Obama '08?

Foxfyre wrote:

Do you have a source for who said that the GOP sent out emails Butrfly?

That isn't what I said. Go back and reread it.

But, to answer your question, yes.

cicerone imposter wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:

"It reminds me that he might have an anger management issue." hahaha. Projecting McCain's personality disorders onto Obama wont work.

Spot on! Before we know it, all the weaknesses of McCain will be applied to Obama.

Weakness?

Jesus, mysteryman - as if the credibility of the source is going to affect how well you accept some information that's damaging to the right.

Butrflynet wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Do you have a source for who said that the GOP sent out emails Butrfly?

That isn't what I said. Go back and reread it.

But, to answer your question, yes.

And that source is...?

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As the superdelegates flocked to Obama, the Republican national committee released a memo describing what it deems are his chief weaknesses heading into the general election against Republican nominee John McCain. The party said the prolonged nomination fight has left the party in a state of "disunity".

"He will inherit a fractured party that is deeply divided over his role as standard-bearer and his ability to be president," the memo read.

The party said that his support in primary contests has been eroding, and noted he has lost a majority of elections to Clinton since March 4.

"Obama is not wearing well as a candidate and has lost momentum since his high point in February," the memo read.

There's plenty more instances if you just Google this or that phrase from the memo with quotation marks around it.

Obama specifically proposed 'economic incentives' for the Iranians to stop supporting terrorism and their nuke program.

And that's the exact correct move. Conservative warmongers will moan about us 'buying them off' or some such. But it's far cheaper then the alternative. Military action costs money, lives, and goodwill.

Get them into the system. Their people WANT to be in the system. Give them the opportunity and they will moderate themselves.

And if not - it isn't like our stick ever goes away. We could swoop in pretty much whenever we want and kick their asses if that's what things come to. So why not keep that aside for when it's actually needed?

Cycloptichorn

Tomorrow morning [June 4th], all parents can look their children in the eye and say with all earnestness: If you work hard enough, if you are talented enough, you can be elected president.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Obama specifically proposed 'economic incentives' for the Iranians to stop supporting terrorism and their nuke program.

And that's the exact correct move. Conservative warmongers will moan about us 'buying them off' or some such. But it's far cheaper then the alternative. Military action costs money, lives, and goodwill.

Get them into the system. Their people WANT to be in the system. Give them the opportunity and they will moderate themselves.

And if not - it isn't like our stick ever goes away. We could swoop in pretty much whenever we want and kick their asses if that's what things come to. So why not keep that aside for when it's actually needed?

Cycloptichorn

How naive of you.

What economic incentives are there? Oil?

Iran knows they have it, and we do not. Iran has other "customers" and does not need American Dollars.

So exactly what incentive is there for Iran to talk to the US about anything but removal of our presense from the region and the destruction of Isreal.

What Obama does not realize due to his inexperience is when you enter a negotiation, you must have something to negotiate.

"Those incentives amount to basically withdrawal of all of the existing sanctions, diplomatic normalization, overt support for WTO (World Trade Organization) accession and of course security guarantees," he said.

This snippet from a NYT letter to the editor made me smile this morning:

Stephen M. Ahron wrote:

Tomorrow morning [June 4th], all parents can look their children in the eye and say with all earnestness: If you work hard enough, if you are talented enough, you can be elected president.

Ticomaya wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:

"It reminds me that he might have an anger management issue." hahaha. Projecting McCain's personality disorders onto Obama wont work.

Spot on! Before we know it, all the weaknesses of McCain will be applied to Obama.

Weakness?

McCain's anger management issues.

Yeah, but what's changed about that? The same could have been said -- with the same earnestness -- before "tomorrow morning."

... and here, Tico, is one of those places in the press where the memo came up:

Quote:

As the superdelegates flocked to Obama, the Republican national committee released a memo describing what it deems are his chief weaknesses heading into the general election against Republican nominee John McCain. The party said the prolonged nomination fight has left the party in a state of "disunity".

"He will inherit a fractured party that is deeply divided over his role as standard-bearer and his ability to be president," the memo read.

The party said that his support in primary contests has been eroding, and noted he has lost a majority of elections to Clinton since March 4.

"Obama is not wearing well as a candidate and has lost momentum since his high point in February," the memo read.

There's plenty more instances if you just Google this or that phrase from the memo with quotation marks around it.

Emails were sent out to the GOP talking heads today with the following talking points to be pushed to their media contacts. We're already seeing these points in the press, and now we know where they came from. ...

Nope.

(The Lieberman episode was about a willingness to confront when confrontation was called for, but "anger management"? How? The story includes mutual back-pats and smiles. This vs. McCain yelling expletives at friends and foes and wives alike, and not jokingly either.)

Ticomaya wrote:

Yeah, but what's changed about that? The same could have been said -- with the same earnestness -- before "tomorrow morning."

Nothing changed hugely, but it's one of those moment things -- a summing-up, a wow, this is really happening.

Well I do find it interesting that it's a weakness for McCain, but when Obama shows a lack of control due to frustration or whatever, it's a positive: shows he has backbone and a willingness to confront when confrontation is called for.

Ticomaya wrote:

sozobe wrote:

Nothing changed hugely, but it's one of those moment things -- a summing-up, a wow, this is really happening.

Yes, it's been happening.

Yes, it has. I'm not disputing that. It's been happening, and the actual moment of Obama cementing the nomination was a "wow" moment that focused the "been happening" aspect. This is such a difficult concept?

From the FRENCH PRESS!!!!!!

nimh wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:

"It reminds me that he might have an anger management issue." hahaha. Projecting McCain's personality disorders onto Obama wont work.

Spot on! Before we know it, all the weaknesses of McCain will be applied to Obama.

Weakness?

McCain's anger management issues.

Do you feel Obama's anger management issues are a weakness for him?