Obama '08?

And why are the people who are fainting dressed all in black?

Cycloptichorn

"Got faint?" is pretty lame but I thought "The actual content of hope is subject to change" was funny… and looking again; "Not available in all 57 States" is funny too.

"Got faint?" is pretty lame but I thought "The actual content of hope is subject to change" was funny… and looking again; "Not available in all 57 States" is funny too.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

And why are the people who are fainting dressed all in black?

Cycloptichorn

And why do they all appear to be white fainters?

realjohnboy wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

And why are the people who are fainting dressed all in black?

Cycloptichorn

And why do they all appear to be white fainters?

you'll have to ask the kids over at http://thepeoplescube.com/

they'll take a whack at just about anyone








(gotta admit, I find most of their stuff amusing/funny, if more than occasionally mmmm, not acceptable in polite company)


http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1858





(can't post the one I'd really like to, it's tooo ruuude for me to admit to liking )

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Great picture from the town hall meeting in Nevada on the housing crisis there.




More here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/27/16015/7137/60/523713

I'm not talking about blind optimism here -- the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't talk about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. No, I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a mill worker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too. The audacity of hope!

Thomas wrote:

This is not to suggest that Obama is another Bush, just that I'm not terribly impressed when he personally stays above the fray when his campaign does not.

OK... but has his campaign been trafficking in outrage, either?

Their immediate response was, "Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign." Just that, I think. (If there was more, I haven't found it back.)

That's definitely saying "she made a gaffe," but doesn't seem particularly outraged.

Have they been manufacturing or expressing outrage beyond that?

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

Thomas, I know what you mean, and I'm not sure you need to concede that point. I have been by and large happy with how Obama is conducting his campaign. I have no illusions of perfection or purity -- this IS politics. However I'm pretty satisfied that they have a line in mind that they haven't gone over and that they could have gone over many times -- a certain basic decency. (I think Hillary has gone over this line, less often than she is accused of but nonetheless more than once.) But I think they are willing to go right up TO that line if it is politically important.

For example, Hillary has been pushing the VP line hard lately. I firmly believe that Obama does not want her to be the VP, for a lot of reasons including (but not limited to) how she steps on his message ("Change, featuring a former two-term First Lady") and the spectre of Bill lurking around wanting to be a part of things.

But if she makes it abundantly clear she wants the VP position, and he just outright says "no," that's really dangerous for him in terms of uniting the party and bringing her supporters on board.

If this RFK thing is not only a gaffe but a Gaffe, then it becomes more obvious that of course he can't ask her to be VP.

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

No, it just means he acknowledged the Vets at the venue and people looking for gotchas had to make something up.

Butrflynet wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

No, it just means he acknowledged the Vets at the venue and people looking for gotchas had to make something up.

Nothing made up there. He misspoke. Again. And Foxy pointed it out. Again. And you rose to his defense. Again. Nothing made up, and nothing out of the ordinary, really.

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

No, it just means he acknowledged the Vets at the venue and people looking for gotchas had to make something up.

Nothing made up there. He misspoke. Again. And Foxy pointed it out. Again. And you rose to his defense. Again. Nothing made up, and nothing out of the ordinary, really.

Nope, doesn't look like it.

Now, next time McCain 'misspeaks' - which should be anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour from now - we're going to see you jumping on him for it?

Cycloptichorn

Butrflynet wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

No, it just means he acknowledged the Vets at the venue and people looking for gotchas had to make something up.

Nothing made up there. He misspoke. Again. And Foxy pointed it out. Again. And you rose to his defense. Again. Nothing made up, and nothing out of the ordinary, really.

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

So, what's the beef, that he knew that being a fallen hero does not require that you be dead? That he recognized the appropriateness of memorializing not only the dead but the sacrifices of the injured survivors?

Except -- historically -- Memorial Day is to commemorate America's dead soldiers, not the injured survivors.

I know The Rockstar is all about "change," but does that mean he gets to change the meaning of Memorial Day too?

No, it just means he acknowledged the Vets at the venue and people looking for gotchas had to make something up.

Nothing made up there. He misspoke. Again. And Foxy pointed it out. Again. And you rose to his defense. Again. Nothing made up, and nothing out of the ordinary, really.

Of course! We all know that the only soldier worthy of acknowledgement on Memorial Day is a dead soldier.

The fact that Barack Obama chose to recognize the vets in the crowd in the first few sentences of his speech is totally indefensible. My gosh! How unpatriotic and unsupportive of our troops can the man get. I'll bet he wasn't even wearing a flag pin or holding his hand over his heart when he did it too. That's some nerve!

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes-I see many of them standing here today--our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.