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Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy.

 
 
Sofia
 
Reply Fri 9 May, 2003 07:22 pm
Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy

by William Kristol and Robert Kagan

Reprinted by permission of Foreign Affairs, July/August 1996.

Copyright 1996 by the Council on Foreign Relations, Inc.



THE TEPID CONSENSUS

IN FOREIGN policy, conservatives are adrift. They disdain the Wilsonian multilateralism of the Clinton administration; they are tempted by, but so far have resisted, the neoisolationism of Patrick Buchanan; for now, they lean uncertainly on some version of the conservative "realism" of Henry Kissinger and his disciples. Thus, in this year's election campaign, they speak vaguely of replacing Clinton's vacillation with a steady, "adult" foreign policy under Robert Dole. But Clinton has not vacillated that much recently, and Dole was reduced a few weeks ago to asserting, in what was heralded as a major address, that there really are differences in foreign policy between him and the president, appearances to the contrary notwithstanding. But the fault is not Dole's; in truth, there has been little attempt to set forth the outlines of a conservative view of the world and America's proper role in it.

Is such an attempt necessary, or even possible? For the past few years, Americans, from the foreign policy big-thinker to the man on the street, have assumed it is not. Rather, this is supposed to be a time for unshouldering the vast responsibilities the United States acquired at the end of the Second World War and for concentrating its energies at home. The collapse of the Soviet Empire has made possible a "return to normalcy" in American foreign and defense policy, allowing the adoption of a more limited definition of the national interest, with a commensurate reduction in overseas involvement and defense spending.

Republicans and conservatives at first tended to be wary of this new post-Cold War consensus. But they joined it rapidly after 1992, in the wake of the defeat of the quintessential "foreign policy president" by a candidate who promised to focus "like a laser" on the domestic economy. Now conservatives tailor their foreign and defense policies to fit the presumed new political reality: an American public that is indifferent, if not hostile, to foreign policy and commitments abroad, more interested in balancing the budget than in leading the world, and more intent on cashing in the "peace dividend" than on spending to deter and fight future wars. Most conservatives have chosen to acquiesce in rather than challenge this public mood.

In a way, the current situation is reminiscent of the mid-1970s. But Ronald Reagan mounted a bold challenge to the tepid consensus of that era - a consensus that favored accommodation to and coexistence with the Soviet Union, accepted the inevitability of America's declining power, and considered any change in the status quo either too frightening or too expensive. Proposing a controversial vision of ideological and strategic victory over the forces of international communism, Reagan called for an end to complacency in the face of the Soviet threat, large increases in defense spending, resistance to communist advances in the Third World, and greater moral clarity and purpose in U.S. foreign policy. He championed American exceptionalism when it was deeply unfashionable. Perhaps most significant, he refused to accept the limits on American power imposed by the domestic political realities that others assumed were fixed.

Many smart people regarded Reagan with scorn or alarm. Liberal Democrats still reeling from the Vietnam War were, of course, appalled by his zealotry. So were many of Reagan's fellow Republicans, especially the Kissingerian realists then dominant in foreign affairs. Reagan declared war on his own party, took on Gerald Ford for the 1976 Republican presidential nomination (primarily over issues of foreign policy), and trained his guns on Kissinger, whose stewardship of U.S. foreign policy, he charged, had "coincided precisely with the loss of U.S. military supremacy." Although Reagan lost the battle to unseat Ford, he won the fight at the Republican convention for a platform plank on "morality in foreign policy." Ultimately, he succeeded in transforming the Republican party, the conservative movement in America, and, after his election to the presidency in 1980, the country and the world.

BENEVOLENT HEGEMONY

TWENTY YEARS later, it is time once again to challenge an indifferent America and a confused American conservatism. Today's lukewarm consensus about America's reduced role in a post-Cold War world is wrong. Conservatives should not accede to it; it is bad for the country and, incidentally, bad for conservatism. Conservatives will not be able to govern America over the long term if they fail to offer a more elevated vision of America's international role.

What should that role be? Benevolent global hegemony. Having defeated the "evil empire," the United States enjoys strategic and ideological predominance. The first objective of U.S. foreign policy should be to preserve and enhance that predominance by strengthening America's security, supporting its friends, advancing its interests, and standing up for its principles around the world.

