Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 01:45 pm
This web site has alot of attention from parents in my state & now in my home city, Austin.

I would like to hear some thoughts from parents on this site. The most alarming issue to me is that kids can log on as "14" and no one can track them, monitor them. Granted this is great news that a predator can't get to them, but parents can not monitor.

Thoughts?
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 01:54 pm
Some stupid 16 year old girl met some guy from somewhere in the Middle East(I think) on myspace. She ran off from home and hopped on a plane to go marry him. The authorities intercepted her at an airport overseas.

Good times.

Well I don't see how it could be much more dangerous than anything else, like chat rooms. If a girl is that stupid to meet a guy like that, then I'd have to wonder how she was raised. But I don't have kids, so what the f**k do I know.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 01:57 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/14/jericho.romance.ap/index.html

This might be her myspace page, unless it's a joke...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=56212385

If you can log in and look at her pictures, you see f'n guys in their 30's and up commenting how good she looks. Sleaze balls.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 02:07 pm
We had another thread on "MySpace" recently, but I can't find it.

Fourteen year olds are not noted for their common sense. Slappy's well-endowed teenage pin-up is a good example.

Her parents should have worried about her common sense fourteen years ago. The trouble isn't that MySpace exists or that predators exist. The problem is that kids ignore the lesson of Little Red Riding Hood and cozy up to strangers.

I'm not a computer savvy person, but I understand that software exists so that parents can monitor any computer in their house. The problem isn't MySpace--the problem is parents being in charge of their own kids in their own houses
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yellowlab
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 02:09 pm
I always get a kick from your responses. Yup, kid is stupid.

What if I told you that some kids log on at age "14" (they are not 14)and therefore no one can read their logs? Sounds good to me as a parent. But what if a kid is plotting or sending porn on their blog?

Oh here is a link to the stupid art teacher.
http://www.myspace.com/mshoover
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 02:17 pm
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What if I told you that some kids log on at age "14" (they are not 14)and therefore no one can read their logs?



It is no surprise kiddos lie about their age.

In a situation where a parent felt suspicious, they could easily download parental monitoring software that allows them to see passwords, IM's, all web pages, emails, each and every click of the mouse, all key strokes.. etc

How do we combat the problem of children and predators?

Besides locking up all kids in a safe room until they are 21...
I have no clue. Laughing
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yellowlab
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 02:21 pm
Think we need help from the courts. In Texas, the Attorney General is doing wonderful work on this issue.
My son (thankfully) is not on myspace, but some of his friends are.
The problem (I see) the kids that have the worst "blogs" --their parents don't give a rat's ---.
So where does a concerned parent go? Think this is a question for the Attorney General..
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 03:06 pm
Yellow lab--

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So where does a concerned parent go? Think this is a question for the Attorney General..


If I had been raising my kids in the computer age and had evidence that they were being jackasses in public, we'd have taken a symbolic trip to a metaphorical woodshed and they would have spent a certain amount of time in a Computer Free Zone.

Here is a link to the AP story about the teacher who prompted your thread:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=state&id=4279356

Because the site may be time sensitive, here is the story:

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(6/17/06 - DALLAS, TX) - Until they found the topless photos, Austin High School officials considered Tamara Hoover a model art teacher with a knack for helping students find their creative streaks.

Now, she's fighting for her job.

The photos, which were posted on Flickr.com by her partner, depict Hoover in the shower, lifting weights, getting dressed, in bed and doing other routine activities.

Her abrupt dismissal highlights a new concern for employees: Your boss has Internet access, too.

"People don't realize when they put their entire diary out there, they're giving very private information to the public," said Kate Brooks, director of career services for liberal arts students at the University of Texas at Austin. "You never know what's going to appeal to someone or disturb someone."

The school district said the photos were inappropriate and violate the "higher moral standard" expected of public school teachers. As a result, she's become an ineffective teacher, she was told as she was escorted out of class last month.

The photos came to light as a result of a feud over ceramics equipment with another art teacher, according to sworn affidavits. Students who had seen the pictures showed the teacher, who then notified school officials.

Colleagues and students dispute the district's characterizations of Hoover.

"I don't view Tamara any different having seen the photographs," said fellow Austin High teacher Robin Lind. "It doesn't make her less credible or less respectable."

