutions (perhaps like a league of democratic nations) could act as another source of legitimacy and support for policies which are humanitarian in nature and work towards the recognition of universal human rights. This is a controversial proposition, and has many potential downfalls, however, it is one which should receive more attention and analysis of which I am incapable of doing justice.

It is also important to convey the message to our hesitant allies that they have just as much to gain, or lose, in this campaign. Saudi Arabia's lack luster support of US security interests after September 11th quickly changed after Saudi Arabia itself was attacked in 2003. The Saudi's realized that it will ultimately suffer the wrath of the organizations which they had often let tacitly operate on their soil. Saudi Arabia since 2003 as greatly increased its anti-terrorism operations. Though public outrage could potentially boil over.

The disarmament of Libya is another case which a policy of carrots and sticks was effective. Despite what champions of this administration say, the normalization of relations with Libya was not a direct result of the invasion of Iraq., though that may have played some part. Carrots and sticks were used over an extended period of time to scare and lure Libya to accept some limitations on its sovereignty exchange for the gains that acceptance into the international community brought.

Back loaded incentives are important for securing genuine political change in many Middle East societies. Often incentives are given which promise X benefits for Y political reform. Such reform is made, X is given, but within short time political reform Y is devolved. Democratic institutions such as the EU provide back loaded incentives which force countries such as Turkey to initiate internal change on their own in order to gain membership (and its tasty financial incentive). This results in much stabler, self-regulating, nuanced, democratic institutions.

To treat this conflict as if it were of a military nature alone is asinine. To act as the only nonmilitarily oriented solutions there is the reliance on the viscitudes and promises of states (many of the worst in the world none-the-less) is equally so. There are hard nosed, yet constructive political avenues this conflict could, and should take if we want to ensure the safety of the United States, as well as the safety of the international environment for democratic governance.


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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:13 pm
Mr. Brookings- If I may I will react to your post by extracting some key elements, if you don't mind!

First, you say:


I believe, much like the president, that the threat and appeal of terrorist ideologies would be greatly mitigated by the introduction of liberal democratic institutions to Middle Eastern states. But unlike the president, I'm much more critical about the ease and speed in which such a transformation can occur in the region.

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HURRAY, HUZZAH, WONDERFUL, EXACT AND ON POINT.

But, I must tell you that I never read any comment by the President in which he referred to the "ease and speed' with which a transformation can occur in the region"
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Brookings
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:23 pm
"But, I must tell you that I never read any comment by the President in which he referred to the "ease and speed' with which a transformation can occur in the region""

"* Feb. 7, 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

A speech by the secretary of defense is a de facto statement of the political opinions of the administration, and the president.
And while you may protest "that is not a statement about regional democratic transformation" I say that it is undeniably implicit, and to think otherwise is willfull ignorance.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:26 pm
Mr.Brookings then wrote: (very persuasively and with a fine measured hand, if Imay say so)

Bush was both justified and correct in his decision to invade Afghanistan, as it was a nation which was providing both direct and passive support for the organization which killed 3,000 Americans. The United States was aided morally, militarily, and financially by most of the international community. Regional players were met with relatively little internal pressure to resist aiding the United States in its efforts to find and neutralize the Taliban and Al Quada in Afghanistan. The UN supplied peace keepers and a certain degree of international legitimization. (Note: since i know this will come up, it is obviously unreasonable to assume that US interests should be subserviant to UN mandate, however, it is also critical to appreciate the extent in which UN mandate is helpful (or hurtful) to the realization of certain policy goals. It is important for governments to plan accordingly)

However, the war in Iraq has certainly compromised our ability to deal with regional regimes, and much of the international community, on terms which optimize our interests. Various dimensions of the Iraq policy have weakened us internationally, not the least of which was a result of straying so far from the Powell/Scocroft doctrine. Doing so was risky enough, however, doing so without significant international support and an appropriate number of troops to secure quick stability was nothing short of folly. It is a well documented fact that democratic states, short of a visceral threat to that states existence, have a difficult time maintaing popular support for drawn out occupations of hostile foreign land due to the fickleness and inherent political influence provided to their polity. An historical trend which was seemingly brushed under the couch by this administration.

