Obama '08?

cicerone imposter wrote:

H2O evidently doesn't understand races:

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Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:

* Barack Obama - 309
* John McCain - 229

Translated, it means Obama has 57% to McCain's 43%. If that's head-to-head, we'll accept it as a given. Obama already won! LOL

ci, I detect you are throwing your hat into the ring with Obama. You went through a period of expressing great skepticism, even criticism of Obama, but I guess the die is cast, you are now an Obamaite?

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okie wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:
Looks like all the bystanders that mugged for the cameras during OJ's slow chase.
Here I thought Okie's ignorance bordering on overt racism was going to be the height of stupidity today; then comes the waterboy with a submission that could win him the idiot of the month award. Those are the men and women defending your country you half-witted bigot. Try to show a little respect.

Occom Bill, I used to think you were halfway reasonable, but frankly I am tired of your racial innuendos and references.

An apology is in order from you, but somehow I will not expect it.

Multiple apologies are in order, but none will come...

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Heres an interesting opinion piece by Willie Brown,the former mayor of SF and the former Speaker of the Ca State Assembly, and a die hard liberal...

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From New York to San Francisco, I've been asked over and over: Given the state of the country, how could Barack Obama and John McCain be so close in the polls?

The answer - at this point it's not about Obama vs. McCain. It's about Obama vs. Obama.

Upscale, white "Sex and the City" women are still livid over how they perceive the Obama people treated Hillary Rodham Clinton during the Democratic primaries.

He has got a major, major problem there, and they feel he has done nothing to address it.

I'm not saying women will vote for McCain - he's just a look-over at best - but they will be missing in action this November unless something changes.

Back in New York, I've picked up some real hesitation about Obama among Jewish Democrats as well.

Plus, Obama is now having to deal with the "true believers" upset about his moving to the middle on Iraq, gun control, the death penalty and everything else that happens when a candidate suddenly gets more "educated" on the issues.

It's Obama vs. Obama - and it's still a wide-open race among undecideds.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/20/BAD511PR2F.DTL

He raises some interesting points about the Obama campaign.

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Ol' Willie is as shrewd a politician as ever lived.

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snood wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Do you think Jeb is angry that his brother has probably ruined his chances of ever attaining national office, when he is far more qualified?

Cycloptichorn

Is Jeb a community organizer?

Oh!! A devilishly witty aside - slyly referencing Obama's history, counterposed in a way that suggests his inexperience!

How DOES he come up with these creative gems?

But then, I guess I would be reduced to making slimeball snide comments too, if I were a little minded man paralyzed with fear at the spectre of the first black president.

This is what started all of this. Snood basically calls someone "little minded" and "paralyzed with the fear at the spectre of the first black president."

I reject that, as everyone should in the most forceful and definite language. I responded to snood and told him that he was making the same old mistake, going down the wrong road, making the race a referendum on race. And of course snood started a thread titled "Fear of a Black President."

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Obama's foundation is not solid and it can't be repaired.
It's just a matter of time for his inevitable fall from grace.

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okie wrote:

snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Do you think Jeb is angry that his brother has probably ruined his chances of ever attaining national office, when he is far more qualified?

Cycloptichorn

Is Jeb a community organizer?

Oh!! A devilishly witty aside - slyly referencing Obama's history, counterposed in a way that suggests his inexperience!

How DOES he come up with these creative gems?

But then, I guess I would be reduced to making slimeball snide comments too, if I were a little minded man paralyzed with fear at the spectre of the first black president.

This is what started all of this. Snood basically calls someone "little minded" and "paralyzed with the fear at the spectre of the first black president."

I reject that, as everyone should in the most forceful and definite language. I responded to snood and told him that he was making the same old mistake, going down the wrong road, making the race a referendum on race. And of course snood started a thread titled "Fear of a Black President."

Snood does for black people what Roxxxanne does for transexuals. I wouldn't sweat it much.

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This thread needs an enema.

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McGentrix wrote:

Snood does for black people what Roxxxanne does for transexuals. I wouldn't sweat it much.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but not a fair comparison at all, McGentrix. I reject that idea as well. The gay and transexual crowd loves to try to make their plight the same as racial equality, which I think should be an insult to any person of any color.

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okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
H2O evidently doesn't understand races:

Permalink.