The aspiration to benevolent hegemony might strike some as either hubristic or morally suspect. But a hegemon is nothing more or less than a leader with preponderant influence and authority over all others in its domain. That is America's position in the world today. The leaders of Russia and China understand this. At their April summit meeting, Boris Yeltsin and Jiang Zemin joined in denouncing "hegemonism" in the post-Cold War world. They meant this as a complaint about the United States. It should be taken as a compliment and a guide to action.

Consider the events of just the past six months, a period that few observers would consider remarkable for its drama on the world stage. In East Asia, the carrier task forces of the U.S. Seventh Fleet helped deter Chinese aggression against democratic Taiwan, and the 35,000 American troops stationed in South Korea helped deter a possible invasion by the rulers in Pyongyang. In Europe, the United States sent 20,000 ground troops to implement a peace agreement in the former Yugoslavia, maintained 100,000 in Western Europe as a symbolic commitment to European stability and security, and intervened diplomatically to prevent the escalation of a conflict between Greece and Turkey. In the Middle East, the United States maintained the deployment of thousands of soldiers and a strong naval presence in the Persian Gulf region to deter possible aggression by Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Islamic fundamentalist regime in Iran, and it mediated in the conflict between Israel and Syria in Lebanon. In the Western Hemisphere, the United States completed the withdrawal of 15,000 soldiers after restoring a semblance of democratic government in Haiti and, almost without public notice, prevented a military coup in Paraguay. In Africa, a U.S. expeditionary force rescued Americans and others trapped in the Liberian civil conflict.

These were just the most visible American actions of the past six months, and just those of a military or diplomatic nature. During the same period, the United States made a thousand decisions in international economic forums, both as a government and as an amalgam of large corporations and individual entrepreneurs, that shaped the lives and fortunes of billions around the globe. America influenced both the external and internal behavior of other countries through the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Through the United Nations, it maintained sanctions on rogue states such as Libya, Iran, and Iraq. Through aid programs, the United States tried to shore up friendly democratic regimes in developing nations. The enormous web of the global economic system, with the United States at the center, combined with the pervasive influence of American ideas and culture, allowed Americans to wield influence in many other ways of which they were entirely unconscious. The simple truth of this era was stated last year by a Serb leader trying to explain Slobodan Milosevic's decision to finally seek rapprochement with Washington. "As a pragmatist," the Serbian politician said, "Milosevic knows that all satellites of the United States are in a better position than those that are not satellites."

And America's allies are in a better position than those who are not its allies. Most of the world's major powers welcome U.S. global involvement and prefer America's benevolent hegemony to the alternatives. Instead of having to compete for dominant global influence with many other powers, therefore, the United States finds both the Europeans and the Japanese -- after the United States, the two most powerful forces in the world -- supportive of its world leadership role. Those who anticipated the dissolution of these alliances once the common threat of the Soviet Union disappeared have been proved wrong. The principal concern of America's allies these days is not that it will be too dominant but that it will withdraw.

Somehow most Americans have failed to notice that they have never had it so good. They have never lived in a world more conducive to their fundamental interests in a liberal international order, the spread of freedom and democratic governance, an international economic system of free-market capitalism and free trade, and the security of Americans not only to live within their own borders but to travel and do business safely and without encumbrance almost anywhere in the world. Americans have taken these remarkable benefits of the post-Cold War era for granted, partly because it has all seemed so easy. Despite misguided warnings of imperial overstretch, the United States has so far exercised its hegemony without any noticeable strain, and it has done so despite the fact that Americans appear to be in a more insular mood than at any time since before the Second World War. The events of the last six months have excited no particular interest among Americans and, indeed, seem to have been regarded with the same routine indifference as breathing and eating.

And that is the problem. The most difficult thing to preserve is that which does not appear to need preserving. The dominant strategic and ideological position the United States now enjoys is the product of foreign policies and defense strategies that are no longer being pursued. Americans have come to take the fruits of their hegemonic power for granted. During the Cold War, the strategies of deterrence and containment worked so well in checking the ambitions of America's adversaries that many American liberals denied that our adversaries had ambitions or even, for that matter, that America had adversaries. Today the lack of a visible threat to U.S. vital interests or to world peace has tempted Americans to absentmindedly dismantle the material and spiritual foundations on which their national well-being has been based. They do not notice that potential challengers are deterred before even contemplating confrontation by their overwhelming power and influence.