The dubiousness of the rhetoric used by the administration regarding the wars justification prior to the war to our allies(Powell at the UN), has undermined our ability to convincingly argue about the importance of stern reaction to future threats. Combine that with the overwhelming unpopularity of the war. The environment is one which is increasingly difficult for countries which we so desperately rely on for information regarding terrorism (namely the countries in which terrorist organizations operate Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) to cooperate with our intelligence services.
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It may very well be, Mr. Brookings, that the American public may view the recent events at Heathrow Airport as "visceral threats to that states's existence" We shall see if and when the Repblicans maintain control of the House and Senate in view of the current( before Heathrow) public feeling about the Iraq War. It may very well be, as the political pundit, Dick Morris has noted, that the American people place safety as their top requirment and that "Heathrow" has again highlighted the problem to what is sometimes a fickle voting public with a short attention span.

Now, with regard to the War's justification, Mr.Brookings,I hope you will forgive me if I post what I think is a seminal article concerning Iraq with which I have been unable to quarrel. This article, in my mind does not agree with your estimate concerning the "dubiousness of the rhetoric"



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COMMENTARY

December 2005

Who Is Lying About Iraq?

Norman Podhoretz

Among the many distortions, misrepresentations, and outright falsifications that have emerged from the debate over Iraq, one in particular stands out above all others. This is the charge that George W. Bush misled us into an immoral and/or unnecessary war in Iraq by telling a series of lies that have now been definitively exposed.

What makes this charge so special is the amazing success it has enjoyed in getting itself established as a self-evident truth even though it has been refuted and discredited over and over again by evidence and argument alike. In this it resembles nothing so much as those animated cartoon characters who, after being flattened, blown up, or pushed over a cliff, always spring back to life with their bodies perfectly intact. Perhaps, like those cartoon characters, this allegation simply cannot be killed off, no matter what.

Nevertheless, I want to take one more shot at exposing it for the lie that it itself really is. Although doing so will require going over ground that I and many others have covered before, I hope that revisiting this well-trodden terrain may also serve to refresh memories that have grown dim, to clarify thoughts that have grown confused, and to revive outrage that has grown commensurately dulled.




The main "lie" that George W. Bush is accused of telling us is that Saddam Hussein possessed an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, or WMD as they have invariably come to be called. From this followed the subsidiary "lie" that Iraq under Saddam's regime posed a two-edged mortal threat. On the one hand, we were informed, there was a distinct (or even "imminent") possibility that Saddam himself would use these weapons against us and/or our allies; and on the other hand, there was the still more dangerous possibility that he would supply them to terrorists like those who had already attacked us on 9/11 and to whom he was linked.

This entire scenario of purported deceit has been given a new lease on life by the indictment in late October of I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, then chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby stands accused of making false statements to the FBI and of committing perjury in testifying before a grand jury that had been convened to find out who in the Bush administration had "outed" Valerie Plame, a CIA agent married to the retired ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV. The supposed purpose of leaking this classified information to the press was to retaliate against Wilson for having "debunked" (in his words) "the lies that led to war."

Now, as it happens, Libby was not charged with having outed Plame but only with having lied about when and from whom he first learned that she worked for the CIA. Moreover, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who brought the indictment against him, made a point of emphasizing that

[t]his indictment is not about the war. This indictment is not about the propriety of the war. And people who believe fervently in the war effort, people who oppose it, people who have mixed feelings about it should not look to this indictment for any resolution of how they feel or any vindication of how they feel.

This is simply an indictment that says, in a national-security investigation about the compromise of a CIA officer's identity that may have taken place in the context of a very heated debate over the war, whether some person?-a person, Mr. Libby?-lied or not.

No matter. Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate, spoke for a host of other opponents of the war in insisting that

[t]his case is bigger than the leak of classified information. It is about how the Bush White House manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to bolster its case for the war in Iraq and to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the President.