Number of electoral votes based on the latest polls for each state:

* Barack Obama - 309
* John McCain - 229

Translated, it means Obama has 57% to McCain's 43%. If that's head-to-head, we'll accept it as a given. Obama already won! LOL

ci, I detect you are throwing your hat into the ring with Obama. You went through a period of expressing great skepticism, even criticism of Obama, but I guess the die is cast, you are now an Obamaite?

okie, I have not made up my mind to vote for Obama, but at this point in the race to the white house, he has it over McCain in this country. I'm just show proof that the republicans statement of a close, head to head, race is a bunch of BS. And quit with the name-calling, you ignoramous!

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It is currently a head-to-head race.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

It is currently a head-to-head race.

Unless you ask Jesse Jackson, then it would be a Cracker to N-word race.

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H2O_MAN wrote:

It is currently a head-to-head race.

Well, not really. I mean, it is a head-to-head matchup; but it's not neck-and-neck by any means.

http://www.pollster.com/08USPresGEMvOand3sr600.png

The state polling numbers look great for Obama, even better then the national numbers. My guess is that this is going to be a pretty tough week for McCain; the Maliki endorsement of Obama's position, Obama's good PR on this trip he's taking, McCain's mixing up of Afghanistan and Iraq...

If McCain can't turn the trend around, he is going to lose 30+ states.

Cycloptichorn

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As you can see - the race is neck and neck.

Monday, July 21
General Election:
McCain vs. Obama
Rasmussen Tracking
Obama 46, McCain 45
Obama +1.0

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H2O_MAN wrote:

As you can see - the race is neck and neck.

Monday, July 21
General Election:
McCain vs. Obama
Rasmussen Tracking
Obama 46, McCain 45
Obama +1.0

I don't really rely on the Ras tracking poll to tell me the status of the race; it's balanced by party ID, instead of letting respondents self-select; it will ALWAYS be closer then other polls due to the methodology.

That being said, it doesn't matter; Obama is winning in tons of states.

Cycloptichorn

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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/07/21/gal.obamapetraeus.cnn.jpg

Stuff like this doesn't hurt Obama.

Cycloptichorn

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I can't rely on that polster.com poll to tell me anything.

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This is the stuff I've been most struck by -- the very presidential-looking photos of him talking to Maliki, Talabani and Karzai:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080721/i/r459503552.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080721/capt.2e410c38a7884febb5e2f6bf450900cd.iraq_obama_bag116.jpg

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20080720/450_ap_obama_karzai1_080720.jpg

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H20Man, do you get that the Pollster graph shows the results of a variety of polls, rather than just conducting their own poll? Rasmussen is on there, as well as CNN, FOX, etc., etc. Beneath the graph Cyclopticorn showed, it lists the various polls included:

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 Pollster    	  Dates    	  N/Pop    	  McCain    	  Obama    	  Barr    	  Nader    	  Other    	  Undecided    	  Not Voting

ABC/Post 	7/10-13/08 	971 RV 	39 	49 	2 	5 	3 	2 	1

Zogby/Reuters 	7/9-13/08 	1039 LV 	36 	46 	3 	3 	0 	12 	-

CNN 	6/26-29/08 	906 RV 	43 	46 	3 	6 	- 	3 	-

Times/Bloomberg 	6/19-23/08 	1115 RV 	33 	48 	3 	4 	- 	12 	-

FOX 	6/17-18/08 	900 RV 	39 	42 	2 	4 	- 	14 	-

Zogby/Reuters 	6/12-14/08 	1113 LV 	40 	45 	3 	3 	- 	10 	-

CNN 	6/4-5/08 	921 RV 	43 	47 	2 	6 	- 	1 	-

Zogby 	5/15-18/08 	1076 LV 	37 	47 	3 	4 	- 	10 	-

Rasmussen 	5/14-15/08 	800 LV 	38 	42 	6 	4 	- 	11 	-

Diageo/Hotline 	4/30-5/3/08 	803 RV 	40 	45 	- 	5 	- 	9 	-

Zogby 	4/10-12/08 	1049 LV 	42 	44 	2 	3 	- 	9 	-

Diageo/Hotline 	3/28-31/08 	799 RV 	45 	41 	- 	3 	- 	11 	-

Zogby 	3/13-14/08 	1001 LV 	44 	39 	- 	5 	- 	11

Formatting sucks, sorry, but it gives you an idea of the pollsters represented. You can see the original (with decent formatting) here:

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvOand3s.php

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cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, I have not made up my mind to vote for Obama, but at this point in the race to the white house, he has it over McCain in this country. I'm just show proof that the republicans statement of a close, head to head, race is a bunch of BS.

Fair enough.

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And quit with the name-calling, you ignoramous!

Need anymore be said! Besides where is the evidence I called anyone a name? Surprised

Take a nap, ci, you need one.

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