Saddam Hussein tapes - what do they tell us?

It will take a while for the revelations to gather steam, as the message is not one Mainstream Media is eager to present. However, what so far has been revealed tells us its going to be an interesting mid-term campaign season - and likely a campaign season not paricularly entertaining for The Dems.

<<Yawn>> Do you guys ever quit.

CNN (as mainstream as any media) reported on this. On the tapes Saddam predicts a terrorist attack... from someone other than Iraq... and mentions that he warned his former allies of this fact.

Let's go back to talking about the hospitals being built in Iraq where there is definately not a civil war.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/18/hussein.tapes/index.html

No, I won't quit studying to find out the truth. The fact is we really know very little about what happened with Husseins WMD programs and other details of many things that the news media has already written the conclusion of the book for. In reality, we haven't yet learned enough to write the introduction to the book.

I think it is naive to read the interpretation of the tapes as presented by CNN, ABC, and all the rest, and automatically believe their interpretation. They have a vested interest in maintaining what has already been written in stone as far as they are concerned, and their mindset now is "do not confuse them with facts." The news media has already come to a conclusion and therefore anything that comes to light that may contradict their conclusion will be explained away and minimized. Take your blinders off, have an open mind, and read the translations yourself as more are revealed. Do not come to a conclusion until you consider the actual evidence, and there is much that has not even been revealed yet.

As concerns Hussein's WMD programs, all you have to do is read the Iraq Survey Group Final Report. It is the Bush Administration's say all, end all concerning the aforementioned.

From the link ebrown left.







Infrablue has already left a link to the Iraq Survey Group. So far what we know from these tapes is that Saddam had no WMD but he wanted them. <Gee>

The US invaded and occupied a country for thought crime.

I will keep posting information as I check it from time to time, and some of you can keep explaining it away if you are hellbent on doing so no matter what is revealed.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=129824

Contained in the above link, a quote:
"None of the information Iraq had provided the UNSCOM inspectors was accurate or complete, Hussein Kamil told Saddam. "Not the type of the weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct. They don't know any of this," he said."

So, what exactly have you revealed that the ISG hadn't already covered in it's report? That in early 1995 Husayn Kamil talked about concealing some weapons, and materials that hadn't been reported?

This is what the The Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD, a.k.a. Iraq Survey Group Final Report has to say about your "revelations."

VOL. 1 CH.1 SEC.7

Husayn Kamil's Departure, par 2

Senior Iraqi officials?-especially Saddam?-were caught off-guard by Husayn Kamil's flight to Jordan in August 1995. The Regime was forced to quickly assess what the fallout would be from any revelations and what damage they would inflict on Iraqi credibility with UNSCOM. Iraqi demands to end sanctions and threats to stop cooperation with UNSCOM became increasingly shrill in the two months prior to Husayn Kamil's defection. Vice President Ramadan said on 14 June that Iraq had decided "not to continue cooperation with the Council" if UNSCOM Executive Chairman Rolf Ekeus' 19 June 1995 report to the Security Council did not bring about "a positive position that contributes to ending the siege imposed on Iraq." On 17 July, the anniversary of the Ba'th party revolution, Saddam again threatened to stop cooperation with the UN unless sanctions were lifted. Two days later, after meetings with his Egyptian counterpart, Iraqi Foreign Minister Muhammad Sa'id Kazim Al Sahaf insisted that Iraq had complied with its obligations under UN resolutions and demanded the oil embargo and other sanctions be lifted by the Security Council after the next review on 14 September.


By the time Husayn Kamil fled, Iraq already had submitted another "full, final, and complete declaration (FFCD)" on its biological program to UNSCOM. On 1 July 1995, Iraq had admitted to the production of bulk biological agent, but had denied weaponizing it. To maintain the appearance of cooperation, however, Iraq had to provide more information to inspectors and withdraw the earlier FFCD. After making such strident demands of Rolf Ekeus and the UN, Iraq was now forced?-to great embarrassment?-to withdraw its threat to cease cooperation with UNSCOM and admit that its biological program was more extensive than previously acknowledged.