Yet even stipulating?-which I do only for the sake of argument?-that no weapons of mass destruction existed in Iraq in the period leading up to the invasion, it defies all reason to think that Bush was lying when he asserted that they did. To lie means to say something one knows to be false. But it is as close to certainty as we can get that Bush believed in the truth of what he was saying about WMD in Iraq.

How indeed could it have been otherwise? George Tenet, his own CIA director, assured him that the case was "a slam dunk." This phrase would later become notorious, but in using it, Tenet had the backing of all fifteen agencies involved in gathering intelligence for the United States. In the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of 2002, where their collective views were summarized, one of the conclusions offered with "high confidence" was that

Iraq is continuing, and in some areas expanding its chemical, biological, nuclear, and missile programs contrary to UN resolutions.

The intelligence agencies of Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and?-yes?-France all agreed with this judgment. And even Hans Blix?-who headed the UN team of inspectors trying to determine whether Saddam had complied with the demands of the Security Council that he get rid of the weapons of mass destruction he was known to have had in the past?-lent further credibility to the case in a report he issued only a few months before the invasion:

The discovery of a number of 122-mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker, and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. . . . They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.

Blix now claims that he was only being "cautious" here, but if, as he now also adds, the Bush administration "misled itself" in interpreting the evidence before it, he at the very least lent it a helping hand.




So, once again, did the British, the French, and the Germans, all of whom signed on in advance to Secretary of State Colin Powell's reading of the satellite photos he presented to the UN in the period leading up to the invasion. Powell himself and his chief of staff, Lawrence Wilkerson, now feel that this speech was the low point of his tenure as Secretary of State. But Wilkerson (in the process of a vicious attack on the President, the Vice President, and the Secretary of Defense for getting us into Iraq) is forced to acknowledge that the Bush administration did not lack for company in interpreting the available evidence as it did:

I can't tell you why the French, the Germans, the Brits, and us thought that most of the material, if not all of it, that we presented at the UN on 5 February 2003 was the truth. I can't. I've wrestled with it. [But] when you see a satellite photograph of all the signs of the chemical-weapons ASP?-Ammunition Supply Point?-with chemical weapons, and you match all those signs with your matrix on what should show a chemical ASP, and they're there, you have to conclude that it's a chemical ASP, especially when you see the next satellite photograph which shows the UN inspectors wheeling in their white vehicles with black markings on them to that same ASP, and everything is changed, everything is clean. . . . But George [Tenet] was convinced, John McLaughlin [Tenet's deputy] was convinced, that what we were presented [for Powell's UN speech] was accurate.

Going on to shoot down a widespread impression, Wilkerson informs us that even the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) was convinced:

People say, well, INR dissented. That's a bunch of bull. INR dissented that the nuclear program was up and running. That's all INR dissented on. They were right there with the chems and the bios.

In explaining its dissent on Iraq's nuclear program, the INR had, as stated in the NIE of 2002, expressed doubt about

Iraq's efforts to acquire aluminum tubes [which are] central to the argument that Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear-weapons program. . . . INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use as centrifuge rotors . . . in Iraq's nuclear-weapons program.

But, according to Wilkerson,

The French came in in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by God, we did it to this RPM, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments?

In short, and whether or not it included the secret heart of Hans Blix, "the consensus of the intelligence community," as Wilkerson puts it, "was overwhelming" in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq that Saddam definitely had an arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, and that he was also in all probability well on the way to rebuilding the nuclear capability that the Israelis had damaged by bombing the Osirak reactor in 1981.

Additional confirmation of this latter point comes from Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton. "In the late spring of 2002," Pollack has written,

I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did. Three people added that they believed Iraq was also operating a secret calutron plant (a facility for separating uranium isotopes).

No wonder, then, that another conclusion the NIE of 2002 reached with "high confidence" was that

Iraq could make a nuclear weapon in months to a year once it acquires sufficient weapons-grade fissile material.1




But the consensus on which Bush relied was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction program.

Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:

Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.

Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:

He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.

Finally, Clinton's Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained "absolutely convinced" of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.

