"Genetic Death": The Evolution Meat Grinder

He prefers the slow suicide of seeking surcease of thought at the local. Pints=oblivion.

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spendius wrote:

Setanta wrote-

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You jokers are talkin' way over my head, but i appreciate that you post information to which most of us would not otherwise have access without a difficult search process.

It's a private technobabble prowess competition.

Actually, no, I was giving you a taste of your own medicine.

See what I did there? It was somewhat relevant to the topic, but not relevant enough. I gave you the information on how to do some of the experiments discussed here, but you know, not that relevant and could have clearly been put into a different topic.

It's what you do. You didn't like it when we did it to you, did you? So why do we have to put up with your babble?

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These anti-IDer's assertive aggression demands a regular fix of that sort of thing. You don't need to know what's going on on the surface like you don't in a Chess Champion's ****-kicking set to. It separates the wheat from the chaff. It's a derivation of the "biggest dong" competition and it impresses ladies who need to be kept in a manner their parents have foolishly allowed them to become accustomed to. It a "biggest salary expectations" competition. Dongs don't count anymore or dreamy poetic eyes.

Or a version of "You're safe in our technological wizard's hands".

All angry assumptions with no proof backing them up.

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Wolf wrote-

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It's what you do. You didn't like it when we did it to you, did you? So why do we have to put up with your babble?

Boolsheet!

I like everything on A2K. When am I supposed to have not liked something you think you have done to me?

In what way is this technobabble related to Gunga's seminal post. That's the topic.

I don't know what your complaining about. It's normal for aggressive,self-asserting anti-IDers to show off. Are you saying it's not about tupping. I thought this whole thing was about that.

There were no "angry assumptions". It's like Bob Dylan said- "Keep a clean head and always carry a lightbulb."

A bit sardonic maybe-I'll allow that.

Oh-BTW. JK Galbraith, an expert at the sardonic,died last week. I'm in 3 out of 10 mourning.

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spendius wrote:

I like everything on A2K. When am I supposed to have not liked something you think you have done to me?

In what way is this technobabble related to Gunga's seminal post. That's the topic.

In what way is your talk of the effect of ID on society in those other posts relevant to the other ID threads?

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There were no "angry assumptions". It's like Bob Dylan said- "Keep a clean head and always carry a lightbulb."

I read the tone behind that paragraph. About four or so sentences saying the exact same thing. You can't read sarcasm into that.

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Wolf (to Spendi) wrote:

It's what you do. You didn't like it when we did it to you, did you? So why do we have to put up with your babble?

Akshully, Wolf, I think you really missed something somewhere along the line; spendi loves the attention he gets here - its what drives his participation. He's really far less interested in substantively addressing any topic (and noticeably disinclined to do so) than in stirring up the mob and getting the focus shifted from the topic onto himself. Its something he does well, and no doubt a great source of pleasure for him.

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I'm in showbiz aren't I timber?

Just like everybody else. Like you are timber when you're lecturing on arcane scientific issues of fundamental importance and you have your audience of wannabbee poshy-style self improvers mesmerised into quietude and you feel an air-biscuit on the launch pad and you ease it out soundlessly so that only you are a party to it. That's showbiz.

I visited a farm yesterday and they had two peacocks up on an old cabin roof in full display mode. Maybe I was unconsciously influenced.

But I have tried to point you all at Gunga's post and all my efforts on here have it in mind especially that stuff about the Evolution Theory / Hitler connection. Hitler would have felt quite comfortable with all this technobabble stuff. In fact he would probably have beamed a big smile.
Gunga and I would be shipped out to the Eastern Front. We are the only two on topic. Which is,for those who can't read properly, one Kuhn made about the possibility of science severing all logical connections with the past and thus traditional values. The Dover result being one small step for mankind along such a road. fm and Wolf oneupmanning each other is decidedly off topic. In fact that is the topic's funeral.

Is it a sore point or something?

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fm wrote-

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These three starst conveniently do a dance that aligns them vertically 2 times a day.

You see timber. Five formative years of that and the kids have a new meaning for "dance". That's severing connections with the past. You couldn't get much further than that from the true meaning of "dance" than have stars doing one now could you.

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You couldn't get much further than that from the true meaning of "dance" than have stars doing one now could you.

There is no poetry in the man, more's the pity.

Joe(accept no substitutes)Nation

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Joe-

A metaphor is supposed to point to at least a shred of similarity. There obviously isn't much poetry in your ideas unless you are one of those who sat idly by when "gay" was stolen from the happy carefree and handed over to the miserable careworn.

Try talking to some kids.

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Gunga wrote in the topic guidelines-

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, 30 people have to die without heirs.

And the word "dance" dies under the tutelage of fm and Joe. And these stars only look like they do from this particular position of earth. From the other end they might be at opposite ends of the sky.

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BTW-

If you Google Kuhn the 5th entry is an outline and study guide of Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Professor Frank Pajares of Emory University, Atlanta.

It is quite interesting especially for those who seek to be able 2 know and are interested in asking an expert.

It goes without saying that little benefit accrues if it is speed read.

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The moment you can't defend your position you compare us to Hitler and Nazis. That's what the hated "liberals" are supposed to do, Spendi.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

The moment you can't defend your position you compare us to Hitler and Nazis. That's what the hated "liberals" are supposed to do, Spendi.

As far as this thread goes, it was Gunga who first invoked Godwin's Law - in the very first post of the thread, the topic starter. In simple terms, Godwin's Law more or less amounts to "An internet discussion participant with no argument or substantive, topical commentary to present, will bring in Hitler and/or the Nazi's".

