OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:37 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
The press is shoving Obama down Americas throat.
They refuse to report anything about him that could be a negative.
The truth about Obama is being hidden.
Rolling Eyes That must be why no one's ever heard of Wright or Rezko, right? Rolling Eyes (5 seconds of thought would have told you not to post something this stupid.)

The new problem is that a millionaire with good credit and an obvious ability to pay got a favorable interest rate? Laughing My goodness; what a travesty!

In actual news; Obama remains a 2 to 1 favorite. :wink:
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H2O MAN
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:52 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
The press is shoving Obama down Americas throat.
They refuse to report anything about him that could be a negative.
The truth about Obama is being hidden.
Rolling Eyes That must be why no one's ever heard of Wright or Rezko, right? Rolling Eyes (5 seconds of thought would have told you not to post something this stupid.)

The new problem is that a millionaire with good credit and an obvious ability to pay got a favorable interest rate? Laughing My goodness; what a travesty!

In actual news; Obama remains a 2 to 1 favorite. :wink:


Actually, it's the liberal news that is perpetuating stupid and you are stuck on it. Think about that before you post another reply.
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:53 am
I'll say this for H20 man, he will never be accused of being an elitist.
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engineer
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 07:55 am
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Keep a sharp eye on this story. Discounted home loan speculation for Obama's 1.65 million dollar home.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/02/obamas-received-discounted-home-loan/
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2039886/posts

This may take a while to unravel.


Already debunked. You cotta work a little faster with the smears, Okie.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/2/15120/21794/654/545493

Seriously sad.

Cycloptichorn


Dailykos? Give me a break.

Listen, Obama is entitled to whatever sweetheart deal he can get for himself, just like every other politician.


Wow, I read the article. Obama didn't get squat. I've never paid the "average" interest rate just due to a decent credit rating. I think he didn't shop around enough.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:02 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Actually, it's the liberal news that is perpetuating stupid and you are stuck on it. Think about that before you post another reply.
I took my time, but didn't waver from my first reaction: Beyond taking an idiotic hyper-partisan shot at liberals, you have said nothing. Are you suggesting "stupid" would have went away if not for "liberal news"? Rolling Eyes Does that really even make sense to you?
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nimh
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:09 am
woiyo wrote:
As far as the Latin vote, that demographic represents a small percentage of the total.

8% of the vote in the last presidential elections. Enough to swing an election.

H2O_MAN wrote:
The press is shoving Obama down Americas throat.
They refuse to report anything about him that could be a negative.
The truth about Obama is being hidden.

If any candidate has consistently gotten the velvet glove treatment, it's John McCain.

http://minnesotamonitor.com/upload/freeride.jpg
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:17 am
nimh wrote:
woiyo wrote:
As far as the Latin vote, that demographic represents a small percentage of the total.

8% of the vote in the last presidential elections. Enough to swing an election.

H2O_MAN wrote:
The press is shoving Obama down Americas throat.
They refuse to report anything about him that could be a negative.
The truth about Obama is being hidden.

If any candidate has consistently gotten the velvet glove treatment, it's John McCain.

http://minnesotamonitor.com/upload/freeride.jpg


Please tell me you aren't using MediaMatters as an objective (or honest) assessment of press coverage.

You can see a more objective analysis HERE

I agree that Obama's interest rate on his dwelling was nothing unusual or unremarkable. The dwelling itself, however, is rather impressive suggesting quite substantial affluence which, fair or not, blunts the Barack and Michelle's litany of coming from 'poor' families or families of quite modest means.
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H2O MAN
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:19 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Are you suggesting "stupid" would have went away if not for "liberal news"? Rolling Eyes


Stupid would be greatly reduced if the idiotic hyper-partisan liberal media would be honest with the dumbmasses.
Will stupid ever go away?
Maybe not, but busting the teachers unions and government indoctrination centers would be a step in the right direction.
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H2O MAN
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:29 am
nimh wrote:

If any candidate has consistently gotten the velvet glove treatment, it's John McCain.



Wrong!

McCain's life is well documented - it's an open book and the media has exploited all of it.

In comparison, what has been reported by the media on Obama's life would fit on a post-it note.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:41 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I agree that Obama's interest rate on his dwelling was nothing unusual or unremarkable. The dwelling itself, however, is rather impressive suggesting quite substantial affluence which, fair or not, blunts the Barack and Michelle's litany of coming from 'poor' families or families of quite modest means.
Quite the contrary, really. If the Obama's exemplify a rags to riches story; then they are the embodiment of the American Dream coming true. Were they Republicans; conservatives like yourself would offer them up as proof that the American dream is still very much possible. As you should.
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nimh
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:51 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The dwelling itself, however, is rather impressive suggesting quite substantial affluence which, fair or not, blunts the Barack and Michelle's litany of coming from 'poor' families or families of quite modest means.

Well, compared to the McCain's various mansions it's pretty modest... hell, compared to John McCain's estimated net worth of $25-$38 million [size=8]1) [/size]or $40.4 million [size=8]2)[/size], the Obama's shared net worth of $1-$2.5 million [size=8]1) [/size]or $1.3 million [size=8]2) [/size]makes them almost paupers. :wink:

In seriousness though, your argument doesnt make any sense. Plenty of people in America come from families of modest means and yet during their life made it up into some prosperity. Isnt that what the American Dream is all about? The Obamas come from families of quite modest needs, yes, and thanks to their academic excellence and savvy career moves, and Barack's fame and knack for writing, have made it into comfortable prosperity. How is one thing supposed to refute the other?

