cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:20 am
Bush even lied and told the American people that he followed the FISA laws.

You need to get your head out of your arse.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:25 am
Bush Authorized Domestic Spying
Post-9/11 Order Bypassed Special Court

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; Page A01

President Bush signed a secret order in 2002 authorizing the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens and foreign nationals in the United States, despite previous legal prohibitions against such domestic spying, sources with knowledge of the program said last night.
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woiyo
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:34 am


And you think ONLY the "Bush" family was involved with an Arab oil interest?

Since the Bin Laden family is large and diverse and involved in "oil" EVERY American oil company has had "involvement" to some degree with Arab Oil Interests.

http://www.virginia.edu/igpr/APAG/apagoilhistory.html

This is a tired, old and STUPID argument put forth by narrow minded liberals.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:37 am
And you think Bush is a conservative? How dumb are you?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:41 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/22/eveningnews/main1826838.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:44 am
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%E2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:44 am
woiyo wrote:


And you think ONLY the "Bush" family was involved with an Arab oil interest?

Since the Bin Laden family is large and diverse and involved in "oil" EVERY American oil company has had "involvement" to some degree with Arab Oil Interests.

http://www.virginia.edu/igpr/APAG/apagoilhistory.html

This is a tired, old and STUPID argument put forth by narrow minded liberals.

I think they know this, woiyo, perhaps not all of them do, but they should, but for many it is nothing more than a diversionary argument that is used to defend Obama. They did it for Clinton before they threw her under the Bus, in favor of another prize winning horse that they are betting on now. Intellectual honest? There isn't much.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:48 am
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:


And you think ONLY the "Bush" family was involved with an Arab oil interest?

Since the Bin Laden family is large and diverse and involved in "oil" EVERY American oil company has had "involvement" to some degree with Arab Oil Interests.

http://www.virginia.edu/igpr/APAG/apagoilhistory.html

This is a tired, old and STUPID argument put forth by narrow minded liberals.

I think they know this, woiyo, perhaps not all of them do, but they should, but for many it is nothing more than a diversionary argument that is used to defend Obama. They did it for Clinton before they threw her under the Bus, in favor of another prize winning horse that they are betting on now. Intellectual honest? There isn't much.


okie, Where did anybody claim ONLY the Bush family was involved? You're inserting assertions NEVER stated.

What other president was involved?


okie, You are an arse; who ever said ONLY the Bush family was involved?
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:49 am
Obama dominates McCain among Hispanics: poll
Published: Wednesday July 2, 2008

Democrat Barack Obama has a dominant lead over Republican John McCain among Hispanic voters, despite his struggle to woo the key bloc during his presidential primary campaign, a poll found Wednesday.

A Gallup survey put Obama up 59 percent to 29 percent over his rival among registered Hispanic voters across the United States. The community will likely play a pivotal role in general election swing states like Colorado, New Mexico and Florida.

The poll was published as McCain made a three-day trip through Colombia and Mexico, designed to burnish his foreign policy credentials, which was also seen as an attempt to win favor among Hispanic voters in the United States.

The poll appears to indicate that many Hispanic voters have shifted their support to Obama from his vanquished Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who built a Latino powerbase during the fiercely contested nominating contest.

In nationwide "Super Tuesday" primary contests in February for instance, Clinton won the Latino vote by around two-to-one over Obama, according to exit polls.

Gallup said that support for Obama was consistent across demographic groups in the Hispanic community. Only 18 percent of the survey sample identified themselves as Republicans.

McCain's hopes of attracting a strong vote from Hispanics were hampered by the failure of a comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress last year, which he supported, despite the risk of alienating conservative Republicans.

The Arizona senator now says that vigorous border enforcement measures must be put in place before the status of millions of illegal immigrants living in America can be addressed.

The nationwide Gallup survey was conducted among 4,604 Hispanic registered voters, between March 7 and June 30, with a margin of error of plus two percentage points.

link
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woiyo
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:51 am
blueflame1 wrote:
Obama dominates McCain among Hispanics: poll
Published: Wednesday July 2, 2008

Democrat Barack Obama has a dominant lead over Republican John McCain among Hispanic voters, despite his struggle to woo the key bloc during his presidential primary campaign, a poll found Wednesday.

A Gallup survey put Obama up 59 percent to 29 percent over his rival among registered Hispanic voters across the United States. The community will likely play a pivotal role in general election swing states like Colorado, New Mexico and Florida.

The poll was published as McCain made a three-day trip through Colombia and Mexico, designed to burnish his foreign policy credentials, which was also seen as an attempt to win favor among Hispanic voters in the United States.

The poll appears to indicate that many Hispanic voters have shifted their support to Obama from his vanquished Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who built a Latino powerbase during the fiercely contested nominating contest.

