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we say terrorists kill innocent people...

 
 
xingu
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:39 am
oralloy wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
What the **** are you talking about???

Do you really think dropping a ****' atom bomb in the middle of a city filled with men, women, children, and babies....WAS NOT INTENTIONAL???


The intent of dropping the A-bombs was not to kill civilians.


One wonders just how incredibly stupid conservative apologist can get?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 03:51 pm
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
What the **** are you talking about???

Do you really think dropping a ****' atom bomb in the middle of a city filled with men, women, children, and babies....WAS NOT INTENTIONAL???


The intent of dropping the A-bombs was not to kill civilians.


What was the purpose of the atomic bomb then?


Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.

Directly, the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to destroy Japan's largest military town, and the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 03:52 pm
real life wrote:
I'll even buy pizza for the movers.


Laughing
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EpiNirvana
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:10 pm
oralloy wrote:

Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.

Directly, the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to destroy Japan's largest military town, and the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


So the mass killing of inocence is to make a point. So next time someone disagrees with us we will nuke a small city out of existence?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:25 pm
EpiNirvana wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.

Directly, the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to destroy Japan's largest military town, and the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


So the mass killing of inocence is to make a point. So next time someone disagrees with us we will nuke a small city out of existence?


You must have a different definition of innocence than I do.

I do not regard the tens of thousands of soldiers in Hiroshima's large military districts as innocent. Nor do I regard the people at the military headquarters in charge of the defense of the southern half of the Japanese home islands as innocent. And I do not regard large arms-production complexes as innocent.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:26 pm
oralloy wrote:
the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


Before December 7th, 1941, Pearl Harbor had been regarded as immune to torpedoes, because the water was too shallow for them to operate in.

Japan had to devise entirely new torpedo technology in order to hit Pearl Harbor.

It just so happens that the Mitsubishi Ordnance Works, one of those arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki, was the place that invented, designed, and built those torpedoes.

There's Karma for ya. Very Happy
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najmelliw
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:35 pm
War ethics differ fundamentally from our normal, day to day ethics. Such qualities as civility and mercy are not an issue... It's hard showing compassion to the men you know were intend on killing you and your comrades, after all.
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:43 pm
oralloy wrote:

Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.


And how would "they" scare the Japanese government into surrender?

oralloy wrote:

Directly, the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to destroy Japan's largest military town, and the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


The purpose of the atomic bombs was to DESTROY not only innocent Japanese civilians, but Japanese military structures, Japanese civilian buildings, and anything related to the Japanese…if you don't believe me, I will try to explain it to you slowly.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:52 pm
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.


And how would "they" scare the Japanese government into surrender?


By being incredibly powerful bombs.



Jason Proudmoore wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Directly, the purpose of the Hiroshima bomb was to destroy Japan's largest military town, and the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


The purpose of the atomic bombs was to DESTROY not only innocent Japanese civilians, but Japanese military structures, Japanese civilian buildings, and anything related to the Japanese…if you don't believe me, I will try to explain it to you slowly.


If the purpose was to destroy "anything related to the Japanese" it sure was negligent of the planners to try to target the bombs on concentrations of soldiers and on arms-production complexes.
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 05:07 pm
oralloy wrote:
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
oralloy wrote:

Overall, the purpose was to shock the Japanese government with the huge power of the bomb and thus scare them into surrendering.


And how would "they" scare the Japanese government into surrender?


By being incredibly powerful bombs.


Exactly!
And what does a powerful bomb do? Destroy?

oralloy wrote:

If the purpose was to destroy "anything related to the Japanese" it sure was negligent of the planners to try to target the bombs on concentrations of soldiers and on arms-production complexes.


You seem to not know the concept of war, my mentally ill friend. Do you think that the Japanese would've surrendered if the bombs only hit a couple of buildings? A massive destruction had to take place in order to bring the government to realize that their enemy was more powerful than they. And how many bombs was it dropped in Japanese soil? And why didn't the Japanese government surrender when the first bomb was dropped? Can you answer me that?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 05:14 pm
xingu wrote:
One wonders just how incredibly stupid conservative apologist can get?


Jason Proudmoore wrote:
You seem to not know the concept of war, my mentally ill friend.


I suspect you clowns wouldn't feel the need to engage in childish insults if you were actually smart enough to come up with a coherent argument.

Rolling Eyes
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 05:37 pm
oralloy wrote:

I suspect you clowns wouldn't feel the need to engage in childish insults if you were actually smart enough to come up with a coherent argument.

Rolling Eyes


Not childish at all…I just define what's definable. If you come here to this thread and post a baseless argument that only amounts to nonsense, I would call you "crazy" or "mentally ill"…because you not just fail to acknowledge the obvious, but try to make your own argument valid. If you ONLY see clowns when people call you names that define your actions, you're also delusional…to be exact. And if you can't take the heat…you know the rest. Twisted Evil :wink:
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 05:51 pm
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
If you come here to this thread and post a baseless argument that only amounts to nonsense,


I posted only facts. Clearly you don't like facts. But since you can't refute reality, you resort to childish insults. Now run along and be stupid somewhere else.

