THE US, THE UN AND IRAN

That's a pretty idiotic supposition.

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It was a rhetorical statement Set.

It would be good to get all the Iran discussion in one thread for easy access.

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I'm just wondering if everytime Israel takes shipment of arms from their allies they intend to huck a nuke at the Palestinians?

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I doubt it, but then again, Israel does not claim that Palestinians have no right to exist and have not threatened to eradicate Palestine from the map.

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Kevin Zeese: "Hawkish Israeli Lobby Wants War with Iran!"

by William Hughes
(Tuesday April 25 2006)

The Israeli Lobby, with others, helped to instigate the Iraqi War. A scholarly report, the “Harvard Study,” which was recently released, also documents the “unmatched power” of the Lobby over the national interest. Now, the Bush-Cheney Gang is targeting Iran for a pre-empted strike. Is the hawkish, hard right, pro-Israeli Lobby pushing for a war with Iran, too? Kevin Zeese, an independent candidate for U.S. Senate In MD, thinks that it is.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/29697

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... and YOUR kids to die in it.... and YOUR kids to die in it.

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Zeese is a pothead.

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[Zeese] began his advocacy career as Chief Counsel for NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, in 1980, and served as NORML's Executive Director from 1983-1986. During his time at NORML he helped stop the spraying of herbicides on marijuana in Mexico and the United States, and he became a leading advocate for the medical use of marijuana. He's since been involved in helping found such drug policy reform efforts as the Harm Reduction Coalition and the Drug Policy Foundation (later merged with other organizations into the Drug Policy Alliance), and he worked with Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke's "Mayor's Working Group on Drug Policy Reform", and the Journey for Justice, a protest march on Washington.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Zeese is a pothead.

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[Zeese] began his advocacy career as Chief Counsel for NORML, the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, in 1980, and served as NORML's Executive Director from 1983-1986. During his time at NORML he helped stop the spraying of herbicides on marijuana in Mexico and the United States, and he became a leading advocate for the medical use of marijuana. He's since been involved in helping found such drug policy reform efforts as the Harm Reduction Coalition and the Drug Policy Foundation (later merged with other organizations into the Drug Policy Alliance), and he worked with Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke's "Mayor's Working Group on Drug Policy Reform", and the Journey for Justice, a protest march on Washington.

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Wikipedia can't be trusted expressly because anyone can edit it - worse yet, anyone can edit it under the cloak of anonymity.

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candidone1 wrote:

I'm just wondering if everytime Israel takes shipment of arms from their allies they intend to huck a nuke at the Palestinians?

Apparently not, since they've had ample opportunity to do it, but have not. However, the idea that because one specific country has possessed nuclear weapons without using them, all will is false.

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Iran has right to develop civil nuclear industry: Putin

www.chinaview.cn 2006-04-27 21:53:33

Special report: Iran Nuclear Crisis

MOSCOW, April 27 (Xinhua) -- Iran has the right to develop its civil nuclear technologies and industry, Russia's President Vladimir Putin said at a joint press conference in the Siberian city of Tomsk on Thursday.

"Our position is clear and well-known. We are against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and this applies to Iran, but we believe that Iran must have an opportunity to develop advanced technologies and the nuclear power industry for civil purposes," Putin was quoted by the Itar-Tass news agency as saying, after talks with visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

As for the current standoff over Iran's nuclear program, Putin said: "A solution will be found in the course of negotiations."

"The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) must play the key role in dealing with the Iranian nuclear problem, and this issue [must not be] put on the shoulders of the UN Security Council," the Russian president said.

Russia also believed the IAEA board was the best forum to debate the Iran issue, but Merkel disagreed with Putin on this.

"It is a discussion in the IAEA, but also in the Security Council," she said.

Merkel said diplomats from the council's five permanent members plus Germany would discuss Iran in early May. Foreign ministers of those countries were also likely to meet, she said.

Their comments came on the eve of a crucial UN meeting where the IAEA is expected to report that Iran has ignored a UN deadline, which expires Friday, to stop its uranium enrichment activities.

Tehran says it needs the enriched fuel for its civilian reactor project.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-04/27/content_4483626.htm

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Iran vows to keep nuke program
Rice: Security Council must act

Thursday, April 27, 2006; Posted: 1:44 p.m. EDT (17:44 GMT)

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed Thursday that "no one" could make "the Iranian nation" give up its nuclear technology.

The United States, France and Britain say if Iran does not meet the U.N. Security Council's Friday deadline to stop enriching uranium, they will seek to make the demand compulsory.

At a NATO foreign ministers' meeting in Sofia, Bulgaria, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the credibility of the United Nations Security Council was as stake as the world body decides how to deal with Iran's likely rejection of Friday's U.N. deadline to bring its nuclear program in line with international demands.

"In order to be credible, the Security Council of course has to act," Rice told reporters.

Ahmadinejad also warned the United States and its European allies that they would regret a decision to "violate the rights of the Iranian nation."

