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Turns out there WAS no "secret" for the NYT to reveal.

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 10:53 am
Re: Turns out there WAS no "secret" for the NYT to
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
JustanObserver wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Bush may have referred a million and one times to a program that was linking financial transactions to terrorists, but he never went into the specifics addressed by the NY Times et al.

What about the all the detailed information provided by the SWIFT website and magazine? Moreover, a simple internet search pulls up all sorts of information on the program. There was hardly any "secrecy" involved.

Why then did Lee Hamilton and John Murtha urge the Times not to print the story? Puppets of the Administration?

Instead of resorting to an appeal to authority, why dont you just address JAO's point?

What dangerous details exactly did the NYT reveal that werent already known, for example through the SWIFT pubs?

I havent read every thread about this subject, but among the posts Ive read Ive seen a lot of conservatives get very agitated about the NYT endangering national security - but not one of them able to point out what the big dangerous secret was the NYT actually let out.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 12:52 pm
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
revel wrote:
So now it isn't the revealing of the program itself but the revealing of the details? Funny how the arguments always change once holes in the arguments of the administration and its blind supporters are pointed out.

Of course not. It has always been about revealing the details of the program. The arument hasn't changed. What are you talking about?

(revel)Bush was upset because the NYT revealved the program he didn't say anything about revealing details.

[quote]The fact that a newspaper disclosed it makes it harder to win this war on terror. Bush said, leaning forward and jabbing his finger during a brief question-and-answer session with reporters in the Roosevelt Room.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/27/ap/politics/mainD8IG7JV00.shtml[/color]

Everyone has always known we were tracking the terrorist suspect's money. It makes sense to track the terrorist money. What the big deal is about is tracking without warrants or oversights in which abuse could take place without anyone being the wiser.

But of course if you knew anything about the program you would realize that there are redundant oversights. But, hey that would just put a brake to your self-righteous leftist shpiel.

It's a secret government program, ergo it is is sinister. Thus sprach the NY Times!


(revel) Perhaps I should have stressed independent oversight of the program such as congressional and our courts.

The following url is a good summation of the whole issue, IMO.

Let's Call Those Attacking the New York Times What They Are: Liars.


If they have enough of a reason to suspect someone of being linked to terrorist to track their money transactions then they have enough of a reason to get a warrant.


Get a warrant, get a warrant, get a warrant! The new leftist mantra.

Warrants are not an issue in this matter.

[/quote]

Warrants are the heart of issue in this matter.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jul, 2006 02:04 pm
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 06:23 am
Re: Turns out there WAS no "secret" for the NYT to
JustanObserver wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
woiyo wrote:
JustanObserver wrote:
Oh man, this guy is ON THE MONEY.

Olberman not only addresses the absurdity of this right wing attempt to distract from Bush problems, but he actually plays NUMEROUS video clips of president Bush ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT.

Click here for link and video

Not like the truth is actually going to make rabid Bush supporters stop bitching about it. Still, good for some of you to have the link and send around.


Then why did the NY SLIMES report it as a SECRET PROGRAM??

I would surmise that it was designated as SECRET PROGRAM because the Whitehouse kept congress in the dark. In other words, everyone knew about it (including Al Qiada) except the House and Senate who were busy dealing with more importatant matters such as gay marriage and flag burning.


A tip of the hat to you, dyslexia. As soon as I read "NY SLIMES," I just tuned him out.


Your ignorance is overwhelming, or is it your partisenship that makes you sound ignorant?

Of course members of Congress new about it!
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 06:31 am
Re: Turns out there WAS no "secret" for the NYT to
woiyo wrote:
JustanObserver wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
woiyo wrote:
JustanObserver wrote:
Oh man, this guy is ON THE MONEY.

Olberman not only addresses the absurdity of this right wing attempt to distract from Bush problems, but he actually plays NUMEROUS video clips of president Bush ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT.

