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Breaking news: Insurgents captured two American soldiers

 
 
Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:12 pm
Report: Insurgents captured soldiers
Witness tells NY Times he saw two U.S. soldiers being led away

Saturday, June 17, 2006; Posted: 8:59 p.m. EDT (00:59 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi witnesses say they saw two U.S. soldiers who survived an attack at a checkpoint near Baghdad being led away by masked insurgents to a pair of cars, The New York Times is reporting in its Sunday edition.

"There are intelligence indicators [that] they may have been captured alive rather than killed," a senior military official told CNN on Saturday night.

One U.S. soldier was killed in the attack, and a massive search was under way Saturday for the two who are unaccounted for.

The paper cited Iraqis in the area, who were interviewed by telephone from Baghdad, as saying the attack appeared to have been intended to lure some soldiers away and separate the force. (Watch painful memories for mother of missing soldier -- 1:49)

The paper quoted Hassan Abdul Hadi, who said he was tending to his date palms and apple trees when he heard gunfire and explosions.

Hadi said that he walked to the road and saw an American Humvee, the Times reported.

"I was shocked to see the Humvee -- nothing seemed to be wrong with it," Hadi told the Times. "Then I heard the men shouting 'God is great!' and I saw that they had taken the Americans with them. The gunmen took them and drove away."

Yusufiya, about 20 miles southwest of Baghdad, is part of Iraq's "Triangle of Death," where insurgents are active and there is widespread lawlessness.

The paper, citing interviews conducted earlier this year with Iraqi insurgents, said Karagol, the village near where the apparent ambush took place, had been under al Qaeda control.
U.S. military: Reinforcements arrived within 15 minutes

When the checkpoint along a canal was attacked at about 7:55 p.m. (11:55 a.m. ET) Friday, soldiers at an nearby traffic control point heard an explosion and small-arms fire, Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said Saturday. (Watch how the military is using land, air and water resources in search -- 2:59)

Reinforcements arrived within 15 minutes and found one soldier dead and the other two missing, the general said.

The New York Times cited witnesses as saying insurgents had been firing at the checkpoint from fruit groves along the road, and that when Americans gave chase in two Humvees the insurgents retreated into the groves.

At that point seven or eight guerrillas attacked the checkpoint from another direction, the paper reported the witnesses as saying, adding that a team of Americans arrived minutes after the two soldiers were taken away.

The names of the two soldiers are being withheld pending family notification.
'We never stop looking'

The search for them has involved helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles and divers, who have scoured the canals and the nearby Euphrates River.

Three raids were conducted Friday night and another Saturday morning, Caldwell said, and coalition troops have enlisted the help of local leaders and civilians.

"We are using all available assets," Caldwell said. "We never stop looking for our service members until their status is definitively determined, and we continue to pray for their safe return."

Caldwell also highlighted the case of another soldier missing in Iraq, saying the military is still looking for Sgt. Keith Matthew Maupin, who disappeared in April 2004 after his convoy was attacked near Baghdad International Airport.

Like the two soldiers who went missing Friday, Maupin's initial status was "whereabouts unknown." The military changed the Ohio soldier's status to "missing-captured" after the Arabic-language TV network Al-Jazeera showed a videotape of Maupin being held captive by insurgents.

Two months later, Al-Jazeera said it had received a videotape and statement from insurgents who claimed they killed Maupin, but U.S. officials were unable to identify him. His status remained "missing-captured."

Maupin's mother said her thoughts are with the families of the two soldiers missing after Friday's attack

"It's like reliving our first notice of when Matt's whereabouts (were) unknown," Carolyn Maupin said. "I can relate to the parents and I've been praying for them, so hopefully they will find them very, very soon, because I can relate to how they feel."

CNN's Cal Perry and Barbara Starr contributed to this report.


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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:14 pm
Here's to hoping they either find a way to escape or are returned safely.
Godspeed, fellas.

Sad
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:34 pm
****.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:46 pm
Iraqi prisoners have not been handled with kid gloves. Let us hope these two chaps won't have to taste the hatred of their captors.
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In WW2 there was an understanding between the Germans and the US: 'do unto others'.....
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Reciprocity is an underlying principle in the enforcement of POW treatment standards. A government's violation of such standards destroys its moral position in demanding humane treatment for the members of its own armed forces who are captured during hostilities. In other words, a government's deliberate violations of POW treatment standards put its own soldiers, sailors, and airmen in danger.
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http://www.isanet.org/noarchive/forman.htm
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anton
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:57 pm
detano inipo wrote:
Iraqi prisoners have not been handled with kid gloves. Let us hope these two chaps won't have to taste the hatred of their captors.
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In WW2 there was an understanding between the Germans and the US: 'do unto others'.....
.......................
Reciprocity is an underlying principle in the enforcement of POW treatment standards. A government's violation of such standards destroys its moral position in demanding humane treatment for the members of its own armed forces who are captured during hostilities. In other words, a government's deliberate violations of POW treatment standards put its own soldiers, sailors, and airmen in danger.
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http://www.isanet.org/noarchive/forman.htm


