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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 04:45 am
I gotta wonder something.

Many on the left are complaining about Gitmo,that prisoners are being held without trials,that they are denied access to attorneys,etc.
But,these same people on the left dont seem to mind that the same thing is being done here in the US,in a major city.
That city is run by democrats,and I thought they were the bastions of fairness (according to themselves).

Why isnt the left demanding that these prisoners be released?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-22-new-orleans-criminal_x.htm

"New Orleans plans to hold its first criminal trial since Hurricane Katrina as soon as next week, the first step in solving a judicial crisis in which thousands of suspects have been jailed for months without trials."

(snip)

"The resumption of criminal trials would be a benchmark in New Orleans' recovery, but defense lawyers warn the effort may stall quickly. They say that Katrina ripped apart an already troubled judicial system and that it's unclear whether defendants can get fair trials."

(snip)


"It won't be easy. Thirty-one of the 39 public defenders have been laid off since Katrina. District Attorney Eddie Jordan and several defense lawyers say 2,100 of those awaiting trial are in jails, many without adequate legal representation.

Metzger and other lawyers have filed lawsuits demanding that jailed suspects be tried or released. Criminal District Court Judge Arthur Hunter has said thousands will have to be released if the state does not come up with money for public defenders.

Jordan says the vast majority of the defendants who need lawyers face drug charges, and about three dozen cases involve homicides."


So,it seems that New Orleans has become a Gitmo run by democrats.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 11:21 am
Re: Democrat Gitmo
mysteryman wrote:
Why isnt the left demanding that these prisoners be released?


All you had to do was ask:

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014571.html
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 11:36 am
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Metzger and other lawyers have filed lawsuits demanding that jailed suspects be tried or released.
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Your answer was there if you bothered to read it MM.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 03:52 pm
parados wrote:
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Metzger and other lawyers have filed lawsuits demanding that jailed suspects be tried or released.
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Your answer was there if you bothered to read it MM.


But you,Hillary,Ted Kennedy,Al Gore,and the others screaming about Gitmo arent screaming about this.
Why not?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 04:38 pm
Your definition of "the left" and "screaming" seems to vary at will. There is a stark difference between people being held too long due to bureaucracy and natural disaster, and people being held indefinitely because the government says they can and intends to keep it that way.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 05:19 pm
First I hear of this story, but add me to the leftists wanting these people to be released (like Shapeless said, all you had to do was ask).

Interesting story, anyhow - I mean, stripped of the partisan baiting MM is using it for.

This, for example:

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In New Orleans, Justice on Trial
Katrina Strains Public Defender's Office

April 15, 2006
Washington Post

NEW ORLEANS -- Every week or so here, the chief criminal court judge and his staff discover someone in jail who shouldn't be.

For the most part, Chief District Judge Calvin Johnson said, they are indigent defendants who were arrested on misdemeanor charges just before or after Hurricane Katrina hit Aug. 29. They often lack attorneys and their cases get "lost" in the system, he said, leaving the accused to serve weeks or months of extra incarceration.

Around the courthouse, it's known as "doing Katrina time."

"We're still finding people -- they bubble up weekly," Johnson said, noting that he releases them. "We can't have people in jail indeterminately."

The flooding after Katrina robbed thousands of people of their homes, drinking water and other essentials. But it has also deprived many others of another fundamental: the right to legal representation.

The criminal justice system here is besieged on all sides. The evidence room was flooded with several feet of water. Witnesses, like half the population, are scattered all over the country. The district court's 13 judges are restricted to holding court in two federal courtrooms available only four days a week. No criminal jury trials have been held since the storm.

But what may be raising the most troubling constitutional issues, according to judges, prosecutors and defense lawyers, is the underfunded public defender system, which is required by law to provide indigent defendants with legal representation.

It is now at the center of a high-stakes constitutional standoff.

District Judge Arthur Hunter, a former street cop, has announced that he is suspending the prosecution of cases in which the defendants are represented by the public defender's office -- that is, he says, until Louisiana appropriates enough money to allow public defenders to put on a competent defense.

Without action from the state legislature, he indicated, he may soon have to consider releasing those defendants. (Last week, lawyers began seeking the release of more than 15 of them.) "It's beyond the question of whether these defendants have effective counsel -- it's a question of whether they have attorneys at all," Hunter said.

Even before the hurricane, Louisiana's system for indigent defendants had been considered woefully inadequate, according to a report from the National Legal Aid & Defender Association and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. There isn't enough money for the program, according to the report, leaving public defenders in one parish to handle six times the normal full-time caseload -- while working part time.

About 80 percent of defendants in New Orleans are supposed to be represented by the public defender's office. Supported largely by traffic court fines and fees -- which evaporated after Katrina -- the office shrank from 42 lawyers to 10 afterward.

With more than a thousand clients still spread out across the state in parish prisons because of damage to the Orleans Parish jail, the chief public defender said the office has not been able to meet with all it is expected to represent.

"We don't have the time or the manpower to go out to each of those facilities to speak to each of our clients," the city's chief public defender, Tilden Greenbaum, testified in Hunter's court in February, when the judge was trying to determine whether the public defender's office could offer effective assistance to the city's indigent.

The public defender program received a short-term spurt of money, but Hunter has deemed that an insufficient fix.

Meanwhile, no one knows exactly how many defendants are serving or have served "Katrina time."

<click headline to read rest of story>
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 06:42 pm
mysteryman wrote:
parados wrote:
Quote:

Metzger and other lawyers have filed lawsuits demanding that jailed suspects be tried or released.
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Your answer was there if you bothered to read it MM.


But you,Hillary,Ted Kennedy,Al Gore,and the others screaming about Gitmo arent screaming about this.
Why not?

The answer is STILL there in BOLD BIG LETTERS....

The people incarcerated have access to the courts and lawsuits that can and will be heard by those courts. That is unlike Gitmo where the government prevents the lawsuits from being filed by various chicanery.
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RichNDanaPoint
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 07:44 pm
The real question should be why is it the far right conservative nut cases are not screaming about Gitmo? :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 08:01 pm
Got this in an email today. Perhaps it will help you understand.

Quote:
"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we"??

Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores
on September 11, 2001? Were people from all over the world, mostly
Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across
the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning
or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an
overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't
care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for
incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring
about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi
Arabia.

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking
off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed
throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and
fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in
mosques

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of
nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide
bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of
the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an
Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been
humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured
that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to
move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I
don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and
fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that
his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your
heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and
other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you guessed it - - - I
don't care ! ! ! ! !
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 08:43 pm
I usually spell it Coran. I don't care either.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 09:08 pm
I'm pretty sure that's a countertop. And I do care, if someone pisses on my countertop.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2006 08:07 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Your definition of "the left" and "screaming" seems to vary at will.


Indeed. Such is often the case with this kind of political "debate": keep your opponents as abstract as possible. You can assign whatever flaws you want to them, and then chastise them for it. And when you are confronted with counterexamples, just claim that those weren't the opponents you were talking about. Because the opponents are abstract, they can't fight back. It makes debating easy.
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