In nationwide "Super Tuesday" primary contests in February for instance, Clinton won the Latino vote by around two-to-one over Obama, according to exit polls.

Gallup said that support for Obama was consistent across demographic groups in the Hispanic community. Only 18 percent of the survey sample identified themselves as Republicans.

McCain's hopes of attracting a strong vote from Hispanics were hampered by the failure of a comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress last year, which he supported, despite the risk of alienating conservative Republicans.

The Arizona senator now says that vigorous border enforcement measures must be put in place before the status of millions of illegal immigrants living in America can be addressed.

The nationwide Gallup survey was conducted among 4,604 Hispanic registered voters, between March 7 and June 30, with a margin of error of plus two percentage points.

link


Sure, he can have this very small category. He is pandering to them by promising to give them more of my money. What is not to like?
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:51 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
And you think Bush is a conservative? How dumb are you?

I have never claimed he was, but he has some conservative qualities. But you are correct, he is not thoroughly conservative at all, otherwise he would not have expanded government like he did.

But to fear the Bush administration reviewing computer records of calls, is plain weird, ci. When placed into context of what many presidents have done to protect national security, he did not go nearly as far as some, including FDR. On some thread here, somebody rated FDR at the top of the list, even ahead of Abe Lincoln, which is really dumb, if you want to discuss dumbness.

Because of all the politicizing of this issue by Democrats, it is an issue, but if the people really know what is involved here, there would be no issue, none whatsoever, nobody would care except maybe a few terrorists that are making calls to their overseas connections. To make it an issue is fear mongering, and just plain dumb, ci. Surely you have bigger worries than that.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:52 am
woiyo wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Obama dominates McCain among Hispanics: poll
Published: Wednesday July 2, 2008

Democrat Barack Obama has a dominant lead over Republican John McCain among Hispanic voters, despite his struggle to woo the key bloc during his presidential primary campaign, a poll found Wednesday.

A Gallup survey put Obama up 59 percent to 29 percent over his rival among registered Hispanic voters across the United States. The community will likely play a pivotal role in general election swing states like Colorado, New Mexico and Florida.

The poll was published as McCain made a three-day trip through Colombia and Mexico, designed to burnish his foreign policy credentials, which was also seen as an attempt to win favor among Hispanic voters in the United States.

The poll appears to indicate that many Hispanic voters have shifted their support to Obama from his vanquished Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who built a Latino powerbase during the fiercely contested nominating contest.

In nationwide "Super Tuesday" primary contests in February for instance, Clinton won the Latino vote by around two-to-one over Obama, according to exit polls.

Gallup said that support for Obama was consistent across demographic groups in the Hispanic community. Only 18 percent of the survey sample identified themselves as Republicans.

McCain's hopes of attracting a strong vote from Hispanics were hampered by the failure of a comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress last year, which he supported, despite the risk of alienating conservative Republicans.

The Arizona senator now says that vigorous border enforcement measures must be put in place before the status of millions of illegal immigrants living in America can be addressed.

The nationwide Gallup survey was conducted among 4,604 Hispanic registered voters, between March 7 and June 30, with a margin of error of plus two percentage points.

link


Sure, he can have this very small category. He is pandering to them by promising to give them more of my money. What is not to like?


I personally prefer that to spending 13-billion every month in Iraq. Gee, isn't that a novel idea!
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woiyo
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:05 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
woiyo wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
Obama dominates McCain among Hispanics: poll
Published: Wednesday July 2, 2008

Democrat Barack Obama has a dominant lead over Republican John McCain among Hispanic voters, despite his struggle to woo the key bloc during his presidential primary campaign, a poll found Wednesday.

A Gallup survey put Obama up 59 percent to 29 percent over his rival among registered Hispanic voters across the United States. The community will likely play a pivotal role in general election swing states like Colorado, New Mexico and Florida.

The poll was published as McCain made a three-day trip through Colombia and Mexico, designed to burnish his foreign policy credentials, which was also seen as an attempt to win favor among Hispanic voters in the United States.

The poll appears to indicate that many Hispanic voters have shifted their support to Obama from his vanquished Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, who built a Latino powerbase during the fiercely contested nominating contest.

In nationwide "Super Tuesday" primary contests in February for instance, Clinton won the Latino vote by around two-to-one over Obama, according to exit polls.

Gallup said that support for Obama was consistent across demographic groups in the Hispanic community. Only 18 percent of the survey sample identified themselves as Republicans.

McCain's hopes of attracting a strong vote from Hispanics were hampered by the failure of a comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress last year, which he supported, despite the risk of alienating conservative Republicans.

The Arizona senator now says that vigorous border enforcement measures must be put in place before the status of millions of illegal immigrants living in America can be addressed.