"The Iranian nation has acquired nuclear fuel production technology. It didn't get assistance from anybody and nobody can take it back," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in western Iran Thursday.

His comments were broadcast live on state television.

Iran has rejected the Security Council's deadline.

Ahmadinejad announced earlier this month that Iran had produced enriched uranium for the first time.

Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, will report Friday on Iran's compliance with the Security Council demand.

Uranium enrichment can produce fuel for nuclear power or material for nuclear warheads.

"They must know that the Iranian nation will not give in one iota to oppression," Ahmadinejad said.

Iran tops talks among Western leaders

Iran's standoff with the West is expected to dominate talks that open Thursday between Rice and her counterparts from NATO and European Union nations even though the Iran question is not on the official agenda.

Rice said it was "pretty clear" that Iran would not meet the requirements set by the IAEA, regarding the enrichment of uranium -- a process that can produce fuel for generators or fissile material for nuclear weapons.

"The Security Council is the primary and most important institution for the maintenance of peace and stability and security and it cannot have its will and its word simply ignored by a member state," Rice said.

The alliance's Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said the issue will be discussed at an informal dinner bringing together NATO and EU nations on the sidelines of the regular spring gathering of NATO foreign ministers.

Security Council members China and Russia, who are reluctant to impose sanctions on Iran, urged all parties to not act hastily.

"We hope the relevant parties can keep calm and exercise restraint to avoid moves that would further escalate the situation," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in Siberia with German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters, "It's still too early to run ahead and say what decision we might take together."

He reiterated Russia's position in support of the nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction and Iran's right to develop nuclear energy for power generation. "Iran must have an opportunity to develop modern technologies and peaceful nuclear energy," Putin said.

Merkel also highlighted Tehran's obligations under the nonproliferation treaty.

"We are not talking about banning Iran from using nuclear energy for civilian goals, but it must keep to its obligations and agreements. And probably the report will say this clearly," Merkel said.

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Iran defiant ahead of nuclear report

Friday, April 28, 2006; Posted: 8:24 a.m. EDT (12:24 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.N.'s nuclear watchdog chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, is set to release his report on Iran's uranium enrichment program Friday, a move that could increase global tensions over how to deal with Tehran's ambitions.

Before the report's release, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Friday that his country would pay no heed to international calls to stop its nuclear program, according to Reuters.

"Those who want to prevent Iranians from obtaining their right, should know that we do not give a damn about such resolutions," Ahmadinejad said, Reuters reported, citing the state-run IRNA news agency.

Iran maintains its nuclear research is for a future civilian energy program, but the United States and other allies contend the work is a guise to hide the country's development of nuclear weapons.

Iran declared on April 11 that it had produced enriched uranium in concentrations capable of running a nuclear power plant.

The U.N. Security Council will meet informally Wednesday to discuss the contents of the International Atomic Energy Agency report, which is likely to suggest Iran has failed to comply with council requests to suspend uranium enrichment.

ElBaradei, the IAEA's director general, also was expected to say Iran has not fully answered inquiries into its nuclear work, Reuters reported.

Key members of the Security Council are at odds over the best way to respond to Iran, with differences of opinion over the use of economic and political sanctions.

Speaking Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Iran was "highly unlikely" to bow to international pressure to curb its nuclear program.

The international community "cannot have its will ignored," Rice said at a NATO ministerial meeting in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia.

On Wednesday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed to retaliate against any U.S. action, according to IRNA.

"They will suffer two times if they dare to inflict any damage on Iranian interests," Khamenei said. (Full story)

Any quick agreement by the council on what action to take seems unlikely with permanent members China and Russia opposed to using sanctions.

Both nations called Thursday for greater diplomatic efforts to be made to resolve the nuclear standoff.

"We hope the relevant parties can keep calm and exercise restraint to avoid moves that would further escalate the situation," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated Russia's position in support of the nonproliferation of weapons of mass destruction and Iran's right to develop nuclear energy for power generation.

"Iran must have an opportunity to develop modern technologies and peaceful nuclear energy," Putin said Thursday.

President Bush has said that no option is off the table in dealing with Iran, including military action.

Bush has called media coverage "wild speculation" about such action after The New Yorker magazine reported that the administration was considering a tactical nuclear strike to take out Iran's atomic program.

"All options are on the table," Bush replied when asked about the possibility of a nuclear strike. "We want to solve this issue diplomatically, and we're working hard to do so."

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McGentrix

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JERUSALEM -
Iran has received its first batch of North Korean-made surface-to-surface missiles that put European countries within firing range,
Israel's military intelligence chief said in an interview published Thursday.

Even IF Iran had such missiles, why would they use them? Europe has nuclear weapons and their own missiles after all. That is the whole point of MAD, to deter an attack by having the ability of overwhelming retaliation. Our parents got soaked for $5 trillion dollars to build and maintain a nuclear missile force to deter the Russians. Now we are supposed to calmly accept that the deterrent really never worked and that Iran is now a threat despite our vast (and costly) nuclear arsenal?

