Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 12 Oct, 2006 06:05 am
Online report of above auotation.
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blatham
 
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Thu 12 Oct, 2006 10:51 am
The New Yorker has a very interesting piece on Rupert Murdoch. There are some good bits (I haven't read it all yet) which reveal the power Murdoch's media machine has to influence electoral results in a number of jurisdictions. The "each vote counts" cliche/ideal/romanticism/delusion takes a bit of a beating in the process but we knew about this already.

An interesting corner relates to what Murdoch says about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Not what one would have expected.

A mere reminder here that chicken counting from and egg survey can be faulty.
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Thomas
 
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Thu 12 Oct, 2006 01:33 pm
Mark Warner is out. Sad

    [b]Warner Rules Out Run for White House in 2008[/b] By JEFF ZELENY and DAVIS STOUT WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 -- Former Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia, who has been traveling across the country for more than a year exploring a bid for the White House, said today that, after "a lot of reflection, prayer and soul-searching," he had decided not to seek the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008. "I have decided not to run for president," Mr. Warner said at a news conference in Richmond. He said his decision was based on family considerations, but he pointedly did not rule out another try for public office later on. A centrist Democrat who has embraced some positions more commonly associated with Republicans, Mr. Warner has been widely regarded as an attractive presidential candidate, one who might run stronger in the South than other Democrats. (For example, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the 2004 Democratic nominee, did not carry any of the 11 states of the old Confederacy). Mr. Warner said his decision crystallized in the past several days. "This past weekend, my family and I went to Connecticut to celebrate my dad's 81st birthday, and then we took my oldest daughter, Madison, to start looking at colleges," Mr. Warner said. "I know these moments are never going to come again. This weekend made clear what I'd been thinking about for many weeks "that while politically this appears to be the right time for me to take the plunge, at this point I want to have a real life."

Full Article
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sozobe
 
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Thu 12 Oct, 2006 01:35 pm
Oh crap!!!

He was the one I was most interested in after Obama.

I blame the New York Times. Seriously, that cover photo in the magazine was so surreally bad and then it turned out that oopsie they messed up the colors, so sorry... grrr.

Now Obama REALLY has to run... <nibbling fingernails>
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Thomas
 
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Thu 12 Oct, 2006 02:49 pm
If it makes you feel any better, they have a much nicer picture of him now that they know he's gone.

    [img]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/12/us/12warner337.jpg[/img]

See? He's still no Adonis, but he no longer looks as if his last name is Addams.
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blatham
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 11:30 am
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/POLITICS/10/15/cover.story.tm/220CNN.jpg

Story here.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 11:34 am
Oh my!!

Thanks, Blatham. Off to read.

(OK, I'm actually getting concerned that he's peaking too early -- the buzz is starting to become a cacaphony. But off to read...)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 11:40 am
http://i10.tinypic.com/358q4ie.jpg

And that story (comment) is HERE

Quote:
While Democrats prematurely rub their hands with glee, hoping for that November to remember when they reclaim control of the House of Representatives and maybe even the Senate, we point to the real importance of the day after Election Day: the start of the 2008 presidential campaign.

Regardless of what happens on the high end of Pennsylvania Avenue, every important political debate that follows will take place in the context of the contest to replace George W. Bush.

For the first time since Dwight Eisenhower faced Adlai Stevenson in 1952, the race for the White House is a truly open seat in both parties, with no vice president hoping to step up and no incumbent seeking a second term.

The pilgrimages to Iowa and New Hampshire have long been under way. You can never see the butter cow or the butter "Last Supper" at the Iowa State Fair too many times. Just as you can never make too many trips to Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire or explore other mountain delights before the onset of winter.

The likely field is obvious. Somebody named Clinton, somebody named McCain. At least one-third of the remaining U.S. senators will look in the mirror and think this is their time. Any number of governors will try to capture that coveted anybody-but-somebody-from-Washington vote. A non "politician." A gadfly or two. Probably not another go by Morry Taylor the "tire king."

Which leads us to the more interesting question, as provincial as it is global: Will Barack Obama run?

There's a reflexive response among many Democrats when the subject is broached. He's too young, they say, too inexperienced. He hasn't accomplished anything in the Senate. He should wait.

Let's demolish those one by one. He would be older than Bill Clinton and John Kennedy were when they ran; he would have more experience than John Edwards. And, think now, when was the last time any senator wooed voters by telling them about a bill he or she sponsored?

And just what should he wait for? In four years, he would either be challenging an incumbent president in his own party (read: political suicide) or an incumbent president in the other party. In eight years, he is likely to be facing either an incumbent from his party, or a presumptive nominee in the person of a sitting vice president.

And how exactly would he spend that time? Few politicians get more popular the more time they spend in the United States Senate. Each day that Obama is there, arguably, is a day when his chances diminish. All those votes, all those needless orations, all that time losing your ability to utter a simple, forceful declarative sentence.

Which in no way minimizes the challenge of an Obama campaign. He has, in fact, never run anything. His jokes about not accomplishing anything in the Senate are sure to be turned against him. Others have been planning this part of their lives almost since birth (think Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana). Who knows the impact on his young family and whether his wife, Michelle, is willing to make the extraordinary sacrifice in privacy that a campaign requires. Who wants the "Truman Show" life?

To run is to risk, though, and Obama is a proven risk taker. In the race that nobody remembers, he lost a primary to Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.), but he took the chance. When he ran for the Senate, most people thought it was more for practice than for real. His reward--just for winning the primary--was a spot on the big stage as the keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention. Talk to any Republican or Democrat and ask whether he or she would rather see Obama or Sen. John Kerry run in '08.

