Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

Jesus was in the form of God. What is God's form? Spirit. The devil was also in God's form, spirit. The devil did not want to be only equal with God but above God. To be desired above God. So Jesus instead of letting the spirit go to his head and commit idolatry he took the form of a servant.

This pleased the true God.

Jesus took on the form of a servant but trinitarians are placing him back into the form of God.

Jesus was a servant of God not God himself. When we receive the spirit we can take on the form of God and consider ourselves equal or above God or we can take on the form of a servant.

Jesus was obedient to God.

Philippians 2:4
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

2:6
Who, being in the form of God [spirit], thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Comment:
We have the same "spirit" in us that Christ Jesus (and the devil) had, does that make us God in the flesh? The flesh cannot contain God.

Ro 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

2Sa 22:47
The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Comment:
God is exalted not man.

2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Comment:
This last scripture is referring to the anti-christ NOT Jesus Christ.

Instead of being a servant of God the anti-christ exalts his throne above all that is called God.

Sound familiar? Jesus did not exalt himself. Trinitarians are doing it for him.

One word, IDOLATRY.

Ro 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [created] more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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I have real trouble thinking the bible is devinely inspired, the cannonzation of the bible is one of my biggest problems with christianity. I mean who is to say that the ethopian bible isnt devinly inspired b/c the have added books such as Jubaless. Are the dead sea scrolls not as sacred as the NIV? And when you ask about there being distortions in the bible b/c of translations they shoot right to god. Yet when you say the is distortion in the church the say its b/c anything that contains humans can b/c flawed. How can two arguements for the same thing differ so much?

So if there is a capitalization of WORD, it doesnt mean Jesus, just like the capitalization of Raca, means nothing. And refearing to the Word as a person is just retoric like the ever debated Wisdom. So to make outlandish cliams built on the speculated emphasis of a word isnt logical or sensable.

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Wolf wrote

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What do you mean, by how so? You'll have to elaborate on that. If I remember correctly, Jesus was supposed to have red-hair according to the Torah, but the one that was crucified did not. That is one of the only traits I can remember off the top of my head.
Though now that I think about it, there are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the Gospels, so how on Earth they could come to that conclusion, I have no idea. By the way, how did we get on to this discussion? There's already another topic about Jesus's divinity and physical appearance, so why are we talking about it here in a topic about Jesus' opinion on homosexuality?

wolf I have never read nor heard that Christ is supposed to have red hair etc...if you have a verse pls give it...The old test is clear that the jews would reject the Messiah...well according the to the new test, they did...also there are hundreds of prophecies in the ot that the Messiah must fulfill...in the nt he fulfilled all of there...and yes you can say that the writers of the Ntest and Christ could have lied to appear to have fulfilled these prophecies, But i believe the ntest is Gods word as much as the otest...also i don't know how the topic got to this i just saw y'alls post about wondering on Christ's appearance and that is when i gave that verse and we have proceeded from there Very Happy

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i say its for the best, b/c before it was just Red Rex and light wizard talking back and forth, no offesnce

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Jesus was queer.

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RexRed wrote:

Jesus was queer.

Observe as man creates god in his own image.

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RexRed wrote:

Jesus was queer.

Could not have been true if he perfectly kept the law; and he could not have redeemed us if he did not.

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neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.
Could not have been true if he perfectly kept the law; and he could not have redeemed us if he did not.

The law was ambiguous.

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Doktor S wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.

Observe as man creates god in his own image.

Ge 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Comment: The image of God is male and female?

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You know I am just going for the shock factor. Twisted Evil

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I am only stating what others have thought,

Jesus was a "fisher of men".

His physical beauty (masculinity) is in question.

He is never recorded as healing a homosexual (emphasis by omission).

His is about 30 and not married, "celibate".

He is the focus of a hate crime.

Friend of publicans and sinners.

Betrayed by a kiss.

Shall I go on?

I didn't write the book.

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I really don't mean anything by all of this.

I don't know what Jesus secretly thought in his heart and mind.