Click here for link and video

Not like the truth is actually going to make rabid Bush supporters stop bitching about it. Still, good for some of you to have the link and send around.


Then why did the NY SLIMES report it as a SECRET PROGRAM??

I would surmise that it was designated as SECRET PROGRAM because the Whitehouse kept congress in the dark. In other words, everyone knew about it (including Al Qiada) except the House and Senate who were busy dealing with more importatant matters such as gay marriage and flag burning.


A tip of the hat to you, dyslexia. As soon as I read "NY SLIMES," I just tuned him out.


Your ignorance is overwhelming, or is it your partisenship that makes you sound ignorant?

Of course members of Congress new about it!


Yea, they knew about it after the Bush administration knew that the NYT was on to them and was fixing to write about it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/02/feinstein-briefed/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 08:49 am
Re: Turns out there WAS no "secret" for the NYT to
nimh wrote:
I havent read every thread about this subject, but among the posts Ive read Ive seen a lot of conservatives get very agitated about the NYT endangering national security - but not one of them able to point out what the big dangerous secret was the NYT actually let out.


I've noticed the same thing about Valerie Plame's "outing."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 09:52 am
That's bull, Tico. You are of course aware that there were other agents working (or having worked) for Brewster Jennings & assoc., the front company which was also outed at the time.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 10:39 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That's bull, Tico. You are of course aware that there were other agents working (or having worked) for Brewster Jennings & assoc., the front company which was also outed at the time.

Cycloptichorn


I don't see why the "everyone knew but Congress" explanation doesn't work equally well for Plame as it does for the SWIFT monitoring story.

Apparently the Brewster-Jennings "cover" didn't offer much cover. It appears to have been as vital a secret to the CIA as Plame's identity -- which they took no pains to stop Novak from publishing. Here's a LINK to another article discussing the lack of cover provided by Brewster-Jennings.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 11:23 am
Your links don't have any relevance to the damage done.

The first link states that there wasn't anyone at the address the business had listed. But this doesn't mean there never was, or that the address listed was the primary address (the article even states this).

The second link is some random rambling that doesn't make much sense at all, and clearly does not show that BJ&A wasn't an undercover/front CIA operation.

The fool who wrote the second link:

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Brewster-Jennings, which Plame listed as her employer, was never a secret, at least not according to the two former employees cited here.


No, but the fact that it was a CIA front was a secret. The writer misses the point of a front company entirely.

Neither of your links shows that there was no damage done by the revealing of BJ&A as a front for the CIA, at all.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 12:18 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither of your links shows that there was no damage done by the revealing of BJ&A as a front for the CIA, at all.

Cycloptichorn


But you've not shown there was any damage done by the revelation that Brewster-Jennings was a front for the CIA ... at all.


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I Spy With My Little Eye . . .
. . . something beginning with the letter S. (Answer: Sloppy spooks.)


BY REUEL MARC GERECHT
Wednesday, November 9, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

"And they [CIA employees] have to expect that when they do their jobs, that information about whether or not they are affiliated with the CIA will be protected. . . . And they run a risk when they work for the CIA that something bad could happen to them, but they have to make sure that they don't run the risk that something bad is going to happen to them from something done by their own fellow government employees."

So spoke Patrick Fitzgerald, special prosecutor in the Valerie Plame investigation, about the need to preserve the cover of CIA case officers. His sincere concern for the woman's lost camouflage can also be heard among commentators on both left and right, even among those who recognize that Ms. Plame's publicity-loving husband, Joseph "Yellowcake" Wilson, often doesn't have a firm grip on the truth. In particular, left-leaning liberals, not well known for their defense of the CIA, have charged forward to equate the maintenance of cover for Langley's operatives (who are, let us be frank, probably overwhelmingly antiwar and anti-Bush) with the country's national security. In their eyes, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff for the vice president, is thus guilty, at a minimum, of a politically motivated disregard for a clandestine public servant on the front lines of freedom.

