You know what, I wonder how much influence the Roman Empire had on the Roman Catholic Church. During its latter years, the Church propped up the Emperor, whom still insisted he was in power because of divine intervention (ie God put him there... Sound familiar to anyone?).
I wonder how much of the Trinitarian Doctrine was a tool used by the Roman Emperors to consolidate power?
My fellow Romans! Y'all don't have to give up yer pagan traditions and celebrations. We'll just rename 'em that's all. Now you can all be Christians and worship the sun, er son . . .
neologist wrote:real life wrote:neologist wrote:This from someone claiming that firstborn doesn't mean first born and only begotten, doesn't mean begotten.
Well, Neo, it is undeniable that the scripture refers to several folks as 'firstborn' who weren't born first in their family. Why do you think that is?
Name a few and we'll discuss. . .
David was referred to as 'firstborn', but he was the 8th son of Jesse.
Quote:Ps 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
21With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
22The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
23And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
24But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
25I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
26He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
David, Seth, Isaac, Jacob, etc. were declared firstborn.
