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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2006 11:23 am
All the described elements are fighting and have fought conventionally (and yes, guerilla war is conventional, according the US miltiary... for Pete's sake - even the teutonic barabarians from across the Rhine fought the Romans using the root tactics that Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Afghans, and the Contras have used and are using)...

I patently disagree that American military tactics are hopeless against Islamic militants if we embrace a measure of conventional strategy - including not arming our future enemies. Are you even serious in your last response? I, mean, c'mon! You think that Al Qaeda and the Taliban don't fight conventional war, too? Why is it that the vast majority of allied deaths in the mountain war raging in Afghanistan have occurred in convential campaigns, and not from suicide bombings, IED's, and terrorist attacks? Our military leaders have said that those "terrorists" we've been fighting are well versed in modern military theory (some of which we've taught them), and their fighters are as well-equipped as American soldiers; in major battles, they fight as we fight. The terrorist leaders fund this type of fighting, as well as terrorism. Terrorism is something different... nor is it not the only threat we face. It's not even the single-most significant threat we face; the threat facing us is a combined threat of terrorism (including the use of WMD's), conventional force, and financial networks. Attacking these three, interrelated threats (according the chairman of the joint chiefs, as well as Senator John Warner), involves a multi-pronged strategy of electronic war, financial war, conventional war, and terrorism prevention.

To throw up you hands and say "this war is a war against an unseen enemy, so you can't fight conventionally, and we, essentially, haven't discovered the best tactic yet," is just to rhetorically gloss over the arguments of others. The U.S. military has been fighting as Senator Warner has noted since 2002. Incidentally, there have been no terrorist attacks in the U.S., and Al-Qaeda's infrastructure is collapsing. The Iraq factor can be blamed on one person - Geroge W. Bush. If it wasn't for Iraq, we'd be winning even more handedly against terrorists who fight in more than one, stealthy way.

Let's not oversimplify a complex problem for rhetorical gain. It's irresponsible in the real world, and a simplistic tactic in argument.
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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2006 11:34 am
Re: Osama,Jihad, Saddam, Noriega, SAVAK, Pinochet,Contra,USA
Jeremiah wrote:

I patently disagree that American military tactics are hopeless against Islamic militants if we embrace a measure of conventional strategy - including not arming our future enemies. Are you even serious in your last response? .


To whom are you addressing this, Jerry?
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Reply Sun 23 Jul, 2006 11:50 am
The simplistic propaganda is spewed by and large for the consumption of an ignorant and self-absorbed American public. The government leaders, as you've pointed out, are pursuing the multi-pronged approach to the problem of Islamist terrorism.

Iraq was invaded for reasons that pre-date the concerns about Islamist terrorism. The administration merely conflated the two in their propaganda to the American public.

One factor that the US government has going against it is its mindset that, one, holds that US interests in Middle Eastern and Muslim countries trump the interests of the very peoples of those regions, and two, self-righteously presumes that, at the very least, US interests are also beneficial to the peoples of those regions. Approaching foreign policy with this mindset assures the perpetuation of radicalization and militancy within those populations in those regions against the US.
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