Husayn Kamil's flight set the stage for further disclosures to the UN, particularly in the BW and nuclear fields. The UN responded by destroying extensive dual-use facilities critical to the BW program, such as the facilities at Al Hakam and Dawrah. The revelations also triggered contentious UNSCOM inspections in 1996 designed to counter Regime deception efforts and led to showdowns over access to sensitive facilities, including presidential sites.

After Husayn Kamil's departure, about 500 scientists and other nuclear officials assembled and signed documents affirming they would hide neither equipment nor documents, according to a former nuclear scientist.

The director of the National Monitoring Directorate (NMD) responded to Husayn Kamil's departure by installing representatives in each ministry and company, according to the former Minister of Military Industrialization ?'Abd-al-Tawab ?'Abdallah Al Mullah Huwaysh. These individuals, fully aware of all the UNSC resolutions, were to report any violations to the NMD. When they detected potential violations, such as trying to procure materials and conducting illicit research, they halted them.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap1.html#sect7

It won't gather any steam until a few books document everything a few years down the road.

I thought this link was interesting, in which Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney discusses information on WMD and the links between Hussein and Al Qaeda. On WMD,

"It was a fascinating experience to see the transcripts of Saddam's conversations. He discussed hiding WMDs from the UN inspectors and knowing where the inspectors were going to go in advance. He discussed their efforts to develop Plasma Enrichment for nuclear weapons totally unknown to the UN inspectors.

But the most telling to me was the conversation between Tariq Aziz his foreign minister and Saddam in which they discussed having proxies implant nuclear and biological weapons in US cities. They concluded that Iraq would be blamed for an explosion but not biological as they could use deception and blame US facility ( Ft Dietrick) which makes me conclude that Iraq was responsible for the anthrax attack in US less than 30 days after 9/11.

The FBI has not determined who did it although they tried to charge unsuccessfully a former Ft Dietrick employee. It is obvious that we should aggressively be translating the remaining 3,000 hours of tapes!"

and:

"FP: So the evidence appears to suggest the Russians moved the WMD's out of Iraq, correct?

McInerney: Yes -- to three locations in Syria and one in Lebanon (Beka Valley) in the Sept - Dec 2002 time frame. This information was provided by Jack Shaw, the former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for international technology security. He charged that Saddam's stockpiles of WMDs were moved by a Russian Spetznatz team headed by Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian Intelligence Chief, who came to Iraq in December 2002 to supervise the final cleanup.

Mr. Shaw found this out through a meeting in London with the head of MI-6 (UK CIA), the Ukrainian Intelligence Chief and others in the summer of 2003. The Ukrainians were very close and supportive of the Russians at that time.

FP: This information destroys the Left's main arguments and vindicates the Bush administration. Why do you think the administration is not talking about this?

McInerney: The President is being ill served by his Intelligence staff. In some cases the diplomats don't want the world to know this as the three primary violators were Russia, China and France -- all permanent members of the UN Security Council and whom they need to deal with Iran and future contingencies in the war on terror. I assume he did not want to trash our future "allies." However, he directed in mid-Feb that they all be released and I understand that it is imminent."

On Hussein and Al Qaeda:

"I just reviewed this additional release of documents. This release continues to confirm that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda were in contact with Iraq intelligence for sanctuary, training, and plans for acts of terrorism against the US and in the US.

This just supports the 12 hours of tapes we heard of Saddam Hussein's that discussed using proxies (Al Qaeda) to attack the US with WMD i.e. nuclear or biological. The latest release has pictures of Zarqawi while he was in Iraq prior to our liberation. It is obvious that he was living there as a sanctuary after he left Afghanistan."

Not for the Mainstream Media, nor the Minimally Intelligent.



Intent does not a casus belli make...particularly when lies have been told to a sickening degree.


Reality may bite one day, but I doubt it.


Sigh.

This is getting good I can hardly wait to see what happens next.



No, really. I most surely intend to visit this thread again (in a week or two or in another lifetime)

As long as our invasion and occupation of Iraq has made you feel safer, that's all the justification required.

Sleep well.

Here's Deroy Murdock's summary of Saddam Hussein:
It should give us reason to sleep better indeed.

http://www.husseinandterror.com/

and an update on tapes info.:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/24/saddam.trial.ap/index.html