One way Obama can go after McCain is to say the very thing McCain brags about are the things that McCain has given up in his zeal to become the republican candidate. Now that he has it and has to appeal to more than right wing conservative; it will be interesting to see him switching back towards the center which he is already doing.
Election pits McCain vs. Obama
I imagine this Iran thing is going to be used to death, but it need not go the way the republicans like if Obama plays it right. Explain how others have suggested we talk to people and how talking does not mean appeasement. Bring up McCain's silly song of "bomb bomb Iran." People are tired of war; I don't think they are in the same mode to be receptive to that sort of thing now as they were when Bush was dressing up in flight suits to enhance his appeal so to speak. Keep comparing McCain and his policies to the Bush administration who is not popular. Point out the ways in which they make no difference even if McCain claims they do. There is a lot of ways Obama can fight McCain and win if he don't get bogged down into the same silly stuff Hillary pulled being repeated by McCain. Those things might work for McCain whereas they didn't with Hillary. Mostly Obama does not need to try and out macho McCain, it would backfire.
sozobe wrote:dlowan wrote:I guess some of the unusual insanity around here returns to the normal insanity?
Nah... we've got a general election to gear up for!!! :-D
I think unusual insanity will last through, hmmm, December 4th? Takes about a month after the election for things to calm down I think.
Think you missed my point. :wink:
I am used to the normal election insanity.......but the Hillary/Obama thing appears to have created unusual insanity and animosity between some of our dear friends....or at least it channelled it in some unaccustomed ways.
Now, will the sides return to the more normal and accustomed sniping at each other more or less in the usual teams?
Just heard a massive yell from a newscast of parts of Obama's speech...quite apropos!
Sigh...now the real attacks on Obama begin....I can't watch. May their swiftboats sink in the rapids.
I see.
I dunno. I dislike the whole "sides" concept in general. Cycloptichorn is supposedly on my "side" but he irritates me sometimes. (Luv ya, O one-eyed-one.) Bear is supposedly not on my "side," (as he is fond of bemoaning), but I still like him and wish him well.
And that'll extend to the general too -- Okie is not on my "side" and frequently says things I couldn't disagree with more, but then sometimes he goes and says really interesting things, too. Blueflame is on my "side," and often posts really good stuff, but sometimes is way too out there for me.
And so it goes.
sozobe wrote:dlowan wrote:I guess some of the unusual insanity around here returns to the normal insanity?
Nah... we've got a general election to gear up for!!! :-D
I think unusual insanity will last through, hmmm, December 4th? Takes about a month after the election for things to calm down I think.
You're assuming that the voting machines in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are working. How naive can you be? January 20, 2009, at least!
Way to harsh my mellow, dude!
:-)
Well, I'm going to be bitterly combating Thomas's absurd, wide-eyed, right-wing economic politics no matter what happens!
<insert gun-totin' smiley>
BBB
Congratulations to Barak Obama and his supporters. I'm so proud of the work my daughter, Butrflynet, has done and will continue to do for his campaign.
Now we move on to beat the Republicans from top to bottom for the good of our country.
BBB
nimh wrote:Well, I'm going to be bitterly combating Thomas's absurd, wide-eyed, right-wing economic politics no matter what happens!
<insert gun-totin' smiley>
Alright, you Soros-funded pinko extremist. (At least your smiley honors the work libertarians do to protect your Second Amendment rights.)
nimh wrote:Thomas wrote:(At least your smiley honors the work libertarians do to protect your Second Amendment rights.)
Oh, drat! Foiled again..
Erm.....do Dutch people living in Hungary experience second amendment rights? Whatever the **** they are?
Congratulations to the Obama supporters and on to the general campaign. May the best man win as it won't be a woman.
World welcomes Obama win
Obamamania goes global as people around the world hail historic moment in US politics
JILL LAWLESS
AP News
Jun 04, 2008 08:09 EST
Excitement about Barack Obama emerged as a global phenomenon Wednesday as commentators and citizens around the world welcomed the news that he had sealed the Democratic presidential nomination.
The excitement was less about Obama's foreign policies ?- which remain vague on many fronts ?- than a sense that the candidacy of a black American with relatives in Africa and childhood friends in Asia marks a historic moment.
Michael Cox, a professor of international relations at the London School of Economics, said Obama's win "has sent out a lot of positive signals around the world."
"He has a very appealing persona ?- elegant, fluent, strings lots of sentences together into paragraphs," Cox said. "But in terms of (his) actual policies towards the Middle East, Iraq, Iran, China, Europe ?- actually, we don't know."