The ubiquitous post-Cold War question -- where is the threat? -- is thus misconceived. In a world in which peace and American security depend on American power and the will to use it, the main threat the United States faces now and in the future is its own weakness. American hegemony is the only reliable defense against a breakdown of peace and international order. The appropriate goal of American foreign policy, therefore, is to preserve that hegemony as far into the future as possible. To achieve this goal, the United States needs a neo-Reaganite foreign policy of military supremacy and moral confidence.

THREE IMPERATIVES

SETTING FORTH the broad outlines of such a foreign policy is more important for the moment than deciding the best way to handle all the individual issues that have preoccupied U.S. policymakers and analysts. Whether or not the United States continues to grant most-favored-nation status to China is less important than whether it has an overall strategy for containing, influencing, and ultimately seeking to change the regime in Beijing. Whether NATO expands this year or five years from now is less important than whether NATO remains strong, active, cohesive, and under decisive American leadership. Whether America builds 20 B-2 bombers or 3 is less important than giving its military planners enough money to make intelligent choices that are driven more by strategic than by budget requirements. But it is clear that a neo-Reaganite foreign policy would have several implications.

The defense budget. Republicans declared victory last year when they added $ 7 billion to President Clinton's defense budget. But the hard truth is that Washington -- now spending about $ 260 billion per year on defense -- probably needs to spend about $ 60-$ 80 billion more each year in order to preserve America's role as global hegemon. The United States currently devotes about three percent of its GNP to defense. U.S. defense planners, who must make guesses about a future that is impossible to predict with confidence, are increasingly being forced to place all their chips on one guess or another. They are being asked to predict whether the future is likely to bring more conflicts like the Gulf War or peacekeeping operations like those in Bosnia and Haiti, or more great-power confrontations similar to the Cold War. The best answer to these questions is: who can tell? The odds are that in the coming decades America may face all these kinds of conflict, as well as some that have yet to be imagined.

For the past few years, American military supremacy has been living off a legacy, specifically, the legacy of Ronald Reagan. As former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell once noted, it was Reagan's military, built in the 1980s to deter the Soviet Union, that won the war against Iraq. No serious analyst of American military capabilities today doubts that the defense budget has been cut much too far to meet America's responsibilities to itself and to world peace. The United States may no longer have the wherewithal to defend against threats to America's vital interests in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East, much less to extend America's current global preeminence well into the future.

The current readiness of U.S. forces is in decline, but so is their ability to maintain an advantage in high-technology weapons over the coming decades. In the search for some way to meet extensive strategic requirements with inadequate resources, defense planners have engaged in strategic fratricide. Those who favor current readiness have been pitted against those who favor high-tech research and development; those who favor maintaining American forward deployment at bases around the world have been arrayed against those who insist that for the sake of economizing the job be accomplished at long range without bases. The military is forced to choose between army combat divisions and the next generation of bombers, between lift capacities and force projection, between short-range and long-range deterrence. Constructing a military force appropriate to a nation's commitments and its resources is never an easy task, and there are always limits that compel difficult choices. But today's limits are far too severe; the choices they compel are too dramatic; and because military strategy and planning are far from exact sciences, the United States is dangerously cutting its margin for error.

The defense budget crisis is now at hand. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General John Shalikashvili has complained that the weapons procurement budget has been reduced to perilously low levels, and he has understated the problem. Since 1985, the research and development budget has been cut by 57 percent; the procurement budget has been cut 71 percent. Both the Clinton administration and the Republican Congress have achieved budget savings over the next few years by pushing necessary procurement decisions into the next century. The Clinton administration's so-called "Bottom-Up Review" of U.S. defense strategy has been rightly dismissed by Democrats like Senate Armed Services Committee member Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) as "already inadequate to the present and certainly to the future." Both the General Accounting Office and the Congressional Budget Office have projected a shortfall of $ 50 billion to $ 100 billion over the next five years in funding just for existing force levels and procurement plans.



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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 06:38 pm
A few comments about this paper.