Needless to say, Langley, which started this whole affair with its referral of Ms. Plame's "outing" to the Justice Department, couldn't agree more about the critical role of its secret operatives in the nation's defense. (If it weren't for the CIA's use of rendition and secret prison facilities, a return of 1950s-era liberal love for the clandestine service might be in the works.)

Truth be told, however, the agency doesn't care much at all about cover. Inside the CIA, serious case officers have often looked with horror and mirth upon the pathetic operational camouflage that is usually given to both "inside" officers (operatives who carry official, usually diplomatic, cover) and nonofficial-cover officers (the "NOC" cadre), who most often masquerade as businessmen. Yet Langley tenaciously guards the cover myth--that camouflage for case officers is of paramount importance to its operations and the health of its operatives.

Know the truth about cover--that it is the Achilles' heel of the clandestine service--and you will begin to appreciate how deeply dysfunctional the operations directorate has been for years. Only a profoundly unserious Counter-Proliferation Division would have sent Mr. Wilson on an eight-day walkabout in Niger to uncover the truth about uranium sales to Saddam Hussein and then allowed him to give an oral report.

• Fact: The vast majority of CIA officers overseas operate with little to no cover and have done so since the foundation of the post-World War II clandestine service in 1947. Most case officers posted abroad carry official cover, which usually means they serve as fake diplomats. The use of official cover allowed the agency to grow rapidly in the 1940s, when panic about Soviet expansionism was real and America's experience with espionage and global secret services was small. Developing an agency weighted in favor of nonofficial-cover officers would have been vastly more difficult, time-consuming, and not necessarily useful for a CIA aimed overwhelmingly at massive covert-action programs that did not require officers to be particularly stealthy in their daily routines.

Today, operational camouflage is usually shredded within weeks of a case officer's arrival at his station, since the manner, method and paperwork of operatives is just too different from real foreign-service officers. (Even if the CIA really wanted to fix this inadequate verisimilitude--and it does not--it probably couldn't reconcile the differing demands and bureaucracies of the two institutions.) Minimally competent foreign security services know a great deal of what occurs inside U.S. embassies and consulates since these institutions are completely dependent upon local employees--the State Department calls them "foreign-service nationals"--who, through patriotism or coercion, often report on the activities of their employers.

The situation is better with nonofficial-cover officers who live overseas, most often in rather civilized places where hunting for American NOCs hasn't been a major pursuit of the local security services and where the "outing" of an NOC wouldn't likely lead to the officer's physical harm or long-term imprisonment. As a general rule, the more dangerous the country, the less likely that NOCs, who don't benefit from diplomatic immunity, will be stationed or visit there. (Imagining CIA nonofficial operatives penetrating Islamic radical groups even after 9/11 isn't possible.) And the agency often gives nonofficial case officers atrociously bad cover that makes no sense, especially given today's targeting priorities. A temporary "NOC of convenience," which is what Ms. Plame might have at times been while serving at headquarters in the Counter-Proliferation Division, is a much less secure cover, workable on very short-term assignments overseas, but paper-thin when confronted by knowledgeable folks in the cover profession. Given the low standards the agency often uses with its HQ-based nonofficial cover, Ms. Plame probably could still, if she dyed and shortened her hair, fly overseas and do whatever she might have been doing before she recommended her husband for his Africa sojourn.

• Fact: The CIA knows that most of its officers overseas are "blown" to the local security and intelligence services, and not infrequently to the more astute members of the native press in countries where a real press exists, and to knowledgeable members of the foreign diplomatic community who have firsthand contact with the country's foreign and defense ministries (where real diplomats always spend more quality time and have greater access than do spooks). But our clandestine service chooses not to dwell on the obvious. Compromised officers continue to run agents, and to try to develop foreigners for recruitments, knowing full well that the host security services know who they are. Now, this may not be an enormous counterintelligence problem if case officers are working "compatible" targets, that is, working on foreigners whom the host country's security and intelligence services don't really care about (for example, the French internal security service probably would not express its displeasure at regular meetings of a Nigerian official with a known CIA officer in the cafés of Paris). However, it is more of an issue when the local security and intelligence service might object, and since the end of the Cold War, foreign security and intelligence services have become noticeably less generous in viewing CIA activity on their soil as being harmless or complementary to their own actions.

