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"No more bombs and no more testing''

 
 
Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 09:30 am
Native Americans Want 'Bunker Buster' Test Stopped Haider Rizvi, OneWorld US
Mon Apr 10, 9:38 PM ET

UNITED NATIONS, Apr 10 (OneWorld) - Native Americans want U.S. authorities to cancel plans to detonate 700 tons of explosives on what they say is tribal land in Nevada.

The planned explosion, scheduled for June 2 some 90 miles from Las Vegas, is aimed at aiding U.S. efforts to develop ''bunker buster'' weapons capable of penetrating solid rock. Officials have suggested the test would constitute the largest non-nuclear, open-air blast in the test site's history.

Federal officials have described such efforts as essential to the administration of President George W. Bush's self-styled ''war on terror'' but to leaders of the Shoshone, also known as the Newe people, the planned detonation is just the latest in a decades-long history of experiments at the Nevada Test Site to shake the earth and raise a dust cloud.

''We are opposed to any further military testing on our lands,'' said Raymond Yowell, chief of the Western Shoshone National Council.

The site of the latest proposed test sits on the land recognized under the 1863 Treaty of Ruby Valley as part of the tribe's national territory, Shoshone leaders said, and the U.S. military therefore has no right to use it.

The U.S. government disagreed and has asserted its ownership of the land.

''Without going through a lot of detail, the issue of ownership of the land area occupied by the Nevada Test Site, and for that matter very large sections of Nevada and Utah, is very complex (going back to the Ruby Valley Treaty) and in our eyes has been resolved,'' said Kevin Rohrer, a spokesman for the National Nuclear Security Administration, which operates the test site.

The U.S. Supreme Court had ruled in 1985 that the Shoshone had been paid in full for the land under the Indian Claims Commission Act of 1946 ''and thus the land is property of the United States Government,'' Rohrer said in an email.

''My understanding is that funding has been set aside in a trust account for compensation but there is disagreement among Western Shoshone on whether they should accept the funding,'' he added.

Shoshone elders rejected the government's position and last month won a victory in their fight to reclaim territory when the Geneva-based UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said in a report that Washington's claim to the Western Shoshone land ''did not comply with contemporary human rights norms, principles and standards that govern determination of indigenous property rights.''

Among other things, the panel cited special concern over the existence of nuclear waste dumped on tribal territory without consulting and over the objections of the Western Shoshone people. The 18-member panel also asked Washington to ''freeze, desist and stop'' actions being taken against the Western Shoshone Nation.

In the ruling, CERD also cited concern over weapons testing at the Nevada Test Site as well as efforts to build a high-level nuclear waste depository at Yucca Mountain.

Tribal elders said Washington's plans to proceed with the June test in the face of the UN panel's findings was a slap in the face of the international and Native American communities.

''This is a direct violation of the CERD's finding and an affront to our religious belief,'' Yowell said. ''Mother Earth is sacred and should not be harmed.''

The U.S. military tested nuclear weapons at the Nevada site from 1951 until 1959. Some analysts have said they believe that even after signing the Limited Test Ban Treaty with the Soviet Union in 1963, the U.S. continued to conduct underground tests in the area for several years.

Scientists have said that exposure to radiation from nuclear testing caused an increased incidence of leukemia and cancer in areas adjacent to the Nevada Test Site.

All necessary permits to conduct the test have been obtained from Nevada state agencies, test authorities have said, but there has been no indication that they sought Shoshone approval.

The test has been named ''Divine Strake,'' adding to the outrage felt by many Native Americans, who say the test site sits on sacred land.

''It's a mystery why they call it 'divine','' said Carrie Dann, a grandmother and executive director of the Western Shoshone Defense Project. ''Isn't 'divine' used for your deity, God, your sacredness? Why don't they call it 'Hell Strake?'''

''When you are working testing weaponry of destruction of life, you should not associate it with 'divine','' Dann added. ''We want this insanity to stop. No more bombs and no more testing.''
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paull
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 02:38 pm
this is a long standing dispute:

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/shoshone/index.html

Indians lose again.


My question is, do we have a bomber big enough to drop a 700 ton bomb? Is Fedex going to deliver it to Iran or what?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 07:43 pm
let cheney and bush walk it over. in person.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 07:45 pm
Imagine Bush and Cheney actually asking the military to develop weapons! The monsters!!!
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 07:49 pm
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 08:54 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.


be a cheap way to get that hole dug for the new pool... wouldn't need to spend for tiki torches, either.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2006 11:04 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.

As usual, you have no argument at all. My point was clearly that developing new weapons is neither unusual nor bad. You, lacking an argument, choose, as usual, to mock the poster. In the world of debate, it simply means that you lose. Either you defend your viewpoint with argument and evidence or you lose, no matter what your rationalization.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 11:54 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.

My point was clearly that developing new weapons is neither unusual nor bad.


the problem is, who's going to be in control of the weapon. the bush/cheney bunch have proven to be untrustworthy.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 12:19 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.

My point was clearly that developing new weapons is neither unusual nor bad.


the problem is, who's going to be in control of the weapon. the bush/cheney bunch have proven to be untrustworthy.

News flash: The military will control the weapon, subject to the wishes of Congress and the President.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 12:24 pm
Bushie has us moving in the wrong direction. He's against international arms treaties and is pushing for a new generation of nukes and even a resumption of underground nuclear testing. No wonder Iran feels a need to build a deterrent. We need a move to non-proliferation.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 01:57 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.

My point was clearly that developing new weapons is neither unusual nor bad.


the problem is, who's going to be in control of the weapon. the bush/cheney bunch have proven to be untrustworthy.

News flash: The military will control the weapon, subject to the wishes of Congress and the President.


right. and who is it that controls congress today ? the president's party and loyalists that have rubber stamped everything he's wanted for over 5 years. when he actually talks with congress about anything, that is.

do honestly think that a call comes in to launch an attack and the military says, "ummm.. no i don't think so.."?

the military may warehouse and maintain weaponry, but the president is the one with his finger on the button.

and bush/cheney are untrustworthy.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 12 Apr, 2006 02:32 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Brandon maybe they could test it on your land.

My point was clearly that developing new weapons is neither unusual nor bad.


the problem is, who's going to be in control of the weapon. the bush/cheney bunch have proven to be untrustworthy.

News flash: The military will control the weapon, subject to the wishes of Congress and the President.


right. and who is it that controls congress today ? the president's party and loyalists that have rubber stamped everything he's wanted for over 5 years. when he actually talks with congress about anything, that is.

do honestly think that a call comes in to launch an attack and the military says, "ummm.. no i don't think so.."?

the military may warehouse and maintain weaponry, but the president is the one with his finger on the button.

and bush/cheney are untrustworthy.

What is it exactly that you are objecting to?

That the military is being asked to develop weapons?
That's what they do.

That the people who agree with the current administration vote that way?
That's not rubber stamping, it's agreement. I voted for Bush because he said things that I already believed, and, if in Congress, would vote for most of what he asked for because he tends to say things that I agree with.

That Bush and Cheney are untrustworthy?
Give me an example. I doubt you can prove that point in an actual debate in which you actually respond to opposing posts.
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