1. In the 80s, Reaganite policies scared the hell out of the world. It was not nice to think about Armageddon. I don't know if it was the Reagan administration, but during his tenure, many of us found out the Soviet empire had no clothes. I may like Brzezinsky's line of analysis, but surely Soviet power was overestimated: during the Carter years, there was really a sense of American decadence... and it was the Soviet system that was crumbling.

2. Kristol and Kagan's analysis ratify to me that the Clinton administration did a good foreign policy job. In 1992-2000, the US was truly a benevolent hegemon.

3. Today, many question the adjective "benevolent".
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 10:29 pm
fbaezer--

I apreciated your comments.

Seeing Reagan through the eyes of a waffling Democrat, at the time, I was afraid his rhetoric would get us into trouble, rather than strengthen us.

He had, what I viewed as, very harsh domestic policies (which he forwarded at a really rough time for Americans, right after the hits we took by the Carter economy)--and a very tough, aggressive foreign policy.

Hindsight is very valuable. Had the USSR been stronger, Reagan's foreign policy could've backfired on us. As weakened as they were, however, it seems Reagan was the right man for the right time. He pushed them when their backs were against the wall. I was young during that time, and my contemporaries nor I knew the USSR was not the Big Bear we'd always heard they were. As you suggested, I guess not many people knew...

It was frightening for us.

Your comments about international perception of Clinton having presided over a benevolent American period are noteworthy. Many Americans felt that Clinton's lack of attention to some military matters, purportedly for the sake of not appearing too aggressive, led to the weaknesses which gave opportunity to 911.

Sidenote about Reagan/Bush II-- The 'Evil Empire' and 'Axis of Evil ' comments BOTH caused me to gasp audibly. Bush II reminds me very much of Reagan, domestic policies excluded.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 11:08 pm
Just a couple thoughts here ... The Soviet Union, IMO, was well into inevitable decline by the late Nineteen Fifties. They simply lost the economic race, and the final collapse and dissolution in '89 was the plain result of their mismanagement of their resources and the squanderinhg of their treasure in a futile attempt to match The US militarily. The entire Soviet Bloc was a consruct held together by a myth, a myth challenged in Hungary in the 'Fifties, in Czekoslovakia in The Sixties, a myth which evaporated in The Eighties. Had Reagan NOT been as forceful and adamant as he was, the Soviet Union likely would have plodded on for a few decades, possibly even devolving into something rather like contemporary North Korea. I have serious reservations about much of Clinton's Foreign Policy, finding in its arbitrary irresoluteness foundation for much of today's geopolitical debacle. That's just the way I see it.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 10:58 pm
timberlandko wrote:
The Soviet Union, IMO, was well into inevitable decline by the late Nineteen Fifties. They simply lost the economic race, and the final collapse and dissolution in '89 was the plain result of their mismanagement of their resources and the squanderinhg of their treasure in a futile attempt to match The US militarily. The entire Soviet Bloc was a consruct held together by a myth, a myth challenged in Hungary in the 'Fifties, in Czekoslovakia in The Sixties, a myth which evaporated in The Eighties.


"A consruct held together by a myth" is good, and I'd agree completely with your charaterisation. Perhaps I'd date the decline a little later, late sixties perhaps - for the reason alone that the sixties may have been the only time that there was some actual joie de vivre for the common man in the S-U, some rudimentary sense of hope, after the destalinisation had at least ended genocidal policies and the lengthy post-war reconstruction made way for some form of relative well-being on household economy level. There's a huge difference between, say, 1953 and 1967, in terms of prosperity. After Khruschev left and Prague '68 it would definitely have been all the way down, though, yes.

(Still, it is hard to determine 'when it went wrong'. I would hate to see Stalin's rule as any way the 'highpoint' of the Soviet Union's competitiveness, considering how he brought to the country to near-selfdestruction. Basically, of course, it 'went wrong' in 1918, period - but then, looking at pre-WW1 Russia, you'd have to agree it never was right, in the first place ... It's like looking into cut glass - any specific time you look at, things were plain bad, but at the same time there's this huge differences over time that would be denied if you'd left it at that ...)

timberlandko wrote:
Had Reagan NOT been as forceful and adamant as he was, the Soviet Union likely would have plodded on for a few decades, possibly even devolving into something rather like contemporary North Korea.


