teenyboone
 
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Wed 9 Jul, 2008 03:56 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
And then there's Ronnie Reagan from ronn.org:

Ronald "Shotgun Wedding" Reagan
A study in cognitive dissonance

All links were good when this was originally written, in October of 2003.

The question isn't so much why dittoheads like Ronald Reagan, the question is why do they love him so slavishly?

Ronald Reagan had major character flaws: Our only divorced president (on the grounds of "mental cruelty"), forced to marry a pregnant Nancy in a shotgun wedding, was greatly influenced by astrology in events, senility by 1983, surrounded by corruption and incompetence and found guilty of "failing to meet presidential obligations" (bottom of link), and investigated for being a Communist in 1947.

Ronald Reagan was not a good president: Campaigned for 16 years, since his Goldwater acceptance speech and won in 1980 on a balanced budget platform, yet the first thing he did was massively increase the deficit, and for wholly political reasons said his Budget Director. This is the biggest flip-flop in US political history, and it drove conservatives crazy. The corruption in his SAG term of office was reflected in massive corruption in his presidential terms (some attribution here and here and... Indeed, it's worse than reported, going so far as to terrorize church officials for their politics and having the CIA illegally infiltrate church sanctuaries. He didn't defeat "communism". The Soviet Union was less than a quarter the number of people that remain under communist regimes. The dissolution of the Soviet Union was a major victory for the people in Russia and the repressed states, but Reagan's sabre-rattling kept it alive several years after it was obviously dead. Star Wars not the reason: There was no increase in the Soviet Union's military spending in response to Reagan's build-up. He screwed up at Reykjavik, proposing a deal to completely eliminate US and Soviet nukes, then backing off when it looked like Gorby would accept. Credit should go to Carter for setting exactly the right policy with a selected arms build-up, in Afghanistan, and with Solidarity. As we've seen since, the Soviet Union wasn't much of an empire and most of the people in it aren't particularly evil. Perhaps if he hadn't fired the air traffic controllers, there would have been more experienced people who would raise the alarm faster on 9/11.


That's just like a Repug:
GLORIFY incompetence! This is the BEST post of this thread! Cool
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Foxfyre
 
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Wed 9 Jul, 2008 04:04 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080709.jpg
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 06:27 am
The difference between Obama and Osama is just a little bs.
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teenyboone
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 06:35 am
cjhsa wrote:
The difference between Obama and Osama is just a little bs.

YO' MAMA! :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 06:40 am
Where are all the Jackson threads? I do believe he said he wanted to cut off Obama's nuts... Fifgured I'd see something about that here.
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 06:49 am
Oh no! Now Obama's gonna wanna ban knives too!!!
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Brand X
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 07:34 am
Obama missed a good opportunity to castrate Jackson's so called 'black leadership' but instead he pussied out and accepted his apology.
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 07:36 am
Maybe Obama is really Jesse's love child.
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nimh
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 07:37 am
Foxfyre wrote:
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080709.jpg


Ah... how recently it was still that we were supposed to believe that Obama was suspiciously radical, an extreme liberal, harboring socialist ideas...
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 07:40 am
He is. His advisors have simply moved him to the right for the campaign to make him feel more centrist.

Anyone who cannot see how left wing, shallow, and completely unqualified the job Osamabama is, is just wrong in the head.
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revel
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 07:40 am
Obama accepts Jackson's apology for crude remark

Quote:
The Obama campaign took a measured response to the incident, contending in a statement that Obama has spoken for many years about parental responsibility as well as "jobs, justice and opportunity for all."

"He will continue to speak out about our responsibilities to ourselves and each other, and he of course accepts Rev. Jackson's apology," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said.