I admit that I do not understand this completely. I find such beauty in the Bible but to murder someone because they were born gay or commit gay acts upon another consenting adult is not the standard that I choose to live by. But I do have my reserve. Consider this. Someone goes out and commits adultery. Well they may have the time of their life doing it. But if they should catch a disease then this could very well lead to death. Not only of their own death but possibly the death of a spouse. It could also be transmitted to the whole family if it is that contagious. This is not just a petty sin then this becomes murder. The sprits are not the devil but they are tiny microbes that go into your body and destroy your health.

I do not understand celibacy for the messiah if marriage was such a holy union.

I find that much of this just uncovers the shadows of life.

Such intense love for a father cannot be a healthy thing.

The maleness of God and that he chose a "son" to redeem woman (and men also) all deals with sexism and I wonder that Jesus would have had to have been somewhere "between" the sexes to speak for all.

Yet for him to be without sin is ambiguous. God granted Jesus grace... What would he need grace for if he did not sin? He was born without sin in his blood the Bible says. The word was God but was the law God?

Lu 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Comment:
Sin was what was unclean or caused death prematurely. "Nature" is more a part of us than was once thought. Thorns in the flesh.

I'm rambling again... Rolling Eyes

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RexRed wrote:

neologist wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.
Could not have been true if he perfectly kept the law; and he could not have redeemed us if he did not.

The law was ambiguous.

The law was quite clear about homosexual behavior.

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RexRed wrote:

Doktor S wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.

Observe as man creates god in his own image.

Ge 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Comment: The image of God is male and female?

Are you naive enough to believe God resembles us in physical appearance? We are in his image according to his attributes of love, justice, wisdom, and power (free will, if you prefer)

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neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.

Observe as man creates god in his own image.

Ge 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Comment: The image of God is male and female?
Are you naive enough to believe God resembles us in physical appearance? We are in his image according to his attributes of love, justice, wisdom, and power (free will, if you prefer)

Neo I do believe the image of God is spirit but most people on the surface do not understand that. It is as if this was written to confuse people on purpose. Why use the word "image"?

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neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Jesus was queer.

Observe as man creates god in his own image.

Ge 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Comment: The image of God is male and female?
Are you naive enough to believe God resembles us in physical appearance? We are in his image according to his attributes of love, justice, wisdom, and power (free will, if you prefer)

There is some confusion as to the motives of the law. Were the laws made because of the behavior or because of the disease and death (recompense) associated with the behavior?

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RexRed wrote:

I am only stating what others have thought,

Jesus was a "fisher of men".

No, he wasn't. He was a "Shepherd of Men".

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He is never recorded as healing a homosexual (emphasis by omission).

Wrong. The Gospel of John refers to a time when Jesus healed someone dear to a Centurion. It was the Centurion's pais, which can mean slave or son, but the most common meaning was young slave with whom sexual activity occurs. It was not strange for a Roman to have had sex with a male slave, though I must add that only the rich did this.

The poor were far more Conservative than modern day Fundamentalist Christians.

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I didn't write the book.

No. You don't say! Laughing

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Before Adam and Eve sinned there would have been no need for additional law. The law was established to underscore man's insufficiency and point the way to Jesus.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I am only stating what others have thought,

Jesus was a "fisher of men".

No, he wasn't. He was a "Shepherd of Men".

Quote:
He is never recorded as healing a homosexual (emphasis by omission).

Wrong. The Gospel of John refers to a time when Jesus healed someone dear to a Centurion. It was the Centurion's pais, which can mean slave or son, but the most common meaning was young slave with whom sexual activity occurs. It was not strange for a Roman to have had sex with a male slave, though I must add that only the rich did this.

The poor were far more Conservative than modern day Fundamentalist Christians.

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I didn't write the book.

No. You don't say!

Got a scripture reference for that?

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RexRed wrote:

Got a scripture reference for that?

Oh come now. Haven't you sat through enough sermons to know that people constantly refer to Jesus as a shepherd of men?

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