edgarblythe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:19 pm
When the working class realizes how badly the "conservative" Republicans have bamboozled them, that's going to change.
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cjhsa
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:21 pm
You mean when they get bamboozled by the left?
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sozobe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:22 pm
cjhsa, while I'm interested in what more moderate/ independent people think of Obama, I'm under no illusions that he'd get 100% of the vote. There are going to be a lot of people who disagree with him, which is fine. He just needs a majority, which usually isn't even 50%. (Yes I know Gore got the simple majority, insert standard electoral college blahblahblah disclaimer here.)
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cjhsa
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:26 pm
Well, as a former "moderate independent", I'll tell you that he seems like the real deal, smart and honest. I do have concerns with any politician from the state of Illinois though. The Land of Lincoln is now the Land of Subjects.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:28 pm
Hey, that's actually much more positive than I'd expect. Great to get that perspective from you, thanks.
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Swimpy
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 01:50 pm
cj, I hope you are not just voting for someone because of one issue. That's what got us into this mess. The abortion issue (and I know that's not your issue) has divided this nation ever since Roe v. Wade was decided. Politicians before Reagan were wise enough to know what a divisive issue it was. Reagan sought to divide and conquer. His Republican followers have done the same, catering to the religious conservatives. The result has been that many people have joined the Republican Party under the false assumption that they have the corner on morality. Working class folks have been sold a bill of goods. The Republican Party does not now, nor has it ever, fought for the little guy.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 02:15 pm
snood wrote:
No, I knew that, edgar - I was just wondering if it would cause a problem with those like you and others here, who don't have those beliefs.


I have no problem with a religious person being in office, as long as he keeps his personal religious preferences out of public life. Jimmy Carter is an extremely devoutly religious person, yet he did not wear his faith on his sleeve, nor did he attempt to pass laws that are consonant with the teachings of his religion.
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snood
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 02:16 pm
Thanks Phoenix. also edgar and Sozobe, for answering my query.
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Thomas
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 02:26 pm
snood wrote:
Do you think this could cause him a problem with certain very leftwing people, or that it will enamor him at all with those more moderate, or even on the other side of the aisle?

I don't think so. Did Martin Luther King have a problem with very left-wing people? Do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? I would have said they are getting the least flak from left-wingers. So why should it be different for Obama?
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snood
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 02:31 pm
Don't know that it should be any different.

Was simply asking what others thought.

Obama doesn't exactly fit the mold of any of those other candidates, so how people will react to him is not foregone, by any means.
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snood
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:01 pm
Here's a very recent interview with Obama and the editor of the New Yorker magazine.... some pointed comments...

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/magazines/barack_obama_i_inhaled_that_was_the_point_46068.asp
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JPB
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:07 pm
Thomas wrote:
snood wrote:
Do you think this could cause him a problem with certain very leftwing people, or that it will enamor him at all with those more moderate, or even on the other side of the aisle?

I don't think so. Did Martin Luther King have a problem with very left-wing people? Do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? I would have said they are getting the least flak from left-wingers. So why should it be different for Obama?


I can't speak for left-wingers in general, but I think both of these men push a lot of buttons on both side of the bird.
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JPB
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:08 pm
snood, I don't think anyone expects a candidate to not have faith or be religious just so long as they practice their own faith (as all Presidents have done) and don't try to make it the 'faith of the people'.
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snood
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:27 pm
Still, since it will definitely be made an issue of if he runs, it is a legitimate topic for discussion.
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JPB
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 03:35 pm
of course.
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 04:26 pm
Those old enough will recall, a great deal was made over Kennedy being a Catholic.
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nimh
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:17 pm
cjhsa wrote:
You see, it used to be that liberals were the working class. Now, we have these urbanites, products of our liberal universities and their tenured turdfessors, who suddenly represent the left.

Thats all image, and no reality.

Fact check: the richer someone is, the more likely he was to vote for Bush. The poorer someone is, the more likely he was to vote for Kerry.

nimh wrote:
Here's the exit poll data for the presidential elections. Note, the exit polls may have been imperfect, especially when it came to predicting individual states; but they've got these overall totals at Bush 50, Kerry 49, so pretty much on-target on the top lines.

Here's the numbers by income:

2003 total family income:

Code:
% Total Kerry Bush Nader

Under $15,000 8 63 36 1

$15,000-$29,999 15 58 41 0

$30,000-$49,999 22 51 48 0

$50,000-$74,999 23 44 55 1

$75,000-$99,999 14 46 53 0

$100,000-$149,999 11 43 56 1

$150,000-$199,999 4 43 57 -

$200,000 or more 3 37 62 1



The working class still votes Democratic.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 05:29 pm
Good reality check there nimh, thanks.

Snood, that interview with Remnick looks interesting. Looking forward to seeing more of it (maybe there's a transcript out there somewhere, haven't looked yet). Especially I'd like to see more about what he said re: drug use.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 06:06 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
Those old enough will recall, a great deal was made over Kennedy being a Catholic.


Oh, how the times have changed. I remember how the media was so concerned that if Kennedy were elected, he would take his "marching orders" directly from Rome. Gratefully, Kennedy was wise enough to keep his religion and his presidency separate.

So I think that what we have now are people who don't mind religion being insinuated into the government, so long as it is THEIR religion.
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 24 Oct, 2006 07:51 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
edgarblythe wrote:
Those old enough will recall, a great deal was made over Kennedy being a Catholic.


Oh, how the times have changed. I remember how the media was so concerned that if Kennedy were elected, he would take his "marching orders" directly from Rome. Gratefully, Kennedy was wise enough to keep his religion and his presidency separate.

So I think that what we have now are people who don't mind religion being insinuated into the government, so long as it is THEIR religion.


Unfortunately.
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