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Another example of US interference

 
 
Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 03:51 pm
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 06:13 pm
I'd be interested to know precisely who it is you claim "vaunts" the "UN's military." The United Nations has no military, and, or course relies upon the military action of member states.

Piracy has been a problem for as long as there has been sea-borne commerce. Iulius Caesar began his public career fighting piracy. Piracy flourishes in any waters in which the local naval forces do not or cannot project sufficient military might to end it. As piracy takes place where there are no police, and often where there is no local jurisdiction. In cases in which no naval power takes responsibility, it is complerely appropriate for the United Nations to call for action.

It is rather pathetic that you have come out with this drivel about "the left"--it looks very much like you are indulging contortions to attempt to pick a silly fight.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 06:48 pm
Setanta wrote:
I'd be interested to know precisely who it is you claim "vaunts" the "UN's military." The United Nations has no military, and, or course relies upon the military action of member states.

Piracy has been a problem for as long as there has been sea-borne commerce. Iulius Caesar began his public career fighting piracy. Piracy flourishes in any waters in which the local naval forces do not or cannot project sufficient military might to end it. As piracy takes place where there are no police, and often where there is no local jurisdiction. In cases in which no naval power takes responsibility, it is complerely appropriate for the United Nations to call for action.

It is rather pathetic that you have come out with this drivel about "the left"--it looks very much like you are indulging contortions to attempt to pick a silly fight.


There are many members on the "left",that constantly decry anything the US does as "interfering" with other countries and their actions.
According to some members on here,who I will be glad to name,the US interferes economicaly,militarily,politically,or financially with almost every country.

So,isnt this the US just interefering again?
The pirates didnt attack our ships,they werent bothering anyone,but we tried to board them anyway.

The UN has the blue helmets,who are members of other countries militaries,I know.
But,many on the left say that our military should ONLY act with UN authority.
Since we didnt have a mandate from or permission from the majority of the UN members to act,then this action MUST be interference.

If you want,I will be happy to name those members of the left on here that think that way.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 06:53 pm
Actually, any nation's naval forces have authorization under the laws of the sea, well established before the United Nations ever existed, and the authority of which has never been vacated or superceded by the United Nations, to take actions against crimes at sea. Piracy has been recognized as criminal internationally for literally centuries.

You\re just lookin' for a fight. I don't give a rat's ass who you name. Ask those folks the rhetorical questions with which you hope to humiliate them. As i don't make such contentions, i feel under no obligation to answer your silliness.

You are just playing games here. Piracy is a crime to which all navies are always willing and authorized to respond.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:24 pm
Just what I was gonna say.....but lost the will for another response to a silly trolling thread.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:33 pm
I imagine its a bigger issue in your neighborhood, Miss Wabbit. The Straits of Molocca are the worst waters in the world for piracy right now, precisely because neither Indonesia nor Malaysia will do anything about it. Is this ever an issue for the Australian Navy?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:36 pm
Sure...but I don't know if they have ever had the chance to fire on them.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:47 pm
I had quite a long thread on the history of piracy, mostly referential to the Carribean and the Atlantic coast of Africa. Throughout the 17th century, piracy flourished there because the Spanish military was too flacid to deal with them, and the myriad islands and shallow waters made ideal havens for the sort of small boat actions upon which piracy flourishes. (Hollywood images of large, square rigged ships slugging it out with broadsides are just not realistic--as i noted in that thread, when pirates got brigs and frigates, and tried to play with the big boys, they attracted the kind of attention which ended their careers.) Piracy ended in the Carribean when the English, French and Dutch developed a sufficient economic interest, and pirates no longer restricted themselves to attacking the Spanish. "Black Bart" Roberts actually had the sand to shell the shore batteries at St. Kitt's and to take ships in the harbor. By the early 18th century, European navies were sending brigs and frigates, and the days of the pirates were numbered. The Carribean would still be the ideal haven of pirates, were the United States Navy not such a constant presence.

The east coast of Africa is actually a rather easier "ground" to patrol--you don't have all the little islands and the broad and wide shoal waters which make the Carribean and the archipeligo of Macronesia so ideal for pirates. I'll bet somebody gets paid off in Malaysia, because the Moloccan Straits would otherwise be a pretty straight-forward patrol area. The Arrafura Sea, however, north of Australia, would be a right nightmare, with all the little islands, and all the shoal water into which modern frigates and destroyers dare not venture.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:57 pm
In the 1970's a redevelopment project in the old dock district of Norwich Connecticut dredged up a small 18th century cannon. It was a quarter pounder or straker, a nasty little device designed to clear a deck or prevent
the boarding of a ship. It was compleat with mounting Y rack and an aiming device called a "rats tail" The thing ended up in my lab and as it was the only complete one known (at least at the time) I got a call from the Smithsonian sniffing for a possible "donation" (Norwich took it back). The guy I talked to said the last time he had seen one of those was in the 1930's when he was a young man in the Navy and on pirate patrol in the South China Sea. The Navy has been doing the kind of work it did off Somalia this morning since it was created and the creator of this thread is becoming a tiresome whiner.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 08:01 pm
The United States Navy has maintained high standards of professionalism since the birth of our nation. Their first major operations were against the corsairs of what are now Algeria, Tunisia and Lybia--the "Barbary Pirates."

Acq is correct, operations against pirates have been bread and meat for the Navy since the day one.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 11:19 am
Re: Another example of US interference
mysteryman wrote:
Wanna bet the left will object.

I'll take that bet.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 11:36 am
The left? Hey, that's me. I say play those pirates like a real live video game. Blast away until they have just logs to use for pirate ships. Then if necessary blow away the logs.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2008 05:37 am
I'll be the first to say it. How do you fight Pirates? Ninjas.

Let's get this done.

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rabel22
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2008 09:01 pm
@Diest TKO,
First you board the home ships that send out the small boatloads of pirates and if they refuse to let you board them than blow them to splinters. From what I have been able to learn the military in the area wont do this.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2008 10:03 pm
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Wanna bet the left will object. ... said Lt. Cmdr. Charlie Brown, spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet.


You're damn tootin' we object. Charlie Brown should never have been drafted. He's got a dog to take care of.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2008 04:31 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Wanna bet the left will object. ... said Lt. Cmdr. Charlie Brown, spokesman for the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet.


You're damn tootin' we object. Charlie Brown should never have been drafted. He's got a dog to take care of.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 22 Dec, 2008 09:22 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
If you want,I will be happy to name those members of the left on here that think that way.

Yes, I want.
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