Actually, North Korea, for all its disastrous poverty economics, is a very strong state in one single respect: in the stranglehold the regime seems to hold over the population. This would be a serious difference with the Soviet Union. As you already pointed out, in the various Soviet Bloc countries "the myth was challenged" time after time: '53, '56, '68, '80 ... Considering the way the SU was disintegrating from within by stagnation and mismanagement, one could think that it would have been increasingly less able to restore its stranglehold on the Eastern European countries even if Reagan hadnt also pushed onto it from the outside. And whenever it would have failed, the dissident movement within Russia, that seems to have no parallel in the DPRK either, would have been boosted too. All in all I agree the S-U itself would still perhaps have plodded on for a decade more even if the Warsaw Pact wouldnt have, but hardly with anything like the absolutist repressive grip of a North-Korea. The communists would have been very lucky to get something like current-day's China.

There's another way, also, to nuance the DPRK parallel, as well as the importance of Reagan's foreign policy. Gorbachev started reforming almost from the very start, at least partially also from a personal conviction that the system needed to be reinvigorated. It was never his intention to end communism, let alone the S-U, of course, but he did seem intent enough on reforming the system, and would have tried, more carefully perhaps, without Reagan too. And the fact that Gorbachev could emerge on top, in itself, indicates a difference between the CPSU of the 80s and the DPRK regime now (which seems more like a family clan version of Stalinism), and suggests that someone else might have emerged in time to do so if he hadn't.

Now it is my belief that the system was so ridden by contradictions, it would have gradually imploded upon any serious attempt at such reform in any case. The only way the centrifugal forces any moderate reform would have set free could still be stopped with would have been a military clampdown - and the half-hearted attempts in Vilnius, Riga and Moscow in 1990-1991 suggest the regime wasn't fully capable (or willing) to enforce one anymore either.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 11:17 pm
Before reading nimh's post, I understood Timber's parallel between North Korea and a lingering Soviet Union as being an outcasts with nuclear capability-- but I enjoyed nimh's treatment of the deeper differences.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 05:40 am
I may well have read way too much in his post; I tend to do that. I also got totally tangled up in mine; redrafted it three times and still am not sure what my main point was.

Thing is, weighing to which extent this or that element played a part (in the collapse of the S-U) in relationship to each other immediately necessitates a "what would have happened if" question - if not Reagan but Carter had been US president, if the S-U would have been 'free' to spend more of its resources on non-military budgets (would it have?), if Gorbachev hadnt become the new secretary-general, et cetera. That is all speculation, and in terms of speculating there's an awful lot of variables there. All one can comfortably say is which elements did play a significant role - obviously, both reformism within the CPSU, civic dissent in the Eastern Bloc and Reagan's adamant foreign policy; while the place I tried to be going - which was the determining one - is in the end too unlit a one.

It all depends on where you start, for one. Much of what I wrote about how, once Gorbachev started perestrojka, the process more or less inevitably would have led to an implosion in any case (anyone mention dialectics here? Embarrassed), goes for starting point 1985. Easy counterargument would be that, if the spending race hadnt gotten the S-U into such trouble by 1985 already, Gorbachev would never have had his 1985 chance in the first place. Counterargument to that, again, would include a reference to the cul-de-sac where the CPSU bureaucrats ended up in after Brezhnev's death, voting in one 'safe' old apparatchik after another (Andropov, Chernenko) only to see him die on them within the year or so - suggesting Gorbachev would have gotten his chance, in any case, as a consequence of the internal rot of the party rather than the outside pressure.

Same kind of questions abound if you do take 1985 as starting point. If Mondale or Dole had been president at the time or in the years previous, would Gorbachev still feel necessitated to embark on reform? I think so. Would any of the glasnost he attempted - primarily to drive the conservative communists in a corner - have automatically set the centrifugal forces free that would disintegrate ideology and central control? I think so. Would he have clamped down? There's the rub - that's the big question. He had no qualms in having Georgian insurrectionism quashed in '88. Why did he back down in the Baltic states two years later? Because he realised it was already too late? That properly quashing the independence movements there - also considering the support they enjoyed among the Moscow opposition - would really require a re-imposition of orthodox Soviet control, spelling an end to his reform project, for which by that time he'd already given up all of Eastern Europe? He didn't seem ready for that, though some say he was ready for such a draconic step by 1991, when he seemed resigned in the face of the hardliner's bumbling coup.