Nor did leading Democrats in Congress entertain any doubts on this score. A few months after Clinton and his people made the statements I have just quoted, a group of Democratic Senators, including such liberals as Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and John Kerry, urged the President

to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs.

Nancy Pelosi, the future leader of the Democrats in the House, and then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, added her voice to the chorus:

Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.

This Democratic drumbeat continued and even intensified when Bush succeeded Clinton in 2001, and it featured many who would later pretend to have been deceived by the Bush White House. In a letter to the new President, a number of Senators led by Bob Graham declared:

There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical, and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf war status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.

Senator Carl Levin also reaffirmed for Bush's benefit what he had told Clinton some years earlier:

Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton agreed, speaking in October 2002:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.

Senator Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, agreed as well:

There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.

Even more striking were the sentiments of Bush's opponents in his two campaigns for the presidency. Thus Al Gore in September 2002:

We know that [Saddam] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.

And here is Gore again, in that same year:

Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.

Now to John Kerry, also speaking in 2002:

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force?-if necessary?-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.




Perhaps most startling of all, given the rhetoric that they would later employ against Bush after the invasion of Iraq, are statements made by Senators Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, also in 2002:

Kennedy: We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.

Byrd: The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons.2

Liberal politicians like these were seconded by the mainstream media, in whose columns a very different tune would later be sung. For example, throughout the last two years of the Clinton administration, editorials in the New York Times repeatedly insisted that

without further outside intervention, Iraq should be able to rebuild weapons and missile plants within a year [and] future military attacks may be required to diminish the arsenal again.

The Times was also skeptical of negotiations, pointing out that it was

hard to negotiate with a tyrant who has no intention of honoring his commitments and who sees nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons as his country's salvation.

So, too, the Washington Post, which greeted the inauguration of George W. Bush in January 2001 with the admonition that

[o]f all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous?-or more urgent?-than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade's efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons.3




All this should surely suffice to prove far beyond any even unreasonable doubt that Bush was telling what he believed to be the truth about Saddam's stockpile of WMD. It also disposes of the fallback charge that Bush lied by exaggerating or hyping the intelligence presented to him. Why on earth would he have done so when the intelligence itself was so compelling that it convinced everyone who had direct access to it, and when hardly anyone in the world believed that Saddam had, as he claimed, complied with the sixteen resolutions of the Security Council demanding that he get rid of his weapons of mass destruction?

Another fallback charge is that Bush, operating mainly through Cheney, somehow forced the CIA into telling him what he wanted to hear. Yet in its report of 2004, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, while criticizing the CIA for relying on what in hindsight looked like weak or faulty intelligence, stated that it

did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence, or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction capabilities.

The March 2005 report of the equally bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission, which investigated intelligence failures on Iraq, reached the same conclusion, finding

no evidence of political pressure to influence the intelligence community's pre-war assessments of Iraq's weapons programs. . . . [A]nalysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments.

Still, even many who believed that Saddam did possess WMD, and was ruthless enough to use them, accused Bush of telling a different sort of lie by characterizing the risk as "imminent." But this, too, is false: Bush consistently rejected imminence as a justification for war.4 Thus, in the State of the Union address he delivered only three months after 9/11, Bush declared that he would "not wait on events while dangers gather" and that he would "not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer." Then, in a speech at West Point six months later, he reiterated the same point: "If we wait for threats to materialize, we will have waited too long." And as if that were not clear enough, he went out of his way in his State of the Union address in 2003 (that is, three months before the invasion), to bring up the word "imminent" itself precisely in order to repudiate it:

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.

What of the related charge that it was still another "lie" to suggest, as Bush and his people did, that a connection could be traced between Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists who had attacked us on 9/11? This charge was also rejected by the Senate Intelligence Committee. Contrary to how its findings were summarized in the mainstream media, the committee's report explicitly concluded that al Qaeda did in fact have a cooperative, if informal, relationship with Iraqi agents working under Saddam. The report of the bipartisan 9/11 commission came to the same conclusion, as did a comparably independent British investigation conducted by Lord Butler, which pointed to "meetings . . . between senior Iraqi representatives and senior al-Qaeda operatives."5




Which brings us to Joseph C. Wilson, IV and what to my mind wins the palm for the most disgraceful instance of all.