• Fact: Probably the vast majority of all sensitive assets--foreign agents whom the agency considers highly valuable and who might be in some trouble if exposed--have been handled by compromised officers. The agency attempts to compensate for the blown state of its officers by having case officers use "surveillance detection runs" (SDRs). In the Soviet Union, where the agency and the State Department actually tried hard to hide CIA identities, but where CIA officers inevitably became known, American operatives deployed long and challenging SDRs. In most other countries, where the internal security has been less daunting, case officers have often been much more lax in scrupulously designing runs, sometimes with very adverse consequences. "Inside" officers--those who serve inside official U.S. facilities--have too often damned their agents to jail or death because they did not, or could not, insulate themselves sufficiently from the prying eyes of a hostile service. But the CIA quite happily has lived with this state of affairs since any attempt to get serious about cover would destroy the clandestine service as we have known it for 58 years.

If we were to use the standards suggested by Mr. Fitzgerald--"It's a lot more serious than baseball. . . . The damage wasn't to one person. It wasn't just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us"--we would fire the operations management, which in practice has become a barely clandestine version of the State Department. The revealing of Valerie Plame's true employer has in all probability hurt no one overseas. You can rest assured that if her (most recent) outing had actually hurt an agent from her past, we would've heard about it through a CIA leak.

Langley's systemic sloppiness--the flimsiness of cover is but the tip of the iceberg of incompetence--has repeatedly destroyed agent networks and provoked "flaps" with some of our closest allies. A serious CIA would never have allowed Mr. Wilson to go on such an odd, short "fact finding" mission. It never would have allowed Ms. Plame potentially to expose herself by recommending such an overt mission for her mate, not known for his subtlety and discretion. With a CIA where cover really mattered, Mr. Libby would not now be indicted. But that's not what we have in the real world. We have an American left that hates George W. Bush and his vice president so much that they have become willing dupes in a surreal operational stage-play. You have to give credit to Langley: Overseas it may be incompetent; but in Washington, it can still con many into giving it the respect and consideration it doesn't deserve.

Mr. Gerecht, a former CIA case officer, is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He is a contributor to "The Future of American Intelligence," edited by Peter Berkowitz and just out from Hoover Institution Press.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 12:29 pm
I understand that the AEI has a vested interest in taking the executive branch's side in this argument.

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But you've not shown there was any damage done by the revelation that Brewster-Jennings was a front for the CIA ... at all.


You're right, I haven't. But we can presume that there was damage done based upon logical inferrences and knowledge of how the cover organization operates.

Now that I think of it, the admin hasn't shown that there was any damage done with the revealing of the NSA spying program, with the Extraordinary Rendition program, or with the SWIFT monitoring program.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 01:05 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I understand that the AEI has a vested interest in taking the executive branch's side in this argument.

Quote:
But you've not shown there was any damage done by the revelation that Brewster-Jennings was a front for the CIA ... at all.


You're right, I haven't. But we can presume that there was damage done based upon logical inferrences and knowledge of how the cover organization operates.

Now that I think of it, the admin hasn't shown that there was any damage done with the revealing of the NSA spying program, with the Extraordinary Rendition program, or with the SWIFT monitoring program.

Cycloptichorn


Quite the circular little argument we've got going on. In response to Nimh wondering what's so secret about disclosing the existence of the SWIFT monitoring program, I point out I've wondered the same about Plame. Your response seems to be, "we can presume damage based upon logical inferences." I'm sure you realize the same can be said about the damage caused by the Times revelation of the "secret" SWIFT monitoring program.

