The REAL Weapon ( BEHIND the SCENES )

OmSig, what is your response to my question...and my stats?

ah, they lied.

So instead of 33 killed in the UK, you think it was probably closer to the 13000 in the US? You'd think someone woulda noticed.

David seems to have one thing and one thing lnly on his mind--guns. Guns, guns, guns, always and ever only guns. If he starts a topic it's about guns. If there's a thread about health insurance, his post says "Guns are health insurance" (yes, he did post that).


This is obsession.

I wish to add,
that even if a DIFFERENT state of affairs existed,
that overall crime declined with gun control,
society has no authority to command any individual
to lay down his life,
or to permit the slaughter of his loved one,
in the general interests of society.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I wish to add,
that even if a DIFFERENT state of affairs existed,
that overall crime declined with gun control,
society has no authority to command any individual
to lay down his life,
or to permit the slaughter of his loved one,
in the general interests of society.

Society may not have the authority to permit the slaughters of loved ones, but it can do what it can to prevent them. You seem to think that since we can't abolish gun crimes completely, it's not worth trying to prevent them even partially. The all-or-none approach is not surprising, since you've stated that even if gun control laws worked, cutting down on crime would still not be worth the violation of this (vague) doctrine. But the all-or-none approach is not very helpful when it comes to creating legislation to live by.

Nonplussed, yes. Bemused, yes. Obsession is startling when one sees it. The kids at Columbine were obsessed with guns. People who are obsessed with guns , who seemingly think about them all the time, are among the last people a sane society wants to actually have access to guns.

I think username nailed it.
Ever since the early days, Om Sig has been obsessed about guns.

Om Sig advocates the arming of all the students at Columbine,
then there wouldnt have been so much bloodshed.
Now I know hes off his feed.

farmerman wrote:

I think username nailed it.
Ever since the early days, Om Sig has been obsessed about guns.

So what ?

I 'm into old gold coins, too; is that a problem ?
Lots of people have their own interests; big deal.
Mine is personal FREEDOM,
of which a pivital focus is a society based upon INDIVIDUALISM,
an interesting facit of which was, in the vu of the Founders,
having the citizens always having more physical power
than their hireling government.

By assuring an armed populace,
the Founders physically put sovereignty into the hands of the citizens.
US Supreme Ct Justice Joseph Story (1811-1845) said:
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms
has justly been considered as the Palladium of the liberties of the republic
since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation
and arbitrary power of the rulers;
and will generally...enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

Quote:

Om Sig advocates the arming of all the students at Columbine,
then there wouldnt have been so much bloodshed.
Now I know hes off his feed.

I did not advocate arming them,
any more than I advocated dressing them.
They can provide their own chosen armament,
as I did, some decades ago.

If only a couple of the good students had been well armed,
they 'd have been able to actively interfere against the murderers,
in that they were right there, together.
The police were cowards, giving the victims
only false promises of forthcoming assistance, on the fone,
while some of the victims were bleeding to death on the floor.
U 'd prefer to rely on them, on the community Farmer ??

There were students hiding in a closet,
preparing to fight back by swinging folded metal chairs,
but I suspect that they 'd have preferred guns instead of chairs.
Do u agree or disagree ?

If I understand u correctly, Farmer, u approve of the victims
in the school being helpless ( by operation of law )
in the face of deadly criminal depredation.

What is your reasoning, on this point ?

Please put yourself in the place of one of the victims, Farmer:
would u choose to be armed with one of your guns,
or
to live or die in a state of helplessness,
in the discretion of one of the criminals ??


Explain to me, Farmer:
is it better to fight back like a man, like an AMERICAN

or

to grovel and beg for the criminal 's mercy ?

Tell me.


Maybe I 'm incorrect, being just one-dimensional,
but I believe that instead of grovelling n begging,
its better to shoot the criminal in the face
( at close range ) with hollowpointed .44 special ammo.

U may disagree, preferring the other approach
to the situation; I respect your right to choose, in American Freedom.

Well OmSigDAVID,

How far would you suggest we relax this prohibition:

Fully Automatic?
Grenades?
Mortars?
Bazookas?
What maximum caliber and number of grains per shot?