The reality's simple enough [size=8]1)[/size]:

Quote:
With one exception among the three leading Republicans and three leading Democrats, the contenders each appear to be worth tens of millions.

The exception: Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). As a community organizer-turned-law professor-turned-state senator-turned U.S. senator, the bulk of Obama's wealth has come only in the past few years, with the huge success of his second book, " The Audacity of Hope."


1) Washington Post, March 2007
2) ExtraTV, April 2008
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 08:59 am
Well the thing is Obama is the opposition and when you can't deal with the actual issues of the campaign you must come up with some kind of issue like the house Obama lives in. Stay tuned to next week when foxfyre notes that Obama often wears brown shoes and sends his shirts out to be laundered.
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Eva
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 09:07 am
No! Shocked
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 09:10 am
nimh wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The dwelling itself, however, is rather impressive suggesting quite substantial affluence which, fair or not, blunts the Barack and Michelle's litany of coming from 'poor' families or families of quite modest means.

Well, compared to the McCain's various mansions it's pretty modest... hell, compared to John McCain's estimated net worth of $25-$38 million [size=8]1) [/size]or $40.4 million [size=8]2)[/size], the Obama's shared net worth of $1-$2.5 million [size=8]1) [/size]or $1.3 million [size=8]2) [/size]makes them almost paupers. :wink:

In seriousness though, your argument doesnt make any sense. Plenty of people in America come from families of modest means and yet during their life made it up into some prosperity. Isnt that what the American Dream is all about? The Obamas come from families of quite modest needs, yes, and thanks to their academic excellence and savvy career moves, and Barack's fame and knack for writing, have made it into comfortable prosperity. How is one thing supposed to refute the other?

The reality's simple enough [size=8]1)[/size]:

Quote:
With one exception among the three leading Republicans and three leading Democrats, the contenders each appear to be worth tens of millions.

The exception: Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). As a community organizer-turned-law professor-turned-state senator-turned U.S. senator, the bulk of Obama's wealth has come only in the past few years, with the huge success of his second book, " The Audacity of Hope."


1) Washington Post, March 2007
2) ExtraTV, April 2008


I was not criticizing the house, Nimh. The fact that that Michelle has earned six figures pretty much upon graduation from an Ivy League law school and that the community organizer--I'm hoping there will be much more scrutiny about that by the way--turned-law profesor-yadda yadda Obama also attended prestige schools and obviously has in no way been personally disadvantaged and does not exemplify the average working Joe or poor person. The mainstream media, however, rarely calls attention to such facts while being accomplice to Obama to create the image of himself that he wants others to see.

I probably did not make the connection between media coverage and this phenomenon clear enough.

The point I intended to make here was the media coverage and the incongruity between what is and what is presented to be believed. But in any case, you flat out ignored the media coverage that you referenced and that prompted my post in the first place. You instead zeroed in on the example I used to illustrate my impression. If it was McCain who was using his 'poor underprivileged beginnings' to generate sympathy and connectedness, do you think the media would not be coupling that with the fact that he married a quite wealthy heiress?

Why don't we not attack each other and focus on that media coverage and the examples included in it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 09:35 am
Fox wrote: The point I intended to make here was the media coverage and the incongruity between what is and what is presented to be believed. But in any case, you flat out ignored the media coverage that you referenced and that prompted my post in the first place. You instead zeroed in on the example I used to illustrate my impression. If it was McCain who was using his 'poor underprivileged beginnings' to generate sympathy and connectedness, do you think the media would not be coupling that with the fact that he married a quite wealthy heiress?


It seems Fox fails to understand how the media in the US works; news about Obama is downplayed and news about McCain is front-page news.

Talk about blind bias...there is no possible way to correct it.
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 09:37 am
Fox also linked this site this morning: http://journalism.org/node/11266 which illustrates that CI might make snotty remarks with absolutely no foundation for them.
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old europe
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 10:12 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Fox also linked this site this morning: http://journalism.org/node/11266 which illustrates that CI might make snotty remarks with absolutely no foundation for them.


So, Foxy, what's your conclusion of the study you linked to?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 10:15 am
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 01:27 pm
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Fox also linked this site this morning: http://journalism.org/node/11266 which illustrates that CI might make snotty remarks with absolutely no foundation for them.


So, Foxy, what's your conclusion of the study you linked to?


My conclusion is that it quite adequately rebuts the MediaMatters assertion that Nimh posted which was my purpose for posting the link in the first place. And your question further reminds me that you feel quite free to keep asking questions despite that you do seem to feel it necessary that you reciprocate by answering questions directed to you. I'm still waiting over on the Election 2008 thread.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2008 01:29 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Fox also linked this site this morning: http://journalism.org/node/11266 which illustrates that CI might make snotty remarks with absolutely no foundation for them.


So, Foxy, what's your conclusion of the study you linked to?


My conclusion is that it quite adequately rebuts the MediaMatters assertion that Nimh posted which was my purpose for posting the link in the first place. And your question further reminds me that you feel quite free to keep asking questions despite that you do seem to feel it necessary that you reciprocate by answering questions directed to you. I'm still waiting over on the Election 2008 thread.
What?
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