As Theodore Roosevelt said, credit goes to those who enter the arena.

Obama is his party's prom king, the guy everybody wants next to them at the dance. There is no better draw in the party today among any of those who still have a future in elective politics. It's seductive. And it has caused some early queries to go out, subtle questions about future support and availability should he light the candle on a campaign. There has been an evolution in his thinking, from "no way" to "you never know."

So what's wrong with now? Not much. Obama will never be new again.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 12:43 pm
And the other Chicago paper's view of Obama today ... is a book review of his latest book, giving, however, only "snapshots" = quotes from it:

http://i9.tinypic.com/484zrf9.jpg http://i9.tinypic.com/4go93dt.jpg
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Thomas
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 01:11 pm
"American idol" is bad. How many 2004 American idols are still around?
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sozobe
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 02:21 pm
Yeah. I'm getting a shark-jumpy vibe. Eek. We'll see.

I think if nothing else this underscores that he shouldn't announce anything yet, even if he plans to run. Wait, wait, wait, then pounce.

Finished the Joe Klein article. Hmm. His "obsessive tic" stuff seems too subjective to me. Overall it was pretty good, I think there's plenty of room for Obama to chart a viable course between now and 2008.

Walter, thanks for the Sun-Times stuff too -- hadn't seen it before my "buzz" comment above, honest! (As an aside, I think the tragic car accident is the one JPB's daughter is having to deal with [as someone who knew one of the dead boys], very sad.)
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JPB
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 04:17 pm
sozobe wrote:
(As an aside, I think the tragic car accident is the one JPB's daughter is having to deal with [as someone who knew one of the dead boys], very sad.)


Yeah, the boy on the left is the one from our neighborhood. Besides his parents, he is survived by an identical twin brother. It's all very tragic.



Back to Obama.... I don't think he should announce anything yet, but I also think he should stop saying he isn't a candidate if he's going to change his mind later. Maybe it's time he should start letting the question hang.

Did I see somewhere that Hillary's poll numbers jumped a bit after Warner's announcement?
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sozobe
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 08:15 pm
He does seem to be letting it hang more than saying "no" these days. From the Klein article:

Quote:
In Davenport a local reporter asks the question directly: "Are you running for President in 2008?" Obama surprises me by saying he's just thinking about the 2006 election right now, which, in the semiotic dance of presidential politics, is definitely not a no. A few days later, I ask Obama the obvious follow-up question: Will he think about running for President in 2008 when the congressional election is over? "When the election is over and my book tour is done, I will think about how I can be most useful to the country and how I can reconcile that with being a good dad and a good husband," he says carefully, and then adds, "I haven't completely decided or unraveled that puzzle yet."

Which is even closer to a yes--or, perhaps, it's just a clever strategy to gin up some publicity at the launch of his book tour.


At any rate, it's markedly more hang-y than the outright "no's" he was giving for quite a while there.



Hope K (and you) are doing OK. A twin brother, too... sigh.
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talk72000
 
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Sun 15 Oct, 2006 09:16 pm
You are all playing into Republicans' hand by dicerting your attention away from 2006 unless sozobe is really a Republican.
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blatham
 
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Mon 16 Oct, 2006 05:10 am
talk72000 wrote:
You are all playing into Republicans' hand by dicerting your attention away from 2006 unless sozobe is really a Republican.


It's worse than that. She's a Mason.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 16 Oct, 2006 05:22 am
I've always thought: Such an avatar ....
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Thomas
 
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Mon 16 Oct, 2006 05:37 am
Thanks for opening my eyes, talk 7200. All those five years I've known Sozobe for, she's always struck me as a Democrat. That's what a wicked and cunning Republican she is.
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nimh
 
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Mon 16 Oct, 2006 06:38 am
Its not just Soz either, Walter and Blatham are in it too... its a huge conspiracy...

Thomas, on the other hand, is a Communist plant, out to make liberalism/libertarianism look bad by proposing all kinds of extreme notions...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 16 Oct, 2006 09:03 am
I agree totally about Thomas.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Oct, 2006 05:23 am
(Choosing here the headline from the print version of the Chicago Tribune, which differs slightly as you may notice :wink: )

Obama dips toe in 2008 waters

Quote:
While Sen. Barack Obama launches the most public of book tours, with appearances on "Oprah Winfrey," the "Today" show, "Larry King Live" and "Meet the Press," he also is more intensively examining whether to run for president in 2008, reaching out to Democratic operatives and trying to reconcile the demands of a national campaign on his family.

Obama (D-Ill.) has been having quiet conversations with colleagues and friends about a prospective White House run, but a key concern is whether his wife, Michelle, would support it and whether he could manage the time away from their two young daughters.

"He has gotten the presidential bug bite," said Donna Brazile, campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000. "Barack is constantly calling, he's constantly talking to people. He's not calling me to check on the weather. I'm not saying he's in, but he's checking the water. He's having lots of conversations." Brazile said she is scheduled to talk politics with Obama shortly after Election Day.

Sen. Dick Durbin, Illinois' senior Democratic senator and a strong proponent of an Obama presidential bid, said his colleague has learned more about international affairs and the workings of the federal government in his brief Senate career than most governors who run for president. Staying in the Senate, Durbin said, will only provide opponents with more targets as Obama continues to cast votes.

"I said to him, 'Do you really think sticking around the Senate for four more years and casting a thousand more votes will make you more qualified for president?'" Durbin said. "The critical element that remains that he has to face is whether he is willing to be separated from his family for longer periods of time and I think he is staring that right in the face."
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