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Which governmental system better represents the electorate?

 
 
Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2003 02:52 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Freedom of Speech
A quick word on that Supreme Court decision upholding parts of the campaign finance reform act. Do you know that if you and a group of your friends decide you want to pool your money and buy an ad on radio or television during the last weeks of a campaign to promote one candidate or another, you will not be permitted to do so? Face it ... you lost some of your freedom of speech yesterday. Do you care?

And imagine a scenario wherein some very bad information came to light about Bush, for instance, within that 6-week blackout period. Those supporting the Democrat candidate would not be allowed to bring any attention to the issue.

Of course, this is less an issue for the Dems than for Repubs. Most of the media is far less likely to bring to light bad news about a Dem than about a Republican. So, while some skeleton from Dean's closet might remain largely hidden during that period, one from Bush's would probably be frontpage news in most of the major papers.

Anyone beginning to understand this little provision of McCain-Feingold?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2003 03:25 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Freedom of Speech
A quick word on that Supreme Court decision upholding parts of the campaign finance reform act. Do you know that if you and a group of your friends decide you want to pool your money and buy an ad on radio or television during the last weeks of a campaign to promote one candidate or another, you will not be permitted to do so?


That's not accurate.

What's accurate is the money used to purchase the ad must conform to all federal election laws.

This transmogrification of the slanderous, obscene attack advertising such as plague the airwaves of late into 'freedom of speech' by the far right is completely, yet typically, misleading.

Remember that freedom of speech frees most -- not all -- speech.

The intrepretations of the Supremes and other Courts (putting on Scrat-sputter shield) are what have determined which speech is free for, oh, a couple hundred years or so.

Nobody lost yesterday, except maybe for Karl Rove.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2003 07:43 pm
Scrat wrote:
And imagine a scenario wherein some very bad information came to light about Bush, for instance, within that 6-week blackout period. Those supporting the Democrat candidate would not be allowed to bring any attention to the issue.


I'm doubtful about the court's decision myself, too, but this I think is obviously not true.

You wouldnt be allowed "to bring any attention to the issue" anymore *with TV ads*. (And PDiddie will probably be able to tell whether this even concerns all ads or just ads fincanced in certain ways.)

You would still be able to get the word out through any of the other campaigning ways that have shaped politics throughout history. You can write letters to the editor, set up a petition, use the e-mail or internet campaigns that have proved such a boon for the Dean people - heck, you can demonstrate even if you want to, or go canvassing with your message door-to-door, the campaign form still dominant in the UK - you can sell buttons or bumper stickers - what bloody ever. Or "you and a group of your friends" can still each individually donate your contribution to your candidate for him to make that ad, right?

Its not like suddenly the window of democracy is shut down here - its shut down only on specific kinds of a particular tool of campaigning - a tool, more specifically, access to which had itself been limited by definition. Ads - especially TV ads - are only for those with money. A lot of money. The other ways of campaigning, such as the ones described above, rely on manpower. Manpower is a much more free and democratic way of electioneering - for every new person you get committed to your cause, you get that extra bit of outreach - period. Ads - even a hundred committed, but low-income supporters of candidate A cant afford any - yet just the one, wealthy backer of candidate B can positively flood the airwaves. The dominance of TV ads as the campaign tool of this specific era itself already implied a restriction on free speech - it restricts it to those who can afford it. The alternative ways of "bringing attention" to one's cause do not so easily slant the facilities of free speech to those with money.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2003 10:56 pm
nimh wrote:
Scrat wrote:
And imagine a scenario wherein some very bad information came to light about Bush, for instance, within that 6-week blackout period. Those supporting the Democrat candidate would not be allowed to bring any attention to the issue.


I'm doubtful about the court's decision myself, too, but this I think is obviously not true.

No, it is true, as is your point that one might get the message out in other ways, but why is this provision in there in the first place?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2003 04:10 pm
E.J. Dionne, in the Washington Post, wrote:
In upholding reforms in the campaign finance system this week, the U.S. Supreme Court did not mince words, split differences, rewrite legislation or sidestep issues. It was simultaneously bold and humble. The justices faced the big questions before them and gave unequivocal answers.

Yes, Congress can pass laws to stop runaway campaign contributions from corrupting politics. And, no, such regulations do not violate the First Amendment because there is no constitutional right to buy influence.

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Here is the key passage (of the majority opinion): "Just as troubling to a functioning democracy as classic quid pro quo corruption is the danger that officeholders will decide issues not on the merits or the desires of their constituencies, but according to the wishes of those who have made large financial contributions valued by the officeholder. ... And unlike straight cash-for-votes transactions, such corruption is neither easily detected nor practical to criminalize. The best means of prevention is to identify and to remove the temptation."


Court takes hard line against soft money
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2003 12:31 am
I've been puzzling over campaign finance reform, and it got me thinking...

The argument for McCain-Feingold seems to be that we need to limit the money because the money buys influence and having too much influence is a bad thing. Okay, let's accept that argument (the USSC seems to have).

Here's a hypothetical, for the purposes of which I'd like to assume that McCain-Feingold specifically limits the ability of the shareholders and workers of large corporations to use their combined wealth to influence the political process.

Suppose that tomorrow someone came up with a new technological advancement that allowed these same corporations to assert the same level of influence as they previously asserted without spending a cent.

Think about it...

Assume that this were a reality. Would it be a problem? Would you think something should be done about it? If so, what?
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