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freedom4free wrote:

McGentrix

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JERUSALEM -
Iran has received its first batch of North Korean-made surface-to-surface missiles that put European countries within firing range,
Israel's military intelligence chief said in an interview published Thursday.

Even IF Iran had such missiles, why would they use them? Europe has nuclear weapons and their own missiles after all. That is the whole point of MAD, to deter an attack by having the ability of overwhelming retaliation. Our parents got soaked for $5 trillion dollars to build and maintain a nuclear missile force to deter the Russians. Now we are supposed to calmly accept that the deterrent really never worked and that Iran is now a threat despite our vast (and costly) nuclear arsenal?

Iran is not a stable world power like Russia was. They are helmed by Islamic-fundamentalists bent on the destruction of Israel. No country has threatened Iran so they have no reason to need surface to surface missiles except for the express purpose of using them as a threat. Iran has placed itself in this position.

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McGentrix

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Iran is not a stable world power like Russia was. They are helmed by Islamic-fundamentalists bent on the destruction of Israel. No country has threatened Iran so they have no reason to need surface to surface missiles except for the express purpose of using them as a threat. Iran has placed itself in this position.

But Israel is a threat to all the countries around it, [they have maybe 200 nuclear bombs] therefore it is threatened by the same countries, . The a-rabs don't have a deterrent of their own.

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freedom4free wrote:

McGentrix

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Iran is not a stable world power like Russia was. They are helmed by Islamic-fundamentalists bent on the destruction of Israel. No country has threatened Iran so they have no reason to need surface to surface missiles except for the express purpose of using them as a threat. Iran has placed itself in this position.

But Israel is a threat to all the countries around it, [they have maybe 200 nuclear bombs] therefore it is threatened by the same countries, . The a-rabs don't have a deterrent of their own.

They have threatened no one, whereas they have been and continue to be threatened. Their DEFENSE is sound, but they do not represent a threat to anyone but those foolish enough to attempt an attack against them.

The same can not be said about Iran.

I know you, like many arab nations, may not like Israel, but they exist and will continue to do so.

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McGentrix

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They have threatened no one, whereas they have been and continue to be threatened. Their DEFENSE is sound, but they do not represent a threat to anyone but those foolish enough to attempt an attack against them.

The same can not be said about Iran.

I had already provided the news article of their threats to nuke Islamic holy sites. But even if they hadn't made a direct threat, just having nuclear weapons is a threat in it self [as it could wipe out a few islamic countries]. Especially as they are in continuous conflicts/wars.

Also Israel threatens the Arab nations in the form of conquering Arab territories.

"Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches." ~ Israeli leader Ariel Sharon

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freedom4free wrote:

McGentrix

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They have threatened no one, whereas they have been and continue to be threatened. Their DEFENSE is sound, but they do not represent a threat to anyone but those foolish enough to attempt an attack against them.

The same can not be said about Iran.

I had already provided the news article of their threats to nuke Islamic holy sites. But even if they hadn't made a direct threat, just having nuclear weapons is a threat in it self [as it could wipe out a few islamic countries]. Especially as they are in continuous conflicts/wars.

Also Israel threatens the Arab nations in the form of conquering Arab territories.

"Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches." ~ Israeli leader Ariel Sharon

You mean the territories which act as a buffer zone that Israel took over after being attacked by the arab countries surrounding it?

Tell me about Israel "conquering Arab territories." That sounds fascinating.

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In another example, Israeli nuclear expert Oded Brosh said in 1992, "...we need not be ashamed that the nuclear option is a major instrumentality of our defense as a deterrent against those who attack us." According to [Israeli human rights activist] Israel Shahak, "The wish for peace, so often assumed as the Israeli aim, is not in my view a principle of Israeli policy, while the wish to extend Israeli domination and influence is." and "Israel is preparing for a war, nuclear if need be, for the sake of averting domestic change not to its liking, if it occurs in some or any Middle Eastern states.... Israel clearly prepares itself to seek overtly a hegemony over the entire Middle East..., without hesitating to use for the purpose all means available, including nuclear ones."

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freedom4free wrote:

In another example, Israeli nuclear expert Oded Brosh said in 1992, "...we need not be ashamed that the nuclear option is a major instrumentality of our defense as a deterrent against those who attack us." According to [Israeli human rights activist] Israel Shahak, "The wish for peace, so often assumed as the Israeli aim, is not in my view a principle of Israeli policy, while the wish to extend Israeli domination and influence is." and "Israel is preparing for a war, nuclear if need be, for the sake of averting domestic change not to its liking, if it occurs in some or any Middle Eastern states.... Israel clearly prepares itself to seek overtly a hegemony over the entire Middle East..., without hesitating to use for the purpose all means available, including nuclear ones."

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