Pacifism only serves to enable and support evil

What would Jesus do?


Joe(did he mean that other cheek comment?)Nation

Joe Nation wrote:

What would Jesus do?


Joe(did he mean that other cheek comment?)Nation

MM replied:

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That question can be asked about every social issue today.
Do you want to apply that standard to everything?

Yes.
Christianity, without all it's limiting myths about the supernatural, is the greatest philosophy and social psychology strategy which has yet to tried (except for a few years in the streets of Mumbai by Mother Teresa and even she {a saint} had her faults). So, yes. Try it.

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After all,the "peace movement" has been saying for 30 years that if Israel just made concessions there would be peace.

Israel has,and there is still no peace.
Why is that?

Ah yes, the mysterious, and only existent in quotes, "peace movement", the great unnamed group which can be, as in the article, escribed any quality wished. So, in the article above, the marchers are angry, and here it is implied that "the movement" has only called for concessions by Israel and not by Hamas or the PLO or Hezzbollah or Syria or Egypt {sigh)-the list does go on. Neither label really sticks but they work well enough when you are trying your damnedest to tamp down any opposition to the "unilateral war with associated acts of torture is the way to go movement".

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and there is still no peace.
Why is that?

Dunno. You would have thought the whole 'win your place through violence and hate' would have won something by now.

Joe(Love your enemies. Nah, he was just talking)Nation

For a really idiotic debate, merely refuse to clarify the terms of it.

From dictionary.com...
Pacifism:
1)The belief that disputes between nations should and can be settled peacefully.

2)Opposition to war or violence as a means of resolving disputes.
Such opposition demonstrated by refusal to participate in military action

Would slkshock7 or MM hold the belief that "disputes between nations cannot be settled peacefully and must be settled by war"?

Are they "opposed to peace or non-violence as a means of resolving disputes"?

To put it another way, did Jesus say, "If you just turn the other cheek, you are a girlyman. Go, now, and rip their lungs out."

Has anyone ever met a pacifist of the absolutist sort - "There is never a justification for war" ? I haven't. My faith and cultural tradition, Mennonite, is traditionally pacifist, yet all the males in my family joined up to fight in WW2.

mysteryman, sad but true. You Bushies give no credence to UN resolutions or to the UN yet when it suits you you invoke them. How hypocritical. Israel defies UN resolutions and you say nothing. "PDF] Israel routinely ignores and defies UN ResolutionsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
destruction.Israel, on the other hand, routinely ignores and defies UN Resolutions, some of which are listed here. - Resolution 106: " . ...
www.ziopedia.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=461 - " Bushie defies the UN and you cheer. He promised a vote on a second UN resolution before he invaded Iraq and when he saw he would lose he defied the UN and invaded anyway. He declared the Geneva Convention to be quaint showing how little regard he has for international law.

Record of the United Nations, why is it so anti-Israel
One of the reasons the United Nations is so anti-Israel is because the General Assembly gives one vote per member country, and there are simply many more small developing Islamic countries than large non-Islamic developed countries.

Because many of these smaller developing countries suffered under Western colonialism the General Assembly also has an anti-Western bias.

Israel, ironically, is seen by many countries as the last bastion of Western colonialism -- partly because the Palestine Mandate for the Jewish National Home predates the U.N. and dates back to the League of Nations -- even though it became a nation about the same time, and in the same way as many African and other Middle Eastern nations.

Israel also has resorted to legislation and documents that predate the United Nations, sometimes ignoring the UN resolutions and always to its consternation. Although changing in recent years, Israel held its right for Jews to live on the Jewish National Home to supersede any right or restriction emanating from the U.N.

Emergency Special Sessions of the United Nations General Assembly are rare. No such session has ever been convened with respect to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the slaughters in Rwanda, the disappearances in Zaire or the horrors of Bosnia. In fact, during the last 15 years they have been called only to condemn Israel.

Another is this site, which looks at Anti-Semitism in the United Nations.

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Emergency Special Sessions of the United Nations General Assembly are rare. No such session has ever been convened with respect to the Chinese occupation of Tibet, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, the Syrian occupation of Lebanon, the slaughters in Rwanda, the disappearances in Zaire or the horrors of Bosnia. In fact, during the last 15 years they have been called only to condemn Israel.

People in the world hate Israel. Many of those people participate on A2K. It never ceases to amaze me.

I don't hate Israel. But I hate what Israel is doing to the lives of innocent people right now. (& please don't anyone try to justify what's happening by explaining about terrorists embedded in the midst of Lebanese cities & communities. This simply doesn't justify the scale of the carnage!)