1
   

Found: Gospel of Judas

 
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 08:21 pm
<sigh>
0 Replies
 
dlowan
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 08:40 pm
I don't think eagles CAN sigh, Timber....leaving aside whether they ought to or not.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 09:42 pm
Wickipedia


Gnostic Texts
Nag Hammadi Library
Acts of Thomas
Allogenes
1 Apocalypse of James
2 Apocalypse of James
Apocryphon of John
Books of Jeu
Dialogue of the Saviour
Coptic Apocalypse of Paul
Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of Mary Magdalene
Gospel of Philip
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Truth
Gnostic Apocalypse of Peter
Marsanes
Ophite Diagrams
Pistis Sophia
The Sophia of Jesus Christ
Thought of Norea
Trimorphic Protennoia
Zostrianos



Gospel of Judas
Date before 180 CE Mentioned by Irenaeus
Attribution Unknown (Judas?)
Location El Minya, Egypt near Beni Masar,
Sources no academic consensus
Manuscripts Codex Tchacos, references in early Christian writings
Audience Cainites, a gnostic sect
Theme Judas
The Gospel of Judas is a document that was in use among the Cainites, an early Christian gnostic sect, which has been partially reconstructed and which was published in 2006.


There are roughly 50 works that purport to be "gospels" of the early church, but there exists further information for only 20 of these gospels, four of which are the canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospel of Judas is one of the 16 other gospels about which some information has historically been preserved in early church writings.

The only known manuscript that included the text of the Gospel recently surfaced after 1700 years in the desert of Egypt as a leather-bound papyrus manuscript. The papyri on which the Gospel is written are fragmentary with some sections missing, in some cases scattered words, in others many lines. This is most likely due to the wear and tear associated with the elements and the passage of time. According to Rudolf Kasser, the codex originally contained 62 pages; but when it came to the market in 1999, only 26 pages remained because individual pages had been removed and put up for sale. From time to time, these missing pages appear and are identified.

The estimated range of dating of the Judas gospel is 130-170 C.E. Much criticism directed against its implications has concentrated on the fact that this is 100-150 years after the biblical date of the death of Jesus. However, the estimated range of dating for the canonical Gospel of John covers a similar period, and most scholars favour a late date for John (around 95-110). Similarly, while it is clear that the author of the Gospel of Judas was probably not actually Judas, the Authorship of the Gospel of John has been questioned by a majority of academics for some time.

It is further significant that the earliest known mention of the Gospel of Judas was by Irenaeus of Lyons, who is also one of the first people to quote from the Gospel of John. And although the earliest known manuscript of the Gospel of Judas dates from the 3rd century, the earliest known entire manuscripts of the canonical gospels, (the Codex Sinaiticus), date from the fourth and fifth centuries--the manuscript of the Gospel of Judas predates them. If accuracy and authenticity are something that can be used to attack it, then the Canonical Gospels fare worse under the same tests.

It was probably written originally in Greek, but the only known manuscript to have survived is written in Coptic.

[edit]
Content
The content of the Gospel of Judas was referred to by Irenaeus, an early Bishop of Lyons, in Adversus Haereses, written in about 180 A.D., who said that some

declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves... They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictional history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.(A.H. I.31.1)[1]
This is likely a reference to the Cainites, a sect of gnosticism that especially worshipped Cain as a hero. The Cainites, like a large number of gnostic groups, were semi-maltheists believing that the god of the Old Testament - Yahweh - was evil, and a quite different and much lesser being to the deity that had created the universe, and was responsible for sending Jesus. Neatly solving the problem of evil by this argument, such gnostic groups worshipped as heroes all the Biblical figures which had sought to discover knowledge or challenge Yahweh's authority, while demonising those who would have been seen as heroes by more standard interpretations.

Some two centuries after Irenaeus' complaint, Epiphanius of Salamis, bishop of Cyprus, criticized the Gospel of Judas for treating whom he saw as the betrayer of Jesus as commendable, one who "performed a good work for our salvation."

The portion of the manuscript that could be translated by later scholars tells of Judas being the favourite disciple of Jesus, possibly intended to be interpreted as the beloved disciple. Like much gnostic writing, which was written only for those who had attained a certain level of initiation, the Gospel of Judas claimed to be a secret account, specifically the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot.

While over the ages many philosophers have contemplated the idea that Judas was required to have carried out his actions, in order for Jesus to have died on the cross, and hence fulfill theological obligations, the position was frequently condemned as heresy, and was not supported by any canonical account. However, the Gospel of Judas not only asserts that the actions of Judas were necessary, but that Judas was acting on the orders of Jesus himself.