There's a serious investigation going on into whether or not any crimes have been committed in the revelation of Plame's identity. I can only hope the same will occur in connection with the NYT's disclosures of secret government programs.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 01:19 pm
Sure, and so do I.

Though I'm sure you realize that it is those who did the leaking to the Times who should be investigated, and not the paper itself for printing information, don't you?

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 01:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Sure, and so do I.

Though I'm sure you realize that it is those who did the leaking to the Times who should be investigated, and not the paper itself for printing information, don't you?

Cycloptichorn


No, I don't agree.

I'm all for the freedom of the press, the First Amendment and all, but if the law has been violated the paper should be investigated as well. To think otherwise would be to believe a newspaper has the right to print anything they dig up. We know this isn't the case. Clearly, if the press publishes military secrets during a time of war, they should be held accountable.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 01:49 pm
The bar for what consitutes a 'military secret' is intentionally quite high.

Neither the NSA spying, Extraordinary Rendition nor the SWIFT program are military secrets, you realize.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 02:00 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The bar for what consitutes a 'military secret' is intentionally quite high.

Neither the NSA spying, Extraordinary Rendition nor the SWIFT program are military secrets, you realize.

Cycloptichorn


You realize I didn't claim they were, don't you? If you think I said otherwise, you are misreading my sentence. Try reading it again.

Do you agree that a newspaper that publishes military secrets during a time of war ought to be held accountable, or do you think they should be given a free pass to print what they see fit?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 02:01 pm
They should be held accountable for publishing military secrets, such as where we are planning to attack, etc.. None of this has anything to do with what the NYT has published, so why are we discussing it?

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 02:23 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
They should be held accountable for publishing military secrets, such as where we are planning to attack, etc.. None of this has anything to do with what the NYT has published, so why are we discussing it?

Cycloptichorn


Because you appear to be drawing some distinction between the Times publishing "military" secrets, and what they've published. I'm trying to figure out what you see is the difference exactly.

Drawing your attention to the case of the Chicago Tribune publishing a story on June 7, 1942, following the Battle of Midway, with the headline: "Navy Had Word of Jap Plan to Strike at Sea." After reading the article, the inescapable conclusion reached by the reader is that the US Government had figured out a way to break the Japanese codes.

Do you think the Tribune should have been held accountable for running that story?

What distinction do you make between the Tribune's revelation that the US has broken the Japanese codes, and the Time's various revelations of the methods and processes of the government in tracking the movements and activities of terrorists? The fact that no branch of the US Military was involved? Is that the distinction you're trying to parse here?

"We spend tens of billions of dollars each year on ... intelligence. But all al Qaida needs to buy is a subscription to the New York Times."

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Quote:
June 28, 2006
Bush Should Welcome a Fight with the Media
By Jack Kelly


The battle of Midway Island was the turning point of the Pacific War. Victory at Midway was possible because the U.S. had broken the Japanese naval code. The Chicago Tribune spilled the beans in a story that ran under the headline: "NAVY HAD WORD OF JAP PLAN TO STRIKE AT SEA."

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt was furious. He knew that if the Japanese read the story, they'd suspect their codes were compromised, and change them.

The president "initially was disposed to send in the Marines to shut down Tribune tower," wrote Harry Evans. "He was talked out of that, then considered trying (Chicago Tribune publisher Robert) McCormick for treason, which carried a death penalty in wartime."

A grand jury was empaneled, but prosecution was dropped because the Japanese were still using the Purple code, evidently having missed the story. The publicity from a trial would clue them in.

So Col. McCormick escaped prosecution. But with what the Chicago Tribune had done in mind, Congress in 1950 added Section 798 to the Espionage Act of 1917. It reads in part:

"Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits...or publishes ...any classified information...concerning the communications intelligence activities of the United States...shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

Section 798 applies specifically to what the New York Times did last December, when it published a story revealing that the National Security Agency was listening in on calls from al Qaida suspects abroad to people in the U.S.

