Obama '08?

Butrflynet wrote:

Great picture from the town hall meeting in Nevada on the housing crisis there.




More here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/27/16015/7137/60/523713

Sweet photo. Reminds me of:

Obama wrote:

I'm not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't talk about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. No, I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a mill worker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too. The audacity of hope!

Obama dogged by endorsements from the wrong people:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/28/obama-dogged-by-praise-from-americas-foes/

"In a presidential race in which unwanted, damaging endorsements seem far more plentiful than endorsements that actually could help, Barack Obama has had the unfortunate distinction of being a magnet for such well-wishers.

The latest unsought praise for the Democratic front-runner came from Fidel Castro, who wrote in a column for Cuba's Granma newspaper Monday that Obama is "the most progressive candidate to the U.S. presidency.""

Quote:

Electoral College:While national polls garner attention, they have no direct bearing on choosing our next President. A state-by-state count of electoral votes is the key to analyzing the presidential race.

For the first time this year, we run through all 50 states plus the District of Columbia in order to handicap the presidential race. Outlook: If the election were held today, we see a McCain victory by the narrowest of margins.

The electoral map looks nearly identical to 2004, with Iowa and Colorado swinging into the Democratic camp. Beneath the surface, however, we see Michigan and Pennsylvania becoming more competitive for Republicans.

The election will hinge on two regions: Lake Erie and the Mountain West. An Obama win in New Mexico or Nevada would be enough to tip the scales, but a McCain win in Pennsylvania could put the race out of reach. In the end, as always, it comes down to Ohio, where Obama's weakness among rural whites could send McCain to the White House. McCain 270, Obama 268.

I can't speak for anyone else. As for how I would act if the roles were reversed and Hillary was the nominee, I just had that conversation with my wife - she is of the opinion that she would just stay home rather than vote for Hillary.

I said that if I was ever about any kind of principles - if I ever really wanted tax cuts for the middle, universal healthcare, protection of right to choose, sensible gun regulation, etc. - then I would have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

I don't see how I can say I was ever for anything I say I'm for, and then do some kind of "statement" vote for McCain.

So that's the yardstick I'm using to measure the behavior I'm seeing.

snood, I can really understand your indignation towards Hillary, because I'm not a supporter of either Obama or McCain, but the Clinton bullshyte takes the cake; four days to say she lost. Is this a new record for stubborness or what? What is she trying to prove except she'll remain in the media for another four days?

What is more surprising is the backlash this thing is taking; they'll vote for McCain instead. Another bullshyte.

Elections are messy, but this one belongs in the history books for sure.

It's about me, me, me, and me; what an ego-maniac.

Do you think the NY woman who has recently enjoyed her 15 minutes of fame thanks to an emotional outburst on video is a bigot? An idiot? (This is not to argue that she is neither, but to pose honest questions)

I would find it more illogical for a Hillary supporter to vote for McCain rather than Obama if McCain did not hold so many "liberal" positions.

It is certainly more illogical for a Republican opponent of McCain to vote vote for Clinton or Obama, than for a Clinton supporter to vote for McCain, but it's not difficult to see how someone might consider the latter a purely emotional response.

Considering that the appeal of Obama is so deeply based in personality, and the contemptuous regard so many Obama supporters have had for Clinton, it's a bit disingenuous for Obama supporters to now scold the Clinton faithful for taking this competition somewhat personally.

The Winner and his or her supporters always want the losers to shrug off losing and get with the program. Clinton's supporters would feel the same way if she had won and Obama supporters vowed to either vote for McCain or stay home.

In any case, the Winners are likely to have a better chance of getting want they want if they exhibit some grace and avoid insulting demands of the Losers and their candidate.

I hope you don't of course, but it's a thought you may want to consider.

rabel22 wrote:

All I hear from you and him is change. Just exactly what Bush said in order to get elected. Instead of telling me I don't listen why don't you tell me what he really believes and how he is going to accomplish what he claims he is going to do. All I have ever heard from you is go to his spin sites which I never do because they are brain washing sites which say nothing wether dem or rep. So when you say nothing your right I don't hear anything.

Well, heck. What would you like me to discuss, specifically? It's difficult for us to move forward without knowledge of specific topics, as there are so many different aspects of governance that he has discussed...

I promise not to send you any site, either.

Cycloptichorn

Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda

Then YOU'D get, what you deserve, AGAIN! A REALLY "EFFED" up country! I'd be like Susan Sarandan and LEAVE!

You are dead right, Snood. Other than the 2012 theory, her behavior has been completely inexplicable for more than a month now (I don't want to give the Bobby Kennedy theory any credence). Tuesday through Saturday with her 18 million BS after losing is undeniably doing harm to her Party's chances of winning in the General. Reasons to support her actions are:

If you're a Republican. If you're a Bigot. If you're an idiot. If [i]anyone [/i]can provide another reason(s); I'd love to hear it.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

You are dead right, Snood. Other than the 2012 theory, her behavior has been completely inexplicable for more than a month now (I don't want to give the Bobby Kennedy theory any credence). Tuesday through Saturday with her 18 million BS after losing is undeniably doing harm to her Party's chances of winning in the General. Reasons to support her actions are:

If you're a Republican. If you're a Bigot. If you're an idiot. If [i]anyone [/i]can provide another reason(s); I'd love to hear it.

that's the thing... you would hear it... but you would not consider it.

When you make it clear that you must be a repub and idiot or a bigot.... well, what's the incentive for trying to be reasonable?

I guess today we will finally find out, "What does Hillary want?"

I have heard this question and seen the soundbite of her saying this over and over since Obama won. I've been trying to figure out why I should give a f*ck. I got nothing.

WHO GIVES A **** WHAT HILLARY WANTS?! YOU LOST! GET OFF THE STAGE AND OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT YOU ATTENTION WHORE!

[anybody who doesn't embrace the particular messianic fervor of the day--no matter what the subject--will be branded "repub" or "rightwingnut" or "racist" or "bigot" or "idiot".

kickycan wrote:

I guess today we will finally find out, "What does Hillary want?"

I have heard this question and seen the soundbite of her saying this over and over since Obama won. I've been trying to figure out why I should give a f*ck. I got nothing.

WHO GIVES A **** WHAT HILLARY WANTS?! YOU LOST! GET OFF THE STAGE AND OUT OF THE SPOTLIGHT YOU ATTENTION WHORE!

Hillary still has the ability to either unite the party or keep it bitterly divided.... and whether she's right or wrong... an admirably tenacious warrior or a harpy piece of ****... only a fool would not be interested in what she wants... Obama is interested and has taken steps to find out.... as an Obama supporter you should take a page from his book....you do want your guy to win, right?

kicky I have a lot of "real time " friends... young and old, black, white and every hue in between, male and female, who support Obama and we have had many discussions about this election and we disagree on many things.
Same with the McCain supporters I know, although I don't know as many who support McCain.

Only on A2K have I been branded an idiot, a hater and a racist. Only here.