The story begins with the notorious sixteen words inserted?-after, be it noted, much vetting by the CIA and the State Department?-into Bush's 2003 State of the Union address:

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

This is the "lie" Wilson bragged of having "debunked" after being sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to check out the intelligence it had received to that effect. Wilson would later angrily deny that his wife had recommended him for this mission, and would do his best to spread the impression that choosing him had been the Vice President's idea. But Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, through whom Wilson first planted this impression, was eventually forced to admit that "Cheney apparently didn't know that Wilson had been dispatched." (By the time Kristof grudgingly issued this retraction, Wilson himself, in characteristically shameless fashion, was denying that he had ever "said the Vice President sent me or ordered me sent.") And as for his wife's supposed non-role in his mission, here is what Valerie Plame Wilson wrote in a memo to her boss at the CIA:

My husband has good relations with the PM [the prime minister of Niger] and the former minister of mines . . . , both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.

More than a year after his return, with the help of Kristof, and also Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, and then through an op-ed piece in the Times under his own name, Wilson succeeded, probably beyond his wildest dreams, in setting off a political firestorm.

In response, the White House, no doubt hoping to prevent his allegation about the sixteen words from becoming a proxy for the charge that (in Wilson's latest iteration of it) "lies and disinformation [were] used to justify the invasion of Iraq," eventually acknowledged that the President's statement "did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address." As might have been expected, however, this panicky response served to make things worse rather than better. And yet it was totally unnecessary?-for the maddeningly simple reason that every single one of the sixteen words at issue was true.

That is, British intelligence had assured the CIA that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy enriched uranium from the African country of Niger. Furthermore?-and notwithstanding the endlessly repeated assertion that this assurance has now been discredited?-Britain's independent Butler commission concluded that it was "well-founded." The relevant passage is worth quoting at length:

a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.

b. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible.

c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.




As if that were not enough to settle the matter, Wilson himself, far from challenging the British report when he was "debriefed" on his return from Niger (although challenging it is what he now never stops doing<sup><a>6), actually strengthened the CIA's belief in its accuracy. From the Senate Intelligence Committee report:

He [the CIA reports officer] said he judged that the most important fact in the report [by Wilson] was that Niger officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Niger prime minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium.

And again:

The report on [Wilson's] trip to Niger . . . did not change any analysts' assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the uranium deal.

This passage goes on to note that the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research?-which (as we have already seen) did not believe that Saddam Hussein was trying to develop nuclear weapons?-found support in Wilson's report for its "assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq." But if so, this, as the Butler report quoted above points out, would not mean that Iraq had not tried to buy it?-which was the only claim made by British intelligence and then by Bush in the famous sixteen words.

The liar here, then, was not Bush but Wilson. And Wilson also lied when he told the Washington Post that he had unmasked as forgeries certain documents given to American intelligence (by whom it is not yet clear) that supposedly contained additional evidence of Saddam's efforts to buy uranium from Niger. The documents did indeed turn out to be forgeries; but, according to the Butler report,

[t]he forged documents were not available to the British government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine [that assessment].7

More damning yet to Wilson, the Senate Intelligence Committee discovered that he had never laid eyes on the documents in question:

[Wilson] also told committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article . . . which said, "among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because ?'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.'" Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports.

To top all this off, just as Cheney had nothing to do with the choice of Wilson for the mission to Niger, neither was it true that, as Wilson "confirmed" for a credulous New Republic reporter, "the CIA circulated [his] report to the Vice President's office," thereby supposedly proving that Cheney and his staff "knew the Niger story was a flatout lie." Yet?-the mind reels?-if Cheney had actually been briefed on Wilson's oral report to the CIA (which he was not), he would, like the CIA itself, have been more inclined to believe that Saddam had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger.

So much for the author of the best-selling and much acclaimed book whose title alone?-The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity?-has set a new record for chutzpah.