Rolling Eyes
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:01 pm
Oralloy's contention that we didn't drop a nuke on Japan with the clear intention of killing civilians took me aback so much that I was momentarily speechless and unable to rrespond. Thank you,xingu, for pinch-hitting. This oralloy person is walking about unassisted? He shouldn't be allowed to cross the street unaided. That one statement is the single most egeregious denial of reality I have ever read. It hadn't occurred to me that any allegedly sane person, no matter what one's political persuasion, could even be capable of entratining such a notion.

Our intent in dropping nuclear warheads on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was quite clear -- to bring Japan to its knees and to the peace treaty signing ceremony by whatever means were available and deemed necessary. Please notice, I make no argument as to whether this was ethically right or wrong; both positions are tenable in a debate context. But the fact cannot be denied. We knew that targets were major industrial cities, populated by large civilian populations, and we knew what the results of dropping the bombs would be. We intended to wipe out a large number of Japanese non-combatant civilians. Period.

War is a nasty business. People do nasty things to win a war. That's a given. It is only after hostilities have ceased that the victors -- and sometimes the losers, too -- come up with reasonable excuses of why particular actions were necessary. We have been told thousands of times how the bombing of the Japanese cities was necessary to end the war more quickly and, in the final analysis, save lives. For all I know, this might be a valid argument. But I would suggest that the Islamic militants are equally able to formulate arguments of why the destruction the World Trade Center was not only justified but, in the final analysis, a humane act.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:07 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
But I would suggest that the Islamic militants are equally able to formulate arguments of why the destruction the World Trade Center was not only justified but, in the final analysis, a humane act.

For example?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:08 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Oralloy's contention that we didn't drop a nuke on Japan with the clear intention of killing civilians took me aback so much that I was momentarily speechless and unable to rrespond. Thank you,xingu, for pinch-hitting. This oralloy person is walking about unassisted? He shouldn't be allowed to cross the street unaided. That one statement is the single most egeregious denial of reality I have ever read. It hadn't occurred to me that any allegedly sane person, no matter what one's political persuasion, could even be capable of entratining such a notion.


Another kook who responds to facts with insults. How childish.

Rolling Eyes



Merry Andrew wrote:
We intended to wipe out a large number of Japanese non-combatant civilians. Period.


Liar.



Merry Andrew wrote:
War is a nasty business. People do nasty things to win a war. That's a given. It is only after hostilities have ceased that the victors -- and sometimes the losers, too -- come up with reasonable excuses of why particular actions were necessary. We have been told thousands of times how the bombing of the Japanese cities was necessary to end the war more quickly and, in the final analysis, save lives. For all I know, this might be a valid argument. But I would suggest that the Islamic militants are equally able to formulate arguments of why the destruction the World Trade Center was not only justified but, in the final analysis, a humane act.


Unlike America, the terrorists are actually targeting civilians.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:09 pm
This bears repeating, since it got buried by the childish insults:


    [quote="oralloy"]the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.[/quote] Before December 7th, 1941, Pearl Harbor had been regarded as immune to torpedoes, because the water was too shallow for them to operate in. Japan had to devise entirely new torpedo technology in order to hit Pearl Harbor. It just so happens that the Mitsubishi Ordnance Works, one of those arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki, was the place that invented, designed, and built those torpedoes. There's Karma for ya. :D
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:10 pm
oralloy wrote:

I posted only facts.


The fact that only exists in your twisted imagination.

oralloy wrote:

Clearly you don't like facts.


I love facts…I love facts that exists in the reality of the sane.

oralloy wrote:

But since you can't refute reality, you resort to childish insults.


I don't understand why you keep calling "mentally ill," "crazy," and "delusional" childish. Go get a dictionary…you will find out that those three elements apply to you.

oralloy wrote:

Now run along and be stupid somewhere else.


Stupid is as stupid does.

oralloy wrote:

Rolling Eyes

Evil or Very Mad
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:10 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
But I would suggest that the Islamic militants are equally able to formulate arguments of why the destruction the World Trade Center was not only justified but, in the final analysis, a humane act.

For example?


Hell, I'm not going to argue the pros of this. I don't believe it's true. That's for the Islamists to argue. Conversely, I wouldn't expect a Japanese survivor of the attack on Hiroshima to convincingly argue our American position. I'm saying that such an argument probably could be made. And knocked down. Just as our arguments can be knocked down.
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 06:12 pm
oralloy wrote:
This bears repeating, since it got buried by the childish insults:


    [quote="oralloy"]the purpose of the Nagasaki bomb was to destroy large arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki.


Before December 7th, 1941, Pearl Harbor had been regarded as immune to torpedoes, because the water was too shallow for them to operate in.

Japan had to devise entirely new torpedo technology in order to hit Pearl Harbor.

It just so happens that the Mitsubishi Ordnance Works, one of those arms-production complexes on the outskirts of Nagasaki, was the place that invented, designed, and built those torpedoes.

There's Karma for ya. Very Happy[/list][/quote]

So what? What's your point?
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