Still, experts say it's a risk employees take when posting personal information online. That's particularly true for teachers, said Bill Shaw, professor of law and ethics in business at the McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas.

"School teachers are supposed to be mature enough not to titillate their students," Shaw said. "A teacher is more or less expected to be a guide or ... demonstrably mature. And this doesn't sound to me like it meets those standards."

Hoover said Friday the photos are art and makes no apologies.

"I'm an artist and I'm going to participate in the arts," Hoover said. "If that's not something they want me to do then I want to be told that. I don't feel as if I was doing anything that was beyond expectations."

Some of her students agree.

"Many artists have nude pictures, like Georgia O'Keeffe," said 16-year-old student Austen Clements. "If Georgia O'Keeffe wanted to teach at Austin High, I don't think they'd say, 'No, you have nude pictures online."'

Hundreds of photos of Hoover were part of partner Celesta Danger's online documentary of their lives together.

"I don't think I can be responsible for other peoples' perceptions or reactions when they look at my photos, it has to do with their state of mind at the time," Danger said. "I'm not out to change people's minds, but I'm not a pornographer."

Even in the name of art, Brooks warns her students that it's impossible to predict how potential employers might respond to personal information.

Sites like Flickr and MySpace.com have become popular not only with teenagers and adults, but with companies screening potential employees.

Internet career site CollegeRecruiter.com estimates that about 5 percent of employers research applicants on sites like Flickr, MySpace, Friendster and Facebook, but that number is growing.

Brooks said employers with whom she works regularly tell her they've rejected otherwise qualified job applicants because of material they found online.

Her counselors already warn students about what they post online. This year the university will dedicate a Web page to the issue.

"We would never tell a student to not put anything on MySpace or take anything down, that's their choice," Brooks said. "But that's the point: They need to be aware of the choices they're making."

Employers should handle the sites with caution, too, experts say.

"Information on those sites is inherently unreliable," said Steven Rothberg, president of CollegeRecruiter.com. "People post information about themselves that is not true. Their friends know it's not true, but the employers don't know that."

Hoover' teaching career remains on the line. The district wants to revoke her teaching certification, which would keep her out of Texas classrooms permanently.

Hoover will appeal the ruling and is prepared to take the case to court, she said.

"I never thought in any way I was doing anything to compromise my position at the school," Hoover said. "I love working there and I love teaching art. I feel like that's what I'm here to do."

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)




I don't think that this teacher is a Scarlet Woman, an unnatural and depraved slut who will corrupt high school students.

I do think she's shown exceedingly poor judgement by allowing the posted pictures to remain and she was unprofessional to allow them to be posted in the first place.
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yellowlab
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 03:31 pm
You bet. Poor judgement. Look at the blogs of her followers. (students..minors)
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 04:06 pm
Yellow Lab--

I've felt for several months that I really should take a look at MySpace. Having done so, I'm edified, but I probably won't explore the world of computer-clever nit wits.

Lord, what fools these mortals be.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 05:59 pm
Right. What will be next? Will the school employers check what pubs and clubs the teachers go to? I mean, who knows, some school student might end up there too, so its all part of the employer's domain?

I think the school district is way out of line here. Just because they employ you doesnt mean they own your life.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 06:11 pm
I mean, she's an artist as well as an art teacher (and they knew that when they hired her, I'm sure.) Her partner is an artist too, and makes an online documentary of their lives together. Encompassing "hundreds of photos", in a few of which she's semi-nude. Big howdy-doo. Its not like she turned out to be a porn actress or anything.

She's teaching art - her students surely must have come across plenty of naked breasts in art, paintings, photos or statues, whatever. Or they will soon enough if they have any interest in art. She was, the school district itself says, a great teacher, and now they're firing her because students who trail across MySpace might just come across a picture or two of hers where she is topless?

What, should school districts start firing any teacher who appears on the beach topless in her free time as well?

Weird.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 06:22 pm
I'm agreeing with nimh on this. I don't think employees are owned, even by school districts. And certainly employees' partners are not owned by the employers of their partners.

