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Saddam Hussein tapes - what do they tell us?

 
 
okie
 
Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 12:07 pm
These tapes have already told us that Hussein discussed ways of hiding WMD / programs from the inspectors and had no intention of closing the programs down for good. They also include discussions of how WMD could be used in the U.S., to be done by individuals, so that a country, such as Iraq, would not be implicated. I think the key is to read the translations of what is actually said rather than an interpretation of what they say, in order to form a more accurate unbiased opinion.

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/iraq/a/saddamtapes_3.htm
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 06:50 pm
It will take a while for the revelations to gather steam, as the message is not one Mainstream Media is eager to present. However, what so far has been revealed tells us its going to be an interesting mid-term campaign season - and likely a campaign season not paricularly entertaining for The Dems.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 07:14 pm
<<Yawn>> Do you guys ever quit.

CNN (as mainstream as any media) reported on this. On the tapes Saddam predicts a terrorist attack... from someone other than Iraq... and mentions that he warned his former allies of this fact.

Let's go back to talking about the hospitals being built in Iraq where there is definately not a civil war.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 07:25 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/18/hussein.tapes/index.html
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 11:26 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
<<Yawn>> Do you guys ever quit.

CNN (as mainstream as any media) reported on this. On the tapes Saddam predicts a terrorist attack... from someone other than Iraq... and mentions that he warned his former allies of this fact.

Let's go back to talking about the hospitals being built in Iraq where there is definately not a civil war.


No, I won't quit studying to find out the truth. The fact is we really know very little about what happened with Husseins WMD programs and other details of many things that the news media has already written the conclusion of the book for. In reality, we haven't yet learned enough to write the introduction to the book.

I think it is naive to read the interpretation of the tapes as presented by CNN, ABC, and all the rest, and automatically believe their interpretation. They have a vested interest in maintaining what has already been written in stone as far as they are concerned, and their mindset now is "do not confuse them with facts." The news media has already come to a conclusion and therefore anything that comes to light that may contradict their conclusion will be explained away and minimized. Take your blinders off, have an open mind, and read the translations yourself as more are revealed. Do not come to a conclusion until you consider the actual evidence, and there is much that has not even been revealed yet.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 04:54 am
okie wrote:
No, I won't quit studying to find out the truth. The fact is we really know very little about what happened with Husseins WMD programs and other details of many things that the news media has already written the conclusion of the book for. In reality, we haven't yet learned enough to write the introduction to the book.


As concerns Hussein's WMD programs, all you have to do is read the Iraq Survey Group Final Report. It is the Bush Administration's say all, end all concerning the aforementioned.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 07:27 am
From the link ebrown left.

Quote:
U.S. officials who have reviewed the tapes said Hussein was "fixated" on acquiring weapons of mass destruction and preventing U.N. inspectors from finding out.


Quote:
"Sir, they cannot deprive us our will, and despite the pressures they bring to bear on us through monitoring, and despite the fact we were not able to put to use our missile technology, the time is not their side," the unidentified man said.

"No matter how much they take from us, the factories will be in our brains and souls, and the people who can make missiles out of stones and use them with success in four days can certainly achieve a great deal in one, two, or five years."


Quote:
A U.S. official said the tapes "do not change the story" on Saddam's weapons programs in any substantive way.

"We already knew he had them in the early '90s and wanted to get them again after he lost them but was not able to," the official said.

A spokeswoman for Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte said the tapes were "fascinating," but they "do not reveal anything that changes their postwar analysis of Iraq's weapons programs, nor do they change the findings contained in the comprehensive Iraq Survey Group report."