Since that's where this topic started, it had no downhill to go for - spendi's Godwinistic contributions represent only an attempt to return to the discussion's baseline.

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Not at all Wolf. Gunga made the point that Darwin's theories lead to certain intellectual justifications and hence to certain social consequences.

Even Darwin was aware of that.

I deny comparing you to Hitler. I know what sweet innocents you are. Hitler would have found another way but what music evolution theory must have been to his ears as it is to the ears of others operating in different fields.

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In what way is your talk of the effect of ID on society in those other posts relevant to the other ID threads?

All talk about ID and anti-ID is reducible to talk about religion versus science and that may be reducible to talk about freedom within the conflicting demands of society or,if you like, the individual v society. Anything which sheds light on those difficulties is on topic although Kuhn warns of the dangers of specialists denying it for subjective reasons.

ID is a mere strategy in the battle. Like Blavatsky. It is an attempt,possibly vain and hopeless, to weaken science's attempt to take everything over and run things on scientific principles exclusively for those of us not at the party. Not for themselves of course.

Science has evolved like everything else. Like religion and pull-tops on beer-cans. The jury is out on whether the adaptation will be selected in under the principles of the struggle for existence. Is the human race a congenial environment for science in full sail. Or will it pass like the ancient Greek Mystery Religions have passed.(Apart from in parts of California and the racier parts of the West End I mean).

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timber wrote-

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Since that's where this topic started, it had no downhill to go for - spendi's Godwinistic contributions represent only an attempt to return to the discussion's baseline.

Hitler has nothing to do with my point. He had been mentioned. You have seen me use other people in the same way. Price gougers for example. Or the scriptwriters of Footballer's Wives; a totally unimagineable programme not many years ago. Enron execs. Gangsters.

You're a sophist. We could have timber's Law stating that-

""An internet discussion participant with no argument or substantive, topical commentary to present, will accuse anybody who mentions Hitler,or fascists,in any context, of having fallen victim to Godwin's Law."

Obviously Godwin's Law was specifically designed for this purpose. It might function correctly with those who can't whistle Yankee Doodle-Dandy whilst taking a leak but it doesn't function with me.

Hitler,and fascists,for adherents to Godwin's foolish law, are now unmentionable.

One has to wonder about that.

And Hitler,and fascism,are a part of the culture we have inherited and hence often mentioned in discussions;sometimes favourably.

Back to Kuhn. Science seeks to cut us off from the past.

You underestimate the subject. It isn't a word game. You should seek to impress people cleverer than you not those who are dumber because you have to be dumb to fall for your last post.

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An excellent reference- Spendius. I have Kuhs's book on Scientific Revolutions in my Library. I must confess that my lack of an advanced degree makes some of it difficult to understand. You seem to be quite familiar with the book. Am I correct in saying that Kuhn indicates that scientists pile up what purports to be "evidence" and then the majority agree they will ride that particular horse for a while?

I have recently been fascinated with new propositions concering the so called "big bang" which our popular media have appeared to take for granted but seems to be under revsion by other astrophysicts.

I am devastated. I thought I could put the theory of the big bang away. i find now that it is not as solid as was thought!

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I swear that spendi has the hots for me. I just caught up and I see that he's gone over to a less "controversial" thread that Bobsmythawke had started about Mag v true North.He pulled out a single line of my only contribution to that thread,to post here, and even that was Totally out of context and outside the spirit of that conversation.Is spendi morphing into the A2K stalker?

I dont know about the rest of you but I find spendis posts sort of like a hi im pact car wreck on I-95. You pass the accident scene slowly cause you cant not look and yet you are totally amazed that something could twist around and get misshapen like that.

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fm-

You have obviously never seen Benny Hill's serial pile-up movie.

Anyway-

I was following a particular line of thinking which purports to show that anti-IDers are interested in being the thought police of the future and screwing the rest of us ordinary human beings until the pips squeak and that their chosen method covers and includes such things as imagining distant,alien worlds dancing when everybody knows that dancing is smooching to a slow,smoky rhythm while licking the neck or the shoulder of an irresistable creature with whom it is hoped one might proceed to more esoteric delights.

Drive by as slowly as you like mate. I'm not shy.

To use the word "dance" in the context of stars is about as bad a metaphor as I have ever seen. It constitutes a form of making it up as you go along and hoping everybody is as thick as two short planks. It is possibly caused by avoiding all contacts with those who haven't passed the appropriate,and peer reviewed,examinations.

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These three starst conveniently do a celestial dance

Gee-how did I miss the "celestial". That's when you have a bottom cheek in each hand and are being licked back.

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Spendius- Are you familiar with a book "Criticism and the Growth of Knowledge" edited by Imre Lakatos and Alan Musgrave- Cambridge University Press? I am sure that the erudite Farmerman and Timberlandko will accuse me of "quote- mining" but since the article is quite long and I am quoting the writer's last page.

"Falsification and the Methodology of Scientific Research Programmes"

by Imre Lakatos- London School of Economics

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"The direction of science is determined primarily human creative imagination and not by the universe of facts which surround us. Creative imagination is likely to find corroborating novel evidence even for the most "absurd" programme, if the search has sufficient drive. This look-out for new confirming evidence is perfectly permissible. Scientists dream up phantasies and then pursue a highly selective hunt for new facts which fit these fantasies. This process may be described as "science creating its own universe."

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