The Gospel of Judas states that Jesus told Judas You shall be cursed for generations. It then adds to this conversation that Jesus had told Judas you will come to rule over them, and that You will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me. [1]

Another part shows Jesus favoring Judas apart from other disciples, saying, "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the mysteries of the kingdom," and later "Look, you have been told everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star."

[edit]
Rediscovery
[edit]
Origins
No trace of the fabled manuscript had been known until a Coptic Gospel of Judas turned up on the antiquities "grey market", first seen under shady circumstances in a hotel room in Geneva in May 1983, when it was found among a mixed group of Greek and Coptic manuscripts offered to Stephen Emmel, a Yale Ph.D. candidate commissioned by Southern Methodist University to inspect the manuscripts. How this Codex Tchacos was found has not been clearly documented. However, it is believed that a now-dead Egyptian antiquities prospector discovered the codex near El Minya, Egypt in the neighborhood of the village Beni Masar, and sold it to a Cairo antiquities dealer known only as "Hannah."

Around 1970, the manuscript and most of the dealer's other artifacts were stolen by a Greek trader named Nikolas Koutoulakis, taken out of Egypt and smuggled into Geneva. The dealer Hannah managed to recover the codex, by coordinating with antiquity traders in Geneva, Switzerland. He then showed it to experts who recognized its significance. But it took him two decades to find a buyer who would pay the asking price of $3 million.


"The Kiss of Judas" is a traditional depiction of Judas by Giotto di Bondone, c. 1306. Fresco in the Scrovegni Chapel, Padua.[edit]
Sale and study
Through the decades the manuscript was offered about, very quietly, but no major library felt ready to purchase a manuscript that had such questionable provenance. Eventually the 62-page leatherbound codex was purchased by the Maecenas Foundation in Basel, a private foundation directed by lawyer Mario Jean Roberty. Its previous owners now claimed that it had been uncovered at Muhafazat al Minya in Egypt during the 1950s or 1960s, and that its significance had not been appreciated until recently. It is worth noting that various other sites were mentioned in other negotiations.

The existence of the text was made public by Rudolf Kasser at a conference of Coptic specialists in Paris, July 2004. In a statement issued March 30, 2005, a spokesman for the Maecenas Foundation announced plans for edited translations into English, French and German, once the fragile papyrus has undergone conservation by a team of specialists in Coptic history to be led by a former professor at the University of Geneva, Rudolf Kasser, and that their work would be published in about a year. Roberty, the Foundation's director, announced that carbon dating put the Coptic manuscript in the third or fourth centuries, a century earlier than had originally been thought from analysis of the script. Over the decades, the manuscript had not been meticulously handled: some single pages may be loose on the antiquities market, and the text is now thought to be less than three-quarters complete. "After concluding the research, everything will be returned to Egypt. The work belongs there and they will be conserved in the best way," Roberty has stated [2].

[edit]
Scholarship
[edit]
Results and reactions
Professor Kasser revealed a few details about the text in 2004, the Dutch paper Parool reported [3]. Its language is the same Sahidic dialect of Coptic in which Coptic texts of the Nag Hammadi library are written. The text is probably a translation from Greek. The Codex has three parts: an Epistle to Philip that is ascribed to Peter (a variant is in the Nag Hammadi collection), the Revelation of Jacob (also known from Nag Hammadi), and the Gospel of Judas. Up to a third of the codex is currently illegible.

A scientific paper was to be published in 2005, but was delayed. **Currently, publication is expected for April 2006, accompanied by a television special. Indeed, in some markets, the National Geographic Channel will be airing a special program, entitled The Gospel of Judas on April 9, 2006 at 8 pm EDT.

The completion of the restoration and translation was announced by the National Geographic Society at a news conference in Washington, D.C. (Thursday April 6, 2006) and the manuscript itself was unveiled at the National Geographic Society headquarters.

Terry Garcia, an executive vice president of the National Geographic Society, asserted that the codex is considered by scholars and scientists to be the most significant ancient, non-biblical text to be found in the past 60 years. However, this announcement was met with some doubts and an overall lukewarm response.

James M. Robinson, one of America's leading experts of such ancient religious texts, predicted that the new book would not offer any insights into the disciple who betrayed Jesus because, though the document is old, being from the third century, the text is not old enough. According to Robinson, it was probably based on an earlier document. The extant document was known before its discovery because Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, assailed it in AD 180 as heretical. Irenaeus said the writings came from a "Cainite" Gnostic sect that jousted against Christianity as the sect was becoming orthodox. In his criticism, Irenaeus accused the Cainites of lauding the biblical murderer, Cain, the Sodomites and Judas, whom they regarded as the keeper of secret mysteries. However, Robinson also suggested that the text would be valuable to scholars of the second century, but not because it provided a greater understanding of the Bible.