The nationwide Gallup survey was conducted among 4,604 Hispanic registered voters, between March 7 and June 30, with a margin of error of plus two percentage points.

link


Sure, he can have this very small category. He is pandering to them by promising to give them more of my money. What is not to like?


I personally prefer that to spending 13-billion every month in Iraq. Gee, isn't that a novel idea!


ANOTHER ILLOGICAL LIBERAL RESPONSE.

Are you suggesting if we were not spending X in Iraq, we would all get a refund?

Quite possible the Feds would use that 13B and send it to Calif to bail that State out of its mess due to the City of SF decision to be a "safe harbor" city for criminal aliens.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:09 am
waiyo wrote: Are you suggesting if we were not spending X in Iraq, we would all get a refund?

Quite possible the Feds would use that 13B and send it to Calif to bail that State out of its mess due to the City of SF decision to be a "safe harbor" city for criminal aliens.

I didn't suggest any such thing; where do you conservatives come up with all these imaginative ideas?

To even suggest that the feds would send 13B (one month spending in Iraq) to California makes you look even stupider than you are.

Come back down to earth if that's at all possible.
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woiyo
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:25 am
Come back with a reasonable argument, would be a first for you.

Face the reality, you are a partisen Democrat (AKA SHEEP) who trust Democrats exclusively.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:46 am
woiyo wrote:
Come back with a reasonable argument, would be a first for you.

Face the reality, you are a partisen Democrat (AKA SHEEP) who trust Democrats exclusively.


Another ignorant remark; I'm not a "partisen Democrat" who trust democrats exclusively." Your memory has much to be desired; a year ago, McCain would have been my choice, but that changed for several reasons; he didn't remember who was training al Qaida, he voted for Bush's torture bill, and most recently couldn't name the African country in his statement.

Another potential GOP was Ron Paul, but if you've been keeping up with the news, he is no longer in the running.

Finally, my brother is a conservative, and he's in this state's legislature; he's not a pure conservative - bless him.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 11:49 am
woiyo, I don't give it much hope, but try to remember this. I'm registered as an independent, and have voted for conservatives most of my life - even when I was registered as a democrat.
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woiyo
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:26 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Come back with a reasonable argument, would be a first for you.

Face the reality, you are a partisen Democrat (AKA SHEEP) who trust Democrats exclusively.


Another ignorant remark; I'm not a "partisen Democrat" who trust democrats exclusively." Your memory has much to be desired; a year ago, McCain would have been my choice, but that changed for several reasons; he didn't remember who was training al Qaida, he voted for Bush's torture bill, and most recently couldn't name the African country in his statement.

Another potential GOP was Ron Paul, but if you've been keeping up with the news, he is no longer in the running.

Finally, my brother is a conservative, and he's in this state's legislature; he's not a pure conservative - bless him.


Yea...right Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:07 pm
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Come back with a reasonable argument, would be a first for you.

Face the reality, you are a partisen Democrat (AKA SHEEP) who trust Democrats exclusively.


Another ignorant remark; I'm not a "partisen Democrat" who trust democrats exclusively." Your memory has much to be desired; a year ago, McCain would have been my choice, but that changed for several reasons; he didn't remember who was training al Qaida, he voted for Bush's torture bill, and most recently couldn't name the African country in his statement.

Another potential GOP was Ron Paul, but if you've been keeping up with the news, he is no longer in the running.

Finally, my brother is a conservative, and he's in this state's legislature; he's not a pure conservative - bless him.


Yea...right Rolling Eyes


That's right; just try to remember it. I give it little hope.
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okie
 
  1  
Wed 2 Jul, 2008 03:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:


And you think ONLY the "Bush" family was involved with an Arab oil interest?

Since the Bin Laden family is large and diverse and involved in "oil" EVERY American oil company has had "involvement" to some degree with Arab Oil Interests.

http://www.virginia.edu/igpr/APAG/apagoilhistory.html

This is a tired, old and STUPID argument put forth by narrow minded liberals.

I think they know this, woiyo, perhaps not all of them do, but they should, but for many it is nothing more than a diversionary argument that is used to defend Obama. They did it for Clinton before they threw her under the Bus, in favor of another prize winning horse that they are betting on now. Intellectual honest? There isn't much.


okie, Where did anybody claim ONLY the Bush family was involved? You're inserting assertions NEVER stated.

What other president was involved?


okie, You are an arse; who ever said ONLY the Bush family was involved?

I simply agreed with woiyo that Bush's oil company was not unique, in having investors from the Arab world, and I made the point that the argument that Bush's oil company investors were similar to some of Obama's friends was diversionary and obviously bogus, like comparing apples to oranges. Seriously, ci, read the posts a little better.
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