sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 07:26 am
engineer wrote:
But you can find a dozen threads where Obama detractors (there don't seem to be actual McCain supporters)


Laughing (Good observation.)
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 07:49 am
sozobe wrote:
engineer wrote:
But you can find a dozen threads where Obama detractors (there don't seem to be actual McCain supporters)


Laughing (Good observation.)


Bad observation.
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revel
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 08:13 am
Ticomaya wrote:
sozobe wrote:
engineer wrote:
But you can find a dozen threads where Obama detractors (there don't seem to be actual McCain supporters)


Laughing (Good observation.)


Bad observation.


Good comeback. Rolling Eyes Smile
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 08:16 am
high five
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 08:17 am
Got caught in the moment
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 08:34 am
Nobody really wants Obama to be president, but the irrational hatred of republicans
has pushed this super liberal poser into the limelight for his 15 minutes of fame.

Cooler heads will prevail and McCain will be elected our next president.
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revel
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 08:54 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Nobody really wants Obama to be president, but the irrational hatred of republicans
has pushed this super liberal poser into the limelight for his 15 minutes of fame.

Cooler heads will prevail and McCain will be elected our next president.


Cooler heads will prevail? This from a party of "bring them on" inciting violence in a country where our troops were/are at risk? From a party which has said the Geneva Convention was quaint so redefined torture? Who thinks the answer to every financial woe is to lower taxes or interest rates even when we have higher expenses including an optional war we never needed in the first place deserting a war from AQ who actually did attack us and now we are reaping the benefits from that in Pakistan and Taliban and AQ regrouped in Afghanistan so we are having to try and stem that tide? What is so cool about those heads that we need more of the same? I think it is time we have some elitist who actually think things out and have actual plans for success rather than empty hot headed macho slogans of b rated Hollywood cowboy movies. (Wanted Dead or Alive in case any has by some weird chance forgotten.) Not to mention the fact that the last description people would ascribed to McCain is a cool head.

Obama represents the "change" from the current administration into back what we had before Bush IMO nothing uncool about it. McCain represents more of the same.
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Ticomaya
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:24 am
Quote:
June 24, 2008, 0:00 a.m.

10 Concerns about Barack Obama


By William J. Bennett & Seth Leibsohn

1. Barack Obama's foreign policy is dangerous, naïve, and betrays a profound misreading of history.2. Barack Obama's Iraq policy will hand al-Qaeda a victory and undercut our entire position in the Middle East, while at the same time put a huge source of oil in the hands of terrorists.3. Barack Obama has sent mixed, confusing, and inconsistent messages on his policy toward Israel. Earlier this month, Barack Obama told an audience at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided." The next day, Obama backtracked, stating: "Obviously, it's [Jerusalem] going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues…And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations." Later, Obama's Middle East adviser tried to explain the flipping of positions on Jerusalem by stating Obama did not understand what he was saying to AIPAC: "[h]e used a word to represent what he did not want to see again, and then realized afterwards that that word is a code word in the Middle East."

Such quick switches of policy may stem from mere inexperience or they may stem from a general tone-deafness on the meaning of words and policy when it comes to the Middle East. After all, earlier this year, a leading Hamas official endorsed Barack Obama stating, "I do believe [Obama] is like John Kennedy, a great man with a great principle. And he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community, but not with humiliation and arrogance." Rather than immediately renouncing such an endorsement, Obama's chief political strategist, David Axelrod, embraced the endorsement, saying "We all agree that John Kennedy was a great president, and it's flattering when anybody says that Barack Obama would follow in his footsteps." Given Barack Obama's long-standing ties to Palestinian activists in the U.S., one has good cause to wonder.

4. While his Mideast policy may have been the quickest turnaround or flip-flop on a major issue, it is not the only one.
In the primary campaign, Barack Obama consistently campaigned against NAFTA, but has now changed his tune, as he has with other issues. During the primary, Obama sent out a campaign flier that said "Only Barack Obama consistently opposed NAFTA," and called it a "bad trade deal." He also said NAFTA was "devastating," "a big mistake," and in what the Washington Post labeled as a unilateral threat to withdraw from NAFTA, Obama said "I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage."

No longer. Recently, Barack Obama backtracked on NAFTA and said, "I'm not a big believer in doing things unilaterally." "I'm a big believer in opening up a dialogue and figuring out how we can make this work for all people." He explained his primary campaign opposition this way: "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified."

This is of a piece with his further change of position on public campaign financing. As a primary candidate, he touted his support for the public financing of presidential campaigns, but then witnessing his own fundraising prowess, as a general election candidate he has gone the unique route of forswearing the system. As David Brooks put it in the New York Times:
    Barack Obama has worked on political reform more than any other issue. He aspires to be to political reform what Bono is to fighting disease in Africa. He's spent much of his career talking about how much he believes in public financing. In January 2007, he told Larry King that the public-financing system works. In February 2007, he challenged Republicans to limit their spending and vowed to do so along with them if he were the nominee. In February 2008, he said he would aggressively pursue spending limits. He answered a Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire by reminding everyone that he has been a longtime advocate of the public-financing system. But Thursday, at the first breath of political inconvenience, Fast Eddie Obama threw public financing under the truck.

5. Barack Obama's judgment about personal and professional affiliations is more than troubling.
    Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama's aides…. Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group's president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.