What you sow so shall you reap!
Pray that these young people are returned safely to their families, unharmed!
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 01:09 pm
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paull
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 01:22 pm
Yes, those insurgent murderers are really upset about all the internet screened beheadings of their buddies performed by the US military and their allies. No doubt that is justification for blowing up civilians whenever possible.

This situation has NOTHING to do with the Geneva Convention. Without getting into a racially tinged thing, check out the death rate of POW's in Japanese camps.......more like 30 to 40 percent. Then figure that this situation, if the soldiers are still alive, will make the Japanese seem like angels in comparison.

Anyone who is still trying to justify any action by the "insurgents" is too far gone with hate against the US to think clearly.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 01:56 pm
The original article goes on to say, Liberals are to blame.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 05:32 pm
Quote:
In addition, the American Red Cross' report stated that German officials never did stop the flow of Red Cross relief supplies to U.S. prisoners. This practice, the report continued, was mainly due to the U.S. Army's following the 1929 Geneva POW Convention in its treatment of German prisoners


But it is known that individual camp commanders DID interrupt the flow of Red Cross parcels to American POW's.

And,the Malmedy massacre was carried out by German troops.

So that means that the German military in general did try to interrupt parcels and did massacre American POW's.
It also means that ALL German officials were complicit.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 05:50 pm
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 04:35 am
detano inipo wrote:


No,I did not forget to read it.
I was holding you to one standard.

The possible murders at Haditha,the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib were both done by small groups of soldiers,acting on their own without official orders or authorization.

Yet many on the left have said that is proof that the whole military and the entire US govt is ordering and sanctioning these actions.

But,when it is shown that some German commanders withhled parcels,and some German troops massacred captured Americans,you seem to say that wasnt the policy of the Germans,and the Govt didnt do it.

Why the double standard?
Either both govts knew and approved,or they didnt.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jun, 2006 06:00 am
Quote:
In addition, the American Red Cross' report stated that German officials never did stop the flow of Red Cross relief supplies to U.S. prisoners. This practice, the report continued, was mainly due to the U.S. Army's following the 1929 Geneva POW Convention in its treatment of German prisoners.
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But it is known that individual camp commanders DID interrupt the flow of Red Cross parcels to American POW's.
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mysteryman.
Please show me proof of that last sentence, which is your quote. It contradicts the official statement above.
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paull
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:07 am
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DALLAS -- The uncle of a U.S. soldier who disappeared after a firefight in Iraq lashed out at the government Tuesday after learning two bodies had reportedly been found not far from where his nephew and another soldier were last seen.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/20/AR2006062000373_pf.html


Not surprising that this is the sort of guy the talking heads found to talk to.

Is anyone really unclear on the stupidity of paying ransoms in this situation? "Saddams money" or not?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:13 am
detano inipo wrote:
Iraqi prisoners have not been handled with kid gloves. Let us hope these two chaps won't have to taste the hatred of their captors.
.
In WW2 there was an understanding between the Germans and the US: 'do unto others'.....
.......................
Reciprocity is an underlying principle in the enforcement of POW treatment standards. A government's violation of such standards destroys its moral position in demanding humane treatment for the members of its own armed forces who are captured during hostilities. In other words, a government's deliberate violations of POW treatment standards put its own soldiers, sailors, and airmen in danger.
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http://www.isanet.org/noarchive/forman.htm

What does the Geneva Convention say about using threats of prisoner executions to blackmail their governments, and then beheading them?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:16 am
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The possible murders at Haditha,the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib were both done by small groups of soldiers,acting on their own without official orders or authorization


Haditha, yes. Abu Ghraib, no. There is a lot of evidence that the higher ups knew - and approved - of what was going on at Abu Ghraib.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:46 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_060620140946

Crying or Very sad

Poor guys. Just trying to do their jobs.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 10:10 am
Yeah. Came here to note. So sad.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 12:33 pm
The two soldiers' bodies have been found. Apparently they were tortured and throats slit.

****.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:34 pm
One story mentions beheading.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jun, 2006 09:59 pm
It's just so sad and really so pointless. No one wins, the world loses.
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