In Kenya, home to Obama's family on his father's side, the Kenya Times newspaper devoted its front page to Obama's victory, under the headline "Obama makes history."
"I've just watched him on television, and as a family we are very happy. Really, it is something that is a trendsetter," the politician's uncle, Said Obama, told The Associated Press from the port city of Kisumu in western Kenya.
Indonesians were rooting for the man they consider to be a hometown hero. Obama lived in the predominantly Muslim nation from age 6 to 10 with his mother and Indonesian stepfather and was fondly remembered by former teachers and classmates.
"He was an average student, but very active," said Widianto Hendro Cahyono, 48, who was in the same third-grade class as Obama at SDN Menteng elementary school in Jakarta. "He would play ball during recess until he was dripping with sweat.
"I never imagined he would become a great man."
In Mexico City, hairdresser Susan Mendoza's eyes lit up when she learned Obama had clinched the nomination.
"Bush was for the elite. Obama is of the people," she said.
The German government's coordinator on U.S. relations, Karsten Voigt, said many Germans "find (Obama's) mixture of Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy very attractive."
In an editorial, the Times newspaper of London said Obama's campaign "has rekindled America's faith in its prodigious powers of reinvention ?- and the world's admiration for America."
Obama opposed the invasion of Iraq and has called for an early troop withdrawal. He also has shown willingness to engage in dialogue with Iran, North Korea and Cuba ?- nations long isolated by the policies of Bush.
"He seems to be a peace lover," said Ngo Van Hung, a Vietnamese real-estate salesman. "He would have a better understanding of how to treat people of different nationalities and different countries."
A Chinese scholar said that while he did not expect major changes in U.S. foreign policy, an Obama White House would have a very different tone to a Bush one.
"He will bring new energy into America's domestic politics and foreign policies," said Zhu Feng, deputy director at the Center of International and Strategic Studies at Peking University in Beijing. "It's a good choice for the Democrats."
Obama, however, has made himself unpopular in Pakistan by saying the United States should act alone on information about terrorist targets within the country's national borders, leading some to believe he will not be any different from Bush.
"Obama has threatened attacks against us even before becoming the president, and he will be more dangerous compared to Bush," said Ibrar Ahmad, 34, a lecturer at the Government College in Multan.
"The wrong change looks not to the future but to the past for solutions that have failed us before and will surely fail us again," McCain, 71, said in suburban New Orleans. "I have a few years on my opponent, so I am surprised that a young man has bought into so many failed ideas."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080604/D9137A880.html
Just the beginning of a fun filled campaign.
dlowan wrote:nimh wrote:Thomas wrote:(At least your smiley honors the work libertarians do to protect your Second Amendment rights.)
Oh, drat! Foiled again..
Erm.....do Dutch people living in Hungary experience second amendment rights? Whatever the **** they are?
No they don't. That's why nimh can insert the text, but not the gun-toting smiley itself. That's how repressed he is in Hungary.
Thomas wrote:No they don't. That's why nimh can insert the text, but not the gun-toting smiley itself. That's how repressed he is in Hungary.
Ah, but you forget - I'm an anarchist.
Rev. Joseph Lowery is being interviewed on CNN by Tony Harris -- he looks so happy!
woiyo wrote:"The wrong change looks not to the future but to the past for solutions that have failed us before and will surely fail us again," McCain, 71, said in suburban New Orleans. "I have a few years on my opponent, so I am surprised that a young man has bought into so many failed ideas."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080604/D9137A880.html
Just the beginning of a fun filled campaign.
What are those failed ideas and how are they failed is the question. I imagine he is talking about Obama's statement about talking with Iran. That is not a failed idea. The failed idea is not talking with our enemies which is the same ole same ole policies of this administration.
revel wrote:woiyo wrote:"The wrong change looks not to the future but to the past for solutions that have failed us before and will surely fail us again," McCain, 71, said in suburban New Orleans. "I have a few years on my opponent, so I am surprised that a young man has bought into so many failed ideas."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080604/D9137A880.html
Just the beginning of a fun filled campaign.
What are those failed ideas and how are they failed is the question. I imagine he is talking about Obama's statement about talking with Iran. That is not a failed idea. The failed idea is not talking with our enemies which is the same ole same ole policies of this administration.
I think he's talking about liberalism in general. I heard Karl Rove on Fox "News" saying exactly that last night during his "objective analysis" of Obama's speech.
As Rove is writing the copy for McCain's campaign, that's unsurprising. And not overly worrisome either.
Cycloptichorn