6. Obama is simply out of step with how terrorists should be handled; he would turn back the clock on how we fight terrorism, using the failed strategy of the 1990s as opposed to the post-9/11 strategy that has kept us safe. 7. Barack Obama's economic policies would hurt the economy. As Kimberly Strassel recently put it in the Wall Street Journal: "Mr. Obama is hawking a tax policy that would take the nation back to the effective marginal tax rates of the Carter days. He wants to further tax income, payroll, capital gains, dividends and death. His philosophy is pure redistribution."

When Barack Obama speaks of taxing only the wealthy, keep in mind this could have a devastating effect on new small businesses. As Irwin Stelzer has written: "Taxes change behavior. By raising rates on upper income payers, Obama is reducing their incentive to work and take risks. The income tax increase is not all that he has in mind for them. He plans to increase their payroll taxes, the taxes they pay on dividends received and capital gains earned, and on any transfers they might have in mind to their kith and kin when they shuffle off this mortal coil. If the aggregate of these additional taxes substantially diminishes incentives to set up a small business of the sort that has created most of the new jobs in recent decades, the $1,000 tax rebate will be more than offset by the consequences of reduced growth and new business formation."

8. Barack Obama opposes drilling on and offshore to reduce gas and oil prices. While Barack Obama has opposed off-shore drilling and a gas-tax holiday (as supported by John McCain or Hillary Clinton), his solution to our energy crisis does include additional tax burdens on oil company profits, taxes we can only imagine will be passed on to the consumer, thus causing an even more expensive trip to the gas station. As the New York Times recently detailed, ethanol subsidies are a major plank in Barack Obama's view of energy independence and national security; the "Obama Camp is Closely Linked with Ethanol," and "Mr. Obama…favors [ethanol] subsidies, some of which end up in the hands of the same oil companies he says should be subjected to a windfall profits tax."

9. Barack Obama is to the left of Hillary Clinton and NARAL on the issue of life. As a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, a law that would have protected babies if they survived an attempted abortion and were delivered alive. When a similar bill was proposed in the United States Senate, it passed unanimously and even the National Abortion Rights Action League issued a statement saying they did not oppose the law.

10. Barack Obama is actually to the left of every member of the U.S. Senate.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:30 am
Quote:
William J. Bennett & Seth Leibsohn


That's really all one needs to read.... Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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engineer
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:32 am
Ticomaya wrote:
sozobe wrote:
engineer wrote:
But you can find a dozen threads where Obama detractors (there don't seem to be actual McCain supporters)


Laughing (Good observation.)


Bad observation.

Shouldn't you be posting an article on "10 reasons to vote for McCain"?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:39 am
engineer wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
sozobe wrote:
engineer wrote:
But you can find a dozen threads where Obama detractors (there don't seem to be actual McCain supporters)


Laughing (Good observation.)


Bad observation.

Shouldn't you be posting an article on "10 reasons to vote for McCain"?


Well, there really are only about 4, so you would have to stretch.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:46 am
From Tino's list: 1. Barack Obama's foreign policy is dangerous, naïve, and betrays a profound misreading of history.


This describes George Bush to a "t." Bush never understood the history of Iraq, nor the simple fact that we wouldn't be received as liberators but occupiers.
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:53 am
Maybe you should get up to speed on your current events, Iraqi's are happy to
have us liberate and protect them while they work on getting there act together.
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revel
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 09:59 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Maybe you should get up to speed on your current events, Iraqi's are happy to
have us liberate and protect them while they work on getting there act together.


Yea, where do you get your information, the fox news express? Most last recent polls say otherwise.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 24 Jun, 2008 10:05 am
Seems H2O man doesn't keep up with the "real" news. He's a fan of FOX news and trusts Bush and his minions; we've been making progress for the past five years. That's longer than WWII, and Iraq never had the means to threaten us or their neighbors.

What are we doing in Iraq, except for the fact that it's Bush's war?

Most Americans want out; that's another fact ignored by H2O.
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revel
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 10:24 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 11:31 am
Obama is crushing McCain on the issue of Energy, which is listed as the most important issue by most voters in a recent Gallup survey.

Quote:
Poll: Obama Holds Huge Advantage Over McCain On Energy
By Greg Sargent - June 24, 2008, 1:00PM

A new Gallup poll finds that Obama holds a huge and striking advantage over McCain on which is more trusted to handle energy issues.

And not only that, it also finds that energy policy, by one measure, has now become the number one concern of voters.

The poll finds that Obama leads McCain by 19 points (47%-28%) on the question of who would do a better job handling energy policy, including gas prices. It also finds that 51% say that energy and gas prices are "extremely important" in determining their vote, higher than the economy (49%) or Iraq (44%).

It's worth pointing out that energy policy is central to McCain's strategy -- pushing an energy plan has emerged as one of the key ways in which he's hoping to achieve separation from Bush and the GOP.

However effective that larger effort may prove, on the straight-up question of which candidate is more trusted to handle the actual specifics of energy policy, Obama is simply crushing McCain.


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/poll_obama_holds_huge_advantag.php

It seems that most people don't think we can drill our way out of this problem.

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 12:35 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Maybe you should get up to speed on your current events, Iraqi's are happy to
have us liberate and protect them while they work on getting there act together.


Hey waterboy, wanna back that up?

T
K
O?
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H2O MAN
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 01:21 pm
If you would get your heads out of your rectums you would see things more clearly.

Only then will you have a clue.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jun, 2008 01:25 pm
H2O MAN wrote: "...while they work on getting there act together."


ROFLMAO
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