Montana wrote:dlowan wrote:Montana wrote:Atavistic wrote:Bella Dea wrote:Atavistic wrote:Chivalry is dead......and women killed it.
And how, pray tell, is that?
I have no desire to be chivalrous toward a woman that sleeps around. I have no desire to be chivalrous towards a woman who acts manly. You said yourself, you want to be treated like something special. You have to act like something special to be treated as such. In this gender-neutral society we have become, women have given up their dignity as women, in the name of "equality." Instead of embracing their femininity, they want to compete with men in everything. You can't be "one of the guys' and then expect to be treated like a lady. Chivalry is incompatible with a gender-neutral society.
Sounds like you're saying that you like women who are weak and vulnerable. I was weak and vulnerable many years ago and because of it, I was abused, so I had to give up that part, but I don't sleep around and I don't act like a guy.
I don't compete with men, but am insulted when I'm told something is a mans job.
I've noticed a huge difference in todays generation of women and I have to agree with you that many of the young women of today are doing lots of sleeping around and are not very feminine.
If I was a guy, this would turn me right off, but I don't see it as being the womans fault.
There was a time, years ago when I use to date, when a guy would expect me to have sex with him after taking me to a fancy restaurant and when I declined, I'd never hear from him again, so did you ever think that maybe our young women of today are simply giving men what they want.
This is what a lot of men wanted and now that they have it, they don't like it.
I was just taking with a guy friend at work about this the other day and he was in agreement with me on this.
Chivalry was based on the belief that women WERE weak and vulnerable, and the law and attitudes certainly kept us so.
Chivalry was what a few upper class women got instead of basic human rights...like the right to own property, to say no to sex with their husbands, to have a legal existence under the law (quite a recent invention for women, I assure you) etc etc.
I don't give a fabulous flying **** if chivalry is dead...it was a swindle anyway, though it had some fun aspects, like courtly love....
Courtesy and care between equals is another thing altogether, and I think courtesy is a damn fine thing.
I never looked at it that deeply and was just looking at those fun aspects, like the courtly love.
You know me well enough to know that I believe all men and women are equal and deserve to be treated as such.
I haven't looked at the whole of the thread Montana.
However, I do have strong beliefs about chivalry, both the historic form, and the odd stuff that is talked about as chivalry today.
My belief is that, those women and men who yearn for chivalry are ACTUALLY yearning for the historical form, and women and men who moan about its loss are well advised to undersatnd its true nature.
If you want "chivalry" then you realistically also want few human rights, an aristocracy where aristocratic women get token crap instead of legal rights, and most women get sweet fuckk all, and less than that in spades, and a position of weakness and the grossest legal inferiority for women.
I suspect you just want certain courtesies that, frankly, repel me Montana, without the reality that gave them birth, because you have not understood it. I may well be wrong, though.
That is fine...but I suggest you look at the history of what you desire and think again.
Atavistic represents exactly this...so look well.
I see this obsessive quest for total equality as a type of pathlogical insecurity. Some people just can't stand the fact that people are different. dlowan, I bet you would support scientifically modifying humans to make them all one sex. Or perhaps you would like to make men capable of child-bearing.
