Obama '08?

It's just the Cyclo philosophy. He sees himself as a reasonable person sharing his POV. And when he can't support his view, it's your fault cuz you're a troll. Simple.

Take your ball and go home , Cyclo.

There's koolaid in the fridge waiting for ya.

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

It's just the Cyclo philosophy. He sees himself as a reasonable person sharing his POV.

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

You shouldn't expect anything of him, any more than I would expect Bush or McBush to end the Iraq occupation.

Gosh, what a stupid question.

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

It is always intriguing when they set their goal dates well past anything that they will be expected to have accomplished.

real life wrote:

It's just the Cyclo philosophy. He sees himself as a reasonable person sharing his POV. And when he can't support his view, it's your fault cuz you're a troll. Simple.

Take your ball and go home , Cyclo.

There's koolaid in the fridge waiting for ya.

Cyclo is a reasonable person, with a few exceptions, those on the right here merely regurgitate right-wing and oil industry talking points and propaganda as well as denying established scientific fact. Arguing with fence posts is a big waste of time.

It is a total waste of time trying to have discussion with "flat-earthers" who refuse to accept established scientific fact.

The best solution to the climate change crisis is the elimination of the human race. After what we have done to this planet, we really no longer have any right to continue to abuse it to sustain ourselves.

Foxfyre wrote:

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

It is always intriguing when they set their goal dates well past anything that they will be expected to have accomplished.

LOL if he set them for a shorter time, you would say his goals are unachievable. Reducing oil consumption 35% by 2010? Why am I even talking to you people?

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

You shouldn't expect anything of him, any more than I would expect Bush or McBush to end the Iraq occupation.

Gosh, what a stupid question.

BRILLIANT RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!

If you are doing your best to convince me to vote for this lightweight, Mr. Obama, you are not doing a good job.

Try again?

Explain to me why I should expect him to "get the job done" when every politician for 30 years has said the same thing and delivered nothing?

woiyo wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

You shouldn't expect anything of him, any more than I would expect Bush or McBush to end the Iraq occupation.

Gosh, what a stupid question.

BRILLIANT RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!

If you are doing your best to convince me to vote for this lightweight, Mr. Obama, you are not doing a good job.

Try again?

Explain to me why I should expect him to "get the job done" when every politician for 30 years has said the same thing and delivered nothing?

I guess you didn't get it the first time.

I don't want the likes of you supporting my candidate. I would wonder what is wrong with him to convince someone with backward views like yourself to vote for him. If you think that there is anything you can do to convince me to vote for McCain, you are even dumber than I thought.

Roxxxanne wrote:

real life wrote:

It's just the Cyclo philosophy. He sees himself as a reasonable person sharing his POV. And when he can't support his view, it's your fault cuz you're a troll. Simple.

Take your ball and go home , Cyclo.

There's koolaid in the fridge waiting for ya.

Cyclo is a reasonable person, with a few exceptions, those on the right here merely regurgitate right-wing and oil industry talking points and propaganda as well as denying established scientific fact. Arguing with fence posts is a big waste of time.

It is a total waste of time trying to have discussion with "flat-earthers" who refuse to accept established scientific fact.

The best solution to the climate change crisis is the elimination of the human race. After what we have done to this planet, we really no longer have any right to continue to abuse it to sustain ourselves.

feel free to start with yourself. please....

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

You shouldn't expect anything of him, any more than I would expect Bush or McBush to end the Iraq occupation.

Gosh, what a stupid question.

BRILLIANT RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!

If you are doing your best to convince me to vote for this lightweight, Mr. Obama, you are not doing a good job.

Try again?

Explain to me why I should expect him to "get the job done" when every politician for 30 years has said the same thing and delivered nothing?

I guess you didn't get it the first time.

I don't want the likes of you supporting my candidate. I would wonder what is wrong with him to convince someone with backward views like yourself to vote for him. If you think that there is anything you can do to convince me to vote for McCain, you are even dumber than I thought.

I got it now. You do not have the ability to convince me he can get the job done.

So once again, you have proven that those who can not win the battle of ideas, will reduce themselves to name calling. That you do very very well.

woiyo wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

woiyo wrote:

--Supports raising fuel-economy standards for automobiles to 40 miles per gallon and light trucks to 32 mpg by 2020.

He has little bitty balls. Why not by 2010?

-Calls for reducing U.S. oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels a day, by 2030.

How and who must sacrifice? By wait till 2030? Why not 2010?

Every politician for the past 30 years has sadi the same thing and nothing gets done.

Why should I expect this lightweight to get it done?

You shouldn't expect anything of him, any more than I would expect Bush or McBush to end the Iraq occupation.

Gosh, what a stupid question.

BRILLIANT RESPONSE!!!!!!!!!

If you are doing your best to convince me to vote for this lightweight, Mr. Obama, you are not doing a good job.

Try again?

Explain to me why I should expect him to "get the job done" when every politician for 30 years has said the same thing and delivered nothing?

I guess you didn't get it the first time.

I don't want the likes of you supporting my candidate. I would wonder what is wrong with him to convince someone with backward views like yourself to vote for him. If you think that there is anything you can do to convince me to vote for McCain, you are even dumber than I thought.

I got it now. You do not have the ability to convince me he can get the job done.

So once again, you have proven that those who can not win the battle of ideas, will reduce themselves to name calling. That you do very very well.

Why would anyone with the IQ of a gnat try to convince someone who thinks we can reduce oil consumption by 35% in 18 months of anything, much less discuss the nearly insoluble problem of energy consumption and climate change?

Cyclo's argument was that we should put our kids in these contraptions and bicycle around town to solve the energy crisis.

real life wrote:

Cyclo's argument was that we should put our kids in these contraptions and bicycle around town to solve the energy crisis.

You talk about it like it's some kind of weird alien object. They're fairly common you know, and easy to use.

And this is where (local) government and citizens can work together: government builds more bicycle paths, citizens cycle to work more often. It's not some kind of utopian concept: it's what's already being done in the UK, Germany, etc. (not to mention Holland of course). It works, and it doesnt cost much.

I'm much more in favor of companies offering a telecommuting option to their employees on a voluntary basis.

Cost to govt = $0

Laws to pass = none

If 5-10% of the population that currently commutes via car were able to work from home, the energy savings would be enormous.