Last week the New York Times struck again, revealing details about how the U.S. tracks terrorist financing through a consortium in Belgium. Because of the worldwide publicity these stories generated, there can be no doubt al Qaida is aware of them, and will change its practices because of them.

"You have gravely endangered the lives of my soldiers," wrote Lt. Tom Cotton, an Army officer stationed in Iraq, in a letter to the Times.

"The next time I hear that familiar explosion...I will wonder whether we could have stopped that bomb had you not instructed terrorists how to evade our financial surveillance."

"Without money, terrorism in Iraq would die because there would no longer be supplies for IEDs...and no motivation for people to abandon regular work in hopes of striking it rich after killing a soldier," wrote Army Sgt. T.F. Boggs in another indignant letter to the Times.

We spend tens of billions of dollars each year on (often not very good) intelligence. But all al Qaida needs to buy is a subscription to the New York Times.

President Bush indicated in remarks Monday he is as angry at the Times as FDR was at the Chicago Tribune. The question is, will he do anything about it?

The reason why President Roosevelt dropped his prosecution of Col. McCormick doesn't apply. Al Qaida can learn nothing more from the publicity of a trial than it knows already.

The administration has sound legal grounds for prosecuting the Times under the Espionage Act, Gabriel Schoenfeld argued in a lengthy essay in Commentary in March. Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said last month this was a possibility.

Newsday columnist James Pinkerton thinks the Times should be prosecuted, but that the Bush administration lacks the political courage to do so. For the sake of the nation's security, the Times must be prosecuted. Our policy of going only after the leakers (and fitfully at that) obviously hasn't worked.

Prosecuting the Times also could be good politics. Americans are, at best, ambivalent about the war in Iraq. But solid majorities support the steps the president has taken to protect us in the broader war on terror. For instance, shortly after the Times exposed the NSA intercept program, a Rasmussen poll indicated 64 percent of Americans supported it. Only 23 percent were opposed.

Ordinary Americans are furious with the Times both for what it has done, and for its arrogance in doing it. And journalists don't have much popularity to lose. In a Harris survey in March, only 14 percent of respondents expressed a "great deal" of confidence in the press, while 34 percent had "hardly any."

In picking a fight with journalists over leaks, President Bush would be picking on one of the few groups in America less popular than he is, on the issue where he is on the firmest ground with the public.

Media uproar over prosecution of the Times would drown out other issues where the president is on shakier ground. This is a fight to be welcomed, not avoided.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 02:38 pm
Quote:

Because you appear to be drawing some distinction between the Times publishing "military" secrets, and what they've published. I'm trying to figure out what you see is the difference exactly.


The NSA isn't part of the military, neither is the CIA, neither is the Treasury department. So nothing that was published was a 'military' secret.

I am well familiar with the oft-cited 'broken Japanese code' story, thanks.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jul, 2006 02:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

Because you appear to be drawing some distinction between the Times publishing "military" secrets, and what they've published. I'm trying to figure out what you see is the difference exactly.


The NSA isn't part of the military, neither is the CIA, neither is the Treasury department. So nothing that was published was a 'military' secret.

I am well familiar with the oft-cited 'broken Japanese code' story, thanks.

Cycloptichorn


I'm trying to figure out why you are drawing a huge distinction between military secrets and other secrets of the government.

Seeing as how you have ignored them the first time I asked, I'll ask again:

"What distinction do you make between the Tribune's revelation that the US has broken the Japanese codes, and the Time's various revelations of the methods and processes of the government in tracking the movements and activities of terrorists? The fact that no branch of the US Military was involved? Is that the distinction you're trying to parse here?"

A related question: What part of the "Espionage Act" limits its purview to only "military" secrets or classified information?
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