Infrablue has already left a link to the Iraq Survey Group. So far what we know from these tapes is that Saddam had no WMD but he wanted them. <Gee>
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 03:31 pm
The US invaded and occupied a country for thought crime.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 08:28 pm
I will keep posting information as I check it from time to time, and some of you can keep explaining it away if you are hellbent on doing so no matter what is revealed.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=129824

Contained in the above link, a quote:
"None of the information Iraq had provided the UNSCOM inspectors was accurate or complete, Hussein Kamil told Saddam. "Not the type of the weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct. They don't know any of this," he said."
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 27 Mar, 2006 08:10 pm
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 02:56 am
timberlandko wrote:
It will take a while for the revelations to gather steam, as the message is not one Mainstream Media is eager to present. However, what so far has been revealed tells us its going to be an interesting mid-term campaign season - and likely a campaign season not paricularly entertaining for The Dems.


It won't gather any steam until a few books document everything a few years down the road.

I thought this link was interesting, in which Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney discusses information on WMD and the links between Hussein and Al Qaeda. On WMD,

"It was a fascinating experience to see the transcripts of Saddam's conversations. He discussed hiding WMDs from the UN inspectors and knowing where the inspectors were going to go in advance. He discussed their efforts to develop Plasma Enrichment for nuclear weapons totally unknown to the UN inspectors.

But the most telling to me was the conversation between Tariq Aziz his foreign minister and Saddam in which they discussed having proxies implant nuclear and biological weapons in US cities. They concluded that Iraq would be blamed for an explosion but not biological as they could use deception and blame US facility ( Ft Dietrick) which makes me conclude that Iraq was responsible for the anthrax attack in US less than 30 days after 9/11.

The FBI has not determined who did it although they tried to charge unsuccessfully a former Ft Dietrick employee. It is obvious that we should aggressively be translating the remaining 3,000 hours of tapes!"


and:

"FP: So the evidence appears to suggest the Russians moved the WMD's out of Iraq, correct?

McInerney: Yes -- to three locations in Syria and one in Lebanon (Beka Valley) in the Sept - Dec 2002 time frame. This information was provided by Jack Shaw, the former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for international technology security. He charged that Saddam's stockpiles of WMDs were moved by a Russian Spetznatz team headed by Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian Intelligence Chief, who came to Iraq in December 2002 to supervise the final cleanup.

Mr. Shaw found this out through a meeting in London with the head of MI-6 (UK CIA), the Ukrainian Intelligence Chief and others in the summer of 2003. The Ukrainians were very close and supportive of the Russians at that time.

FP: This information destroys the Left's main arguments and vindicates the Bush administration. Why do you think the administration is not talking about this?

McInerney: The President is being ill served by his Intelligence staff. In some cases the diplomats don't want the world to know this as the three primary violators were Russia, China and France -- all permanent members of the UN Security Council and whom they need to deal with Iran and future contingencies in the war on terror. I assume he did not want to trash our future "allies." However, he directed in mid-Feb that they all be released and I understand that it is imminent."


On Hussein and Al Qaeda:

"I just reviewed this additional release of documents. This release continues to confirm that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda were in contact with Iraq intelligence for sanctuary, training, and plans for acts of terrorism against the US and in the US.

This just supports the 12 hours of tapes we heard of Saddam Hussein's that discussed using proxies (Al Qaeda) to attack the US with WMD i.e. nuclear or biological. The latest release has pictures of Zarqawi while he was in Iraq prior to our liberation. It is obvious that he was living there as a sanctuary after he left Afghanistan."
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 03:27 am
Not for the Mainstream Media, nor the Minimally Intelligent.



Intent does not a casus belli make...particularly when lies have been told to a sickening degree.


Reality may bite one day, but I doubt it.


Sigh.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 3 May, 2006 05:39 am
This is getting good I can hardly wait to see what happens next.



No, really. I most surely intend to visit this thread again (in a week or two or in another lifetime)
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2006 07:58 pm
As long as our invasion and occupation of Iraq has made you feel safer, that's all the justification required.

Sleep well.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 18 May, 2006 09:25 pm
Here's Deroy Murdock's summary of Saddam Hussein:
It should give us reason to sleep better indeed.

http://www.husseinandterror.com/

and an update on tapes info.:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/24/saddam.trial.ap/index.html
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