Would he have clamped down earlier in the Baltics, when it still could have been done, perhaps, without a drastic reimposition of orthodox communism, and a muddling Soviet Union might still have been saved, if there hadn't been such a stern onlooker at the Western front? Perhaps it was indeed his eagerness to deal with the West about disarmament that kept him from clamping down when he still could when internal dissent spiralled out of control. Alternatively, perhaps the way he seemed to be overtaken by events, driven forth on a stream of reformist demands he had unleashed but lost control over - a stream he tried to stem but without the stomach to do so with any acute force - was merely the consequence of his own personal tragedy, independent from any Western pressure. Courageous enough to see the need for change and attempt it, but too locked in his loyalties to foresee where it eventually would have to end. Who knows?

I do know that I write about all this with a strange sense of nostalgia - I followed this story with such intensity, back in, say, 1988 to 1995. Would buy the Moscow Times and the Baltic Independent in Amsterdam every week. (Now I struggle to get even the basic facts right, to remember any of the greater detail, which has dissolved into a haze of generalisations in my head - which makes me feel rather ashamed.) I was fiercely critical of Gorbachev then, impatient, distrustful. In hindsight it was a period of great hope, of course, hope later squandered by Yeltsin (though he (too) was an underestimated change-enforcer); while now, looking at Putin's sanitized criticism-free democracy-between-quotation-marks, one would long back for any of the public debate, critical evaluation, civic courage and political activism Gorbachev allowed to blossom ...

In the end, we shouldn't underestimate the power of individuals either. I have to strongly conditionalise what I wrote above about how, if Gorbachev hadnt surfaced on top, "someone else might have emerged in time" to do what he did. That's a "might", indeed: other new leaders might have tackled reform or stabilisation in wholly different ways. I don't think the Soviet Union could have ended up an "outcast with nukes" - too big. I also would suppose that the CPSU wouldn't have gotten away, in the end, with the Chinese post-Tienanmen scenario - backing off from any further political reform and trying an economic approach to modernising the country instead. China didnt have to lug around a Warsaw Pact, and the avalanche that met even the slightest opening in the Central European countries suggests such a kind of 'controlled reform' would definitely not have been feasible there. But who knows - the S-U might have ended up dumping its WP colonies and continuing in the current Chinese way by itself. For example. The "if not Gorbachev" game really is too much speculation, probably ;-).
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 11:03 am
IMO, Gorbachev HAD to happen. Rather than an individual who santed change, he represented a whole generation of Soviet citizens: the ones that were born after the October Revolution, did not fight the Great War and were more sophisticated than their Bolshevik elders (if one gets to read a few excerpts of the memoirs of Brezhnev, one is amazed at the flatness of his thoughts).
Some of his authoritarian-leaning critics say that his big mistake was to make simultaneous moves in perestrojka and glasnost. They believe perestrojka should have come first, and that a fast glasnost weakened the Soviet social tissue. I personally think perestrojka would have been a big simulation with less glasnost, and that the nomenklatura would not have let him go further.

About North Korea:

I believe there is a big difference between North Korea and most Communist experiments.
North Korea has relied less in Marxism and more in the "Suché" idea: "Do it by Ourselves", a mixture of Nationalism and oriental despotism. They have a gigantic monument to the "Suché idea", and I don't know of any with the hammer and sickle.
North Korea has always been considered an outlier in the world Communist culture. The source of many jokes among the "Red Set". They are liked by no one.

---

A Cuban good friend of mine -a humoristic composer, who lives in Mexico, but has managed, so far, to be accepted in Cuba as a "critic within the Revolution"- told me about the time when he went to North Korea, as a member of an "artistic exchange". The North Koreans hosts asked him about his line of work.
-"I work with humor" -he answered.
-"Ah! We have already surpassed the humor stage in our road to Communism" -replied the North Korean, with a very very small condescending grin.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 14 May, 2003 01:40 pm
<giggles>
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