But there is worse. In his press conference on the indictment against Libby, Patrick Fitzgerald insisted that lying to federal investigators is a serious crime both because it is itself against the law and because, by sending them on endless wild-goose chases, it constitutes the even more serious crime of obstruction of justice. By those standards, Wilson?-who has repeatedly made false statements about every aspect of his mission to Niger, including whose idea it was to send him and what he told the CIA upon his return; who was then shown up by the Senate Intelligence Committee as having lied about the forged documents; and whose mendacity has sent the whole country into a wild-goose chase after allegations that, the more they are refuted, the more they keep being repeated?-is himself an excellent candidate for criminal prosecution.

And so long as we are hunting for liars in this area, let me suggest that we begin with the Democrats now proclaiming that they were duped, and that we then broaden out to all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq?-the policy of making the Middle East safe for America by making it safe for democracy?-have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation, and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals.

?-November 7, 2005


NORMAN PODHORETZ is the editor-at-large of COMMENTARY and the author of ten books. The most recent, The Norman Podhoretz Reader, edited by Thomas L. Jeffers, appeared in 2004. His essays on the Bush Doctrine and Iraq, including "World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We Have to Win" (September 2004) and "The War Against World War IV" (February 2005), can be found by clicking here.

1 Hard as it is to believe, let alone to reconcile with his general position, Joseph C. Wilson, IV, in a speech he delivered three months after the invasion at the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, offhandedly made the following remark: "I remain of the view that we will find biological and chemical weapons and we may well find something that indicates that Saddam's regime maintained an interest in nuclear weapons."

2 Fuller versions of these and similar statements can be found at http://www.theconversationcafe.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3134.htmland. Another source is http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php.

3 These and numerous other such quotations were assembled by Robert Kagan in a piece published in the Washington Post on October 25, 2005.

4 Whereas both John Edwards, later to become John Kerry's running mate in 2004, and Jay Rockefeller, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, actually did use the word in describing the threat posed by Saddam.

5 In early November, the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, who last year gave their unanimous assent to its report, were suddenly mounting a last-ditch effort to take it back on this issue (and others). But to judge from the material they had already begun leaking by November 7, when this article was going to press, the newest "Bush lied" case is as empty and dishonest as the one they themselves previously rejected.

6 Here is how he put it in a piece in the Los Angeles Times written in late October of this year to celebrate the indictment of Libby: "I knew that the statement in Bush's speech . . . was not true. I knew it was false from my own investigative trip to Africa. . . . And I knew that the White House knew it."

7 More extensive citations of the relevant passages from the Butler report can be found in postings by Daniel McKivergan at www.worldwidestandard.com. I have also drawn throughout on materials cited by the invaluable Stephen F. Hayes in the Weekly Standard.

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I really aplogize for the length of the above, Mr. Brookings, but it is, in my mind, so well done, that literally none of it can be cut.

Please go on with your interesting analysis!!!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:35 pm
Mr.Brookings wrote:

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"But, I must tell you that I never read any comment by the President in which he referred to the "ease and speed' with which a transformation can occur in the region""

"* Feb. 7, 2003 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, to U.S. troops in Aviano, Italy: "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

A speech by the secretary of defense is a de facto statement of the political opinions of the administration, and the president.
And while you may protest "that is not a statement about regional democratic transformation" I say that it is undeniably implicit, and to think otherwise is willfull ignorance.

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You have a good point Mr. Brookings. I am sure that you realize that the Secretary of Defense may have been quite aware of the political implictions of the statement he could have made--

eg I'm not sure. It is possible it could last for years>

He didn't choose to go that way, obviously!!
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Brookings
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 06:07 pm
I hope you'll understand if I dont make a response to that article at this point, perhaps later. It's quite long and i should get to the gym tonight. Its been an invigorating chat though, cheers.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 15 Aug, 2006 01:22 am
I don't mind waiting for your response, Mr. Brookings. I find your posts higly organized and logical--Much more appealing in terms of doing some real debating and interchanging of ideas in a rational and convivial way.

Cheers to you- sir!!!
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