So much for knives. Rolling Eyes

Just to keep up:
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Quote:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows a steady race with Barack Obama attracting 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When "leaners" are included, Obama leads 48% to 44%
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sozobe
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 08:00 am
Gail Collins, again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/opinion/10collins.html

Quote:
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 09:01 am
The question Soz, is will center field be vacated completely once the prize is won? Obama's track record to date suggests that yes it probably will. And therein, along with a growing suspicion, fueled mostly by his own stumbles, that he simply is not yet up to the job, will be his problem and will be the reason he is not elected if he happens to lose in November.
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okie
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 09:45 am
nimh wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm080709.jpg


Ah... how recently it was still that we were supposed to believe that Obama was suspiciously radical, an extreme liberal, harboring socialist ideas...

He is, nimh, I think, I don't know for sure. How are we supposed to know, as the guy has taken just about every position possible now on several issues? I think it is obvious he is an ultra leftist, that is pandering toward more reasonable views just to get elected. I have to admit some of the things he says makes me think he has common sense, but then other times he is in left field. All I can do is look at what he actually does, and based on that, I would not support him. And based on reading his book, I would never support him, as I think he is trying to take the country to more socialism and all the things associated with that, plus I just don't think he really likes the country all that much. I do not want an anti-American, a bitter man, or a confused man as president, period.

If he is elected, perish the thought, all I can hope is that all the weighty responsibility will suddenly dawn on the man and he will realize that some of the things he does will need more mature and responsible decisions, and that he will gravitate to his more conservative streak. That is probably a false hope however. With McCain, I have the same thoughts, but I have a slightly higher hope that conservatives will hold alot more sway over him, especially if he picks a decent vp.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 09:55 am
okie, That's a funny way to be looking at McCain, the maverick. Maybe not so extreme today as he was a few months ago, but still the GOP maverick who was not popular with most conservatives - until he was the last man standing. Funny how politics works.
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 09:55 am
McCain at least can stand up and say "I was wrong about that" or "I realize now that the American people see it differently" or "I have changed my opinion about that and here's why" or whatever. Obama by contrast dodges and weaves with something to the effect of "What I really meant to say was. . . ." With that tactic he never has to accept responsibility for ANYTHING he says that turns out to be unpopular with his constituency.
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Diest TKO
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 10:03 am
okie - "Anti-American?"

T
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okie
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 10:03 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, That's a funny way to be looking at McCain, the maverick. Maybe not so extreme today as he was a few months ago, but still the GOP maverick who was not popular with most conservatives - until he was the last man standing. Funny how politics works.

Yes, it is funny how it works, ci.

For what its worth, if Obama is elected, I will be glad to be rid of the Clintons! Hopefully we will be rid of them, maybe not? If Obama picks her as vp, I would hire extra Secret Service, hand picked, if I were him, only half joking because I am dead serious. Obama seems to be a decent family man, and I don't think Michelle would put up with anything? If I am dealt a lemon, I can try to make lemonade, so I would try to appreciate anything positive out of Obama.

I still think McCain has quite a bit more potential in regard to many many things, no guarantee, but I would rather take my chances with him.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 10:04 am
Foxfyre wrote:
McCain at least can stand up and say "I was wrong about that" or "I realize now that the American people see it differently" or "I have changed my opinion about that and here's why" or whatever. Obama by contrast dodges and weaves with something to the effect of "What I really meant to say was. . . ." With that tactic he never has to accept responsibility for ANYTHING he says that turns out to be unpopular with his constituency.


He does say 'I was wrong about that.' He recently said that about NAFTA and has said the same thing about the Gas Tax Holiday that he had supported as a state senator.

McCain on the other hand, well. I don't have to tell you that he's flip-flopped on every single issue, you know very well by this time that this is the case. You claiming he thinks he was 'wrong' on everything? Or maybe there's another motive for him abandoning his anti-Conservative rhetoric in many cases?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 10 Jul, 2008 10:09 am
okie wrote: I still think McCain has quite a bit more potential in regard to many many things, no guarantee, but I would rather take my chances with him.


Nothing wrong with that! We all arrive at our own subjective rational for selecting either Obama or McCain - when there's no one else standing.
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