National Geographic responded to Robinson's criticism by saying that "it's ironic" for Robinson to raise such questions since he had "for years, tried unsuccessfully to acquire the codex himself, and is publishing his own book in April [2006], despite having no direct access to the materials."

Robinson describes in The Secrets of Judas: The Story of the Misunderstood Disciple and His Lost Gospel (2006) ISBN 0061170631, the secretive maneuvers in the United States, Switzerland, Greece and elsewhere over two decades to sell the Judas manuscript, while in a novel by Simon Mawer, The Gospel of Judas published in 2000 (UK) and 2001 (US) revolves around the discovery of a Gospel of Judas in a Dead Sea cave and its effect on a scholarly priest.

[edit]
Interpretation
[edit]
Zodiacal Symbolism
The repeated reference to the '12 disciples', '12 Luminaries', 'the 360 firmaments' in the Gospel is seen by some cosmologists to indicate that Jesus had occult knowledge of cosmology, the 360 degrees of the circle and celestial longitude, the zodiac, the Precession of the Equinoxes and the 12 Astrological Ages of the Precession. The name Jesus gives for the wife of Adam is 'Zoe', which is the root of the word 'zodiac' - meaning wheel of life.

[edit]
The Superior Generation
In the Gospel, Jesus speaks to Judas and his disciples of a superior generation, which self-generates from an immortal and eternal realm, which no one born of 'this aeon' would see.

The Vedic Swar: In the Vedic Scriptures the immortal and eternal realm was called Swar.
The Supramental Realm: In the work of Sri Aurobindo, the Mother, and Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet, the Swar or immortal, eternal realm is spoken of as the Supramental Realm.
[edit]
Footnote
In commenting on the acquisition of the Codex by the Maecenas Foundation, the president of the foundation, Mario Roberty, suggested that it was possible that its copy was not the only one in existence; rather it was the only known copy in existence. Roberty went on to suggest that the Vatican likely had a copy locked away, saying:

"In those days the Church decided for political reasons to include the Gospels of Luke, Matthew and John in the Bible. The other gospels were banned. It is highly logical that the Catholic Church would have kept a copy of the forbidden gospels. Sadly, the Vatican does not want to clarify further. Their policy has been the same for years - ?'No further comment.'"
There is no evidence that the Vatican does, in fact, possess an additional copy and this suggestion may be wishful thinking by Roberty. The Vatican has not provided any comment one way or the other about the existence of additional copies. However, despite the canonisation process of Christian texts and the development of early Christian orthodoxy being well documented by early Church historians, the Vatican library is notoriously secretive, to the extent of deliberately not maintaining a catalogue of its own content.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Fri 7 Apr, 2006 09:47 pm
Great Eastertime TV tie-in - gotta give it that.
0 Replies
 
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 01:47 am
The Gnostics, the originators of the conspiracy theory.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 06:00 am
Well, to its credit, this newly discovered "bombshell text" appears to be written in a font and style at least arguably not inconsistent with its purported origin, and apparently it isn't a many-copies-removed-from-the-original anonymous fax from a Kinko's ....
0 Replies
 
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 07:14 am
Excellent post, Edgar. I must come back to it when I have time.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 01:56 pm
It's an interesting topic. I would truly like to know what books the Vatican may be hiding.
0 Replies
 
sunlover
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 06:42 pm
As far as I can determine from reading biblical scholars all things (books) spoken of "spirituality" were not included in The Bible. Early bishops also refused to include anything that smacked of the feminine except, of course, Jesus' mother Mary (that would have been impossible). Notice that the Catholic Church refers to itself as the "Mother" Church. It was necessary, early bishops thought, to require humanity to reach "heaven" through the church.

Actually, why would we need an institution to intercede for us in our search for God. The church has not, thus far, done that, and it seemingly has always been corrupt.

Also, all the Gnostics, including the Christian Gnostics, were killed in its own Crusade -- by the Romans of course. All their treasure, stolen. The Roman Catholic Church became wealthy rather quickly in about the 3rd-4th century.

Without Irenaeus's Refutations of the Gnostics, we would never have know of the Gnostic Christians, who should never have been included in this document of so much hatred by Irenaeus.

Concerning Judas, I've read that he was the treasurer of the communal group (Jesus' disciples, the two Marys and Martha and possibly others but I wouldn't know and, just as spiritual leaders they were well supported financially by people such as Joseph of Aramathia whose tomb Jesus was buried.

