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Do *ANY* creationists understand evolution?

 
 
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 11:06 am
@Setanta,
Yep. And you will never ave to remind me of RL. He left A2K pretty shamed when too many of his predictions on the 2008 election proved wrong.

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 11:14 am
@Diest TKO,
Looks like he found out what real life is all about.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 12:03 pm
@Diest TKO,
I didn't think about that--so his gotzendammerung was political as opposed to religious, huh?
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2009 01:27 pm
@Setanta,
I think he tired of the religious threads long ago and decided to try and fly only on his right wing. Splat.
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theMadOne
 
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Reply Sat 9 May, 2009 11:42 am
@rosborne979,
Evolutionists don't understand it!
Most Creationists don't understand Creation, either!

It's a Mad World! Heh!
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 10:00 am
@theMadOne,
theMadOne wrote:
Evolutionists don't understand it!

You must be Mad Wink The whole reason evolution exists at all is because people do understand it.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 07:16 pm
@rosborne979,
Evolution scientists wouldn't understand how he managed to survive and the Neanderthals didn't -- must be that confounding unnatural selection.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 07:55 pm
I was listening to a podcast the other day in which they referenced some studies which show no correlation between Creationism and any lack of understanding of Evolution. Unfortunately, I can't locate (or remember) what study they referenced. But I don't believe that study, whatever it is.

Our little A2K study here on this thread has failed to turn up even one Creationist who has demonstrated even a rudimentary understanding of evolution. The closest we've come is Intrepid, but he's not a Creationist in the classic sense, he seems to be more of a theistic evolutionist or something along those lines.

The fundamental difference with Creationists (YEC's in particular) is that their beliefs are in direct conflict with physical evidence and scientific knowledge. It is this level of disconnect from reality that I believe can not be reconciled against any understanding of evolutionary theory.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 08:13 pm
@rosborne979,
There's virtually nothing to understand about Creationism other than reading Genesis and believing it. How can anyone expect the tiny amount of brain power within the capability of an eight-year-old to have the capacity to understand evolution? Starting with the fact that they believe evolution is something that explains organic life on Earth and there was no process of evolution before that. Of course, Earth didn't evolve from rotating gasses, it just popped up out of nowhere. Much like they would believe that David Copperfield actually did walk through the Great Wall of China because they know it's a trick. A crazy bit of reasoning but an apt description.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 08:48 pm
@rosborne979,
Quote:
difference with Creationists (YEC's in particular) is that their beliefs are in direct conflict with physical evidence and scientific knowledge
. Ive been satisfied that several of the guns of Creationism and ID DO understand the process of evolution and its modus , natural selection. They merely deny the evidence. In order to deny the evidence these guys have to understand the points of their denial.

I was often amazed at how the ole timer "Real Life" would recite many tenets of evolution and then(nodoubt from a careful reading of literature of "Creation Scientists") hed pose an alternative (usually ridiculous) explanation to the very evidence.

Remember his argument about "fossils on a mountaintop" is evidence of a flood? That even disputes Da Vinci's explanations of the European massif as presented in his LEICESTER CODEX
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 06:51 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I was often amazed at how the ole timer "Real Life" would recite many tenets of evolution and then(nodoubt from a careful reading of literature of "Creation Scientists") hed pose an alternative (usually ridiculous) explanation to the very evidence.

I was never completely convinced that RL understood evolution, or that he was really a Creationist for that matter. He straddled the fence so often that I sometimes wondered if he simply liked to debate.

As for the "professional" Creationists who are paid by the DI just to push an agenda, I don't count them as true Creationists unless in their heart of hearts they think Eve was really talking to a snake about a forbidden fruit (the dreaded Apple).
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 09:06 am
@rosborne979,
There are scholars who believe the forbidden fruit was an apricot or a fig, or even an olive, not an apple. I guess we might end up with a tour of Whole Foods produce department before they actually decide. If it was a fig, yuck, I wouldn't have eaten it. My Grandmother had a fig tree and tried to get me to taste one -- I took one bite and rejected it because of the slimy texture and they are way too sweet.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 18 May, 2009 05:17 pm
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:
There are scholars who believe the forbidden fruit was an apricot or a fig, or even an olive, not an apple.

Since the whole story of Adam and Eve is obviously a fable, I guess they can make up whatever fruit they want because the whole thing never really happened anyway.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 18 May, 2009 07:53 pm
@rosborne979,
Date would be another good guess except that would be a palm tree and they would needed to have invented a ladder. Unless knowledge just let loose and hit them on the head. I hate date malts.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 18 May, 2009 08:03 pm
@Lightwizard,
The Wahring blender was invented about 4004 BC . Only problem was that they had no place to plug it in. DATE MALTS. JEEZUS CHRISE. I always thought that butterscotch malts were the sweetest thing maded by Homo sapiens
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 18 May, 2009 08:05 pm
@Diest TKO,
Did RL make predictions on the election? I only followed his evolution v Creation thoughts.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 08:32 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:
Yep. And you will never ave to remind me of RL. He left A2K pretty shamed when too many of his predictions on the 2008 election proved wrong.

I thought he left because he couldn't 'adapt' to the new A2K format. He was only capable of micro-evolution, not macro-evolution . Smile
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 09:41 am
@farmerman,
Date shakes can be bought at a store specializing in this sickening sweet fruit on the was to Palm Springs by the Riverside:

Grab lunch at Keedy's Fountain & Grill (73-633 Highway 111; 760-346-6492), a throwback soda fountain recognized by the city as a local landmark. It's been in business since 1957 and has all the old-fashioned fixings: yellow Formica counters, apron-clad waitresses who call customers "Hon" and straightforward burgers ($4.29) that wash down well with a chocolate malted ($4.25) or a thickdate shake ($4.59). Keedy's bills itself as `'a blast from the past," but it makes concessions to the present with the TV's mounted behind the counter, tuned fittingly to the Golf Channel.

-from Palm Springs Adventure, Art Davis

If Adam and Eve indulged in this fruit, their blood sugar would be stratospheric so they were banished from paradise for being hyper-active, but, of course, during sex.
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theMadOne
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 10:59 am
@rosborne979,
Really?
It can't help ANYONE understand how -

Billions of cells, made of
countless billions of molecules,
made of countless trillions of atoms,
made of countless trillions and more
trillions of sub-atomic particles.
All arranged to co-operate together
in systems- muscles, skeletons, organs,
nervous systems, etc, and designed in
a manner allowing them to exist in
different environments.
Thus, all living things are complex
beyond full comprehension!

The odds are infinitly better for you
or I to go to the store every day for
a long lifetime, and to hit the big
jackpot EACH and EVERY TIME.

Modern technology, with centuries of
science behind it, is FINALLY able to
make some crude robots, based on the
design of biology.

It would be FAR more credible that these
robots (such as the wacaru by
Mitusbishi- pardon my spelling) could
build themselves than to swallow the
Dogma of Evolution!
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2009 11:02 am
@theMadOne,
TMO, please consult previous posts from others whove used about the same schpiehl. If you dont understand, or are mentally unable to comprehend, try not to stand in the way, unless you conjer up some credible cooment
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