As to teens or younger children seeing items they shouldn't online, this hasn't been a personal problem of mine in that my niece when in her earlier teens had no interest in computers at all, a bit of the opposite problem from my point of view. I have read about all kinds of ways to monitor a child's computer use, not least, I would think, being open communication with the child... which I understand from once being a teen myself, can be fraught with problems all around.

In the case of the sixteen year old girl who took flight, literally, well, she is an honor student and, I think, was weeks away from being of legal age when she did that. Stooooopid, but not, ya know, stupid.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 07:39 pm
Nimh, Osso--

I disagree here.

"Community standards" is a quagmire, but it is a quagmire that encompasses the social mores of Austin, TX, in 2006.

Personally I'm old fashioned about keeping public lives and private lives well separated. For me--as for many taxpayers--going topless is a private act.

This woman, through her actions, has courted unseemly notoriety. This is her choice, but I can see a topless teacher as an enduring example of Art for the Sake of Beauty, Truth and Justice.

There's not a lot of difference between going topless on MySpace and going topless at High Noon on the corner of Main and Market Street.

Public is public.

If I were an employer, I'd probably not hire this woman. My gut reaction would be that if she wanted to let it all hang out, fine--but I wouldn't want to hire an employee who would let all my business hang out.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 07:44 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
If I were an employer, I'd probably not hire this woman. My gut reaction would be that if she wanted to let it all hang out, fine--but I wouldn't want to hire an employee who would let all my business hang out.

Emphasis added: how does an online art project of the partner of a teacher, which encompasses hundreds of photos that include a couple semi-nudes, equate with hanging out the employer's business? Her breasts are not his business at all, way I see it.

Also, comparing having an art archive of 100s of photos online that includes a few semi-nudes with "going topless at High Noon on the corner of Main and Market Street" seems a little outrageous.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 07:47 pm
...in fact, it seems more analagous to choosing to go topless at the beach in one's free time.

I'm VERY uncomfortable with the idea of employers having that kind of reach. If it were something more specific to teaching or her students -- if, when they commented, she wrote back something lascivious, I dunno, something -- I might feel differently. But the facts as laid out so far -- her partner's website, lots of photos, a few of those photos of her topless -- leave me thinking that her employer was way out of line, and setting a precedent I do not approve of.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 07:58 pm
I see your point of view. I was one of the few who had qualms about the great superbowl boob display, not that I was shocked, but that my older sense of tv hours in US/allowed material and expectations of parents made me understand people who wouldn't want their seven year old son, or whomever, to see it. I thought those who wouldn't like the unveiling had reasonable expectations to not see that, based on what I understood of tv times and rules here. At the same time I thought the rules are wildly puritanistic about the body and lax in the pulsing of violence as thrill..
(have qualms about any control except the market, but understand some, re network tv).

Still, my take on the teacher is one re her civil right to not have her partner remove those photos. I suppose I have to now actually look at the material? I'm arguing in concept at this point.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:04 pm
I went looking, found the myspace site (Celesta Danger's), but she'd removed the photos because of the reaction. (A poignant blurb from her about the whole thing, will go find and copy and paste later.) Right now I'm looking at her own site -- so far pretty standard pics (lots!!!!) no nude stuff. If this is at all representational, it's definitely needle in a haystack.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:05 pm
So, why as a teacher would she have these kinds of pictures up of her on a known 'teenage' site?
One that is mroe then popular with high school students?

I am not against her posting her pictures, art, or what have you....

but I am wondering about the common sense of posting them on a website that your students frequent...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jun, 2006 08:08 pm
I think I've gone through all of them, no nudies, not even in a series in a bathtub -- rather chaste, with arms or side of tub covering things.

Here's the blurb:

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After Tamara was fired from her job as an AISD high school art teacher, I am removing many images of her for the time being. With all the media attention, I am now seen as a pornographer and unfortunately, Im getting many porn collectors and those wishing to use and post my images of Tamara in a crude, lascivious manner and not to mention the Austin American Statesman running an article this morning noting how quick and easy it was for them to break into my Flickr account and access my Private images. Flickr has also joined the wagon and removed many of my images as well. Ive received much criticism about my homosexual relationship with Tamara, removing my images, posting my images, and just being a poor artist in general. It is important to note that none of the criticism Ive received has affected my decision take down some of our images.
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