It is very exciting to see the general populace so interested in finding truth, which is surely stranger than fiction.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:35 pm
One question that occurs to me: Why did Judas or anybody have to betray Jesus and turn him in? He was a public figure, what with Sermons on Mounts and such like. Why couldn't they wait for a quiet time and just take him?
0 Replies
 
Arella Mae
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:36 pm
That's a good question, Edgar. I don't know the definite answer to it but perhaps it was symbolic of those that would betray Christ; i.e., those that turn their back on Him and don't accept Him? Just a guess on my part.
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:42 pm
ma, it's getting on to the time you need to make a edict that "christianity" has nothing to do with catholicism.
0 Replies
 
Arella Mae
 
  1  
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:45 pm
dys,

Sorry. Cannot accomodate you there. I am NOT one that believes Catholics are not Christian. Besides, it's not my place to decide that for anyone other than myself.
0 Replies
 
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 04:48 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
One question that occurs to me: Why did Judas or anybody have to betray Jesus and turn him in? He was a public figure, what with Sermons on Mounts and such like. Why couldn't they wait for a quiet time and just take him?
It was necessary for him to die on the passover as he was the antitype of the passover lamb. His death would make further sacrifice unnecessary.

So, perhaps at the time his whereabouts would have been unknown to the Sanhedrin.
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 04:49 pm
So, was there dancing in the streets?
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 04:56 pm
neologist wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
One question that occurs to me: Why did Judas or anybody have to betray Jesus and turn him in? He was a public figure, what with Sermons on Mounts and such like. Why couldn't they wait for a quiet time and just take him?
It was necessary for him to die on the passover as he was the antitype of the passover lamb. His death would make further sacrifice unnecessary.

So, perhaps at the time his whereabouts would have been unknown to the Sanhedrin.


The boy breezes into Jerusalem on the back of a docile little ass (see illustration below), to the dinning praise of low-rent Jews in their thousands--do you make this sh!t up as you go along ? ! ? ! ? ! ?

http://erasmagazine.com/jesus/galeria/Christ%20enters%20Jerusalem.JPG

This is an image common to all sects of the Jeebus cult.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 05:28 pm
That poor little ass. Look how small compared to him.
0 Replies
 
dyslexia
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 05:39 pm
Yeah I remember the story about a man who built a time machine so he could go back and see Jesus. It worked, and he saw Jesus when Jesus was only twelve years old. Jesus was learning the carpentry trade from his father.
Two Roman soldiers came into the shop with a mechanical drawing on papyrus of a device they wanted built by sunrise the next morning. It was a cross to be used in the execution of a rabble-rouser.
Jesus and his father built it. They were glad to have the work. And the rabble-rouser was executed on it.

So it goes.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 05:51 pm
Reminiscent of The Last Temptation of Christ, the big difference being, he was an adult working without his father.
0 Replies
 
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:52 pm
Setanta wrote:
neologist wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
One question that occurs to me: Why did Judas or anybody have to betray Jesus and turn him in? He was a public figure, what with Sermons on Mounts and such like. Why couldn't they wait for a quiet time and just take him?
It was necessary for him to die on the passover as he was the antitype of the passover lamb. His death would make further sacrifice unnecessary.

So, perhaps at the time his whereabouts would have been unknown to the Sanhedrin.


The boy breezes into Jerusalem on the back of a docile little ass (see illustration below), to the dinning praise of low-rent Jews in their thousands--do you make this sh!t up as you go along ? ! ? ! ? ! ?
. . .
The exact place where he celebrated the passover is not known.
"On the first day of the unfermented cakes the disciples came up to Jesus, saying: "Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the passover?" 18 He said: "Go into the city to So-and-so and say to him, The Teacher says, ?'My appointed time is near; I will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home." (Matthew 26: 17, 18)

Since he celebrated privately, Judas would have been one of only a few who knew where he could be found afterward.

What's so profound about that?
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

700 Inconsistencies in the Bible - Discussion by onevoice
Why do we deliberately fool ourselves? - Discussion by coincidence
Spirituality - Question by Miller
Oneness vs. Trinity - Discussion by Arella Mae
give you chills - Discussion by Bartikus
Evidence for Evolution! - Discussion by Bartikus
Evidence of God! - Discussion by Bartikus
One World Order?! - Discussion by Bartikus
God loves us all....!? - Discussion by Bartikus
The Preambles to Our States - Discussion by Charli
 
Copyright © 2026 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 02/25/2026 at 06:16:20