Ticomaya wrote:Huh? Exactly how did Bush speak "disparagingly of a presidential candidate"?
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I missed the reference to Obama. Wait ... you think he was referring to Obama as the Senator in 1939?
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From your linked article:
The president did not name Sen. Barack Obama or any other Democrat, but [b]White House aides privately acknowledged to CNN that the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate[/b] and others in his party.
joefromchicago wrote:Ticomaya wrote:Huh? Exactly how did Bush speak "disparagingly of a presidential candidate"?
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I missed the reference to Obama. Wait ... you think he was referring to Obama as the Senator in 1939?
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From your linked article:
The president did not name Sen. Barack Obama or any other Democrat, but [b]White House aides privately acknowledged to CNN that the remarks were aimed at the presidential candidate[/b] and others in his party.
Thanks,
Joe, I caught that part. I understood he did not name anyone, and was giving the unnamed sources the credence they deserved. I thought perhaps there was more, but apparently the hullabaloo about Bush "disparaging" Obama in a foreign country is because anonymous White House aides have privately indicated Bush was referencing Obama and other democrats.
Let the feigned righteous indignation burst forth ...
Who appeased who? "The Best Enemies Money Can Buy"
From Hitler To Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden - Insider Connections and the Bush Family's Partnership with Killers of Americans
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Ticomaya wrote:Thanks, Joe, I caught that part. I understood he did not name anyone, and was giving the unnamed sources the credence they deserved. I thought perhaps there was more, but apparently the hullabaloo about Bush "disparaging" Obama in a foreign country is because anonymous White House aides have privately indicated Bush was referencing Obama and other democrats.
No, the "hullabaloo" about Bush disparaging Obama was because that's exactly what Bush intended. The unnamed sources merely confirmed that.
Even if they didn't 'confirm' it...if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one that gets hit will yelp...and Obama was the first one to yelp.
Liked this line of Biden's:
Quote:He said the president should "get in touch with his administration."
"I assume he's going to fire his Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense," Biden said. "They want engagement of Iran."
Robert Gates on talking with Iran:
Quote:"We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage ... and then sit down and talk with them. If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can't go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/05/14/ST2008051404020.html
okie wrote:It will be fun, cyclops. You thought you had it in the bag with Gore, the global warming guru and internet inventor, then with the great John Kerry that served in Vietnam in case you forgot, the guy that saluted in Boston and said reporting for duty, but he forgot that he hadn't been elected yet, now the messiah, Obama, is your next great hope to the promised land with your fellow travelers.
Well I for one
was groaning about Kerry from before he was even the nominee - I thought he'd be a very weak candidate, and so he was.
Obama's not perfect, but he's much better than that. Hell, Hillary would have been better than that.
And of course the GOP wasnt anywhere as impopular then as it is now.
Not saying the Dems have it in the bag or anything... but it's not looking bad, right now, not bad at all.
All the President's Nazis (real and imagined): An Open Letter to Bush
(cross-posted at Huffington Post)
http://www.atlargely.com/2008/05/all-the-preside.html "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
George Santayana
By the way, remember when Huckabee wished everyone Merry Christmas in front of a window frame, and he was accused viciously by liberals that it was a subliminal cross?
Now, Obama openly campaigns with his slogans, "Faith, Hope, Change" pasted right next to a very large cross, with the great religious visionary, Barack Obama, inspiring the masses from a pulpit.
Does any Obama worshiper see a double standard here, or are you blinded by your utter devotion to the man? Somehow I doubt it.
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=712
Whatever works...........well do it.
okie wrote:By the way, remember when Huckabee wished everyone Merry Christmas in front of a window frame, and he was accused viciously by liberals that it was a subliminal cross?
That was a storm in a teacup, and I dont think anyone outside the more hyperexcited margins of the campaign freakshow gave much of a toss. Same here.
No double standard, then, for most of the people you're addressing - unless you know of many liberal posters here who thought the Huckabee message was just "disgusting". But what about you, on the other hand? You think Obama's ad is just "disgusting", while I don't remember you ever making a stink about Huckabee's... Mote, beam, eye?
Yes, I do think Obama's flyer is disgusting, because I think it is totally phony, for the sole purpose of fooling people. The man is looking more and more like a total fraud in my opinion. And his suggestions that practicing Christianity requires government to rob the rich to give to the poor is I think not only wrong, but dangerous. The man is looking more and more like poison in my opinion.
In contrast, Huckabee's religion was more of a personal thing, and more genuine, and was not advertised in the same way that Obama is attempting to do. I think Obama does not really understand Christianity, but thinks he can use it to his advantage to fool alot of people.
I would also remind people that I was not a Huckabee supporter when he was running. I supported Romney, and if anyone is interested in the role of faith in government, I would recommend the speech Romney gave on it. It was a masterful and excellent summation on the subject, and was very well balanced in how personal faith and government are to co-exist, but also be kept separate. Obama is now crossing the line.
A phony..........you mean like wearing a flight suit when you never showed up for duty?
okie wrote:Yes, I do think Obama's flyer is disgusting, because I think it is totally phony, for the sole purpose of fooling people. The man is looking more and more like a total fraud in my opinion. In contrast, Huckabee's religion was more of a personal thing, and more genuine
I think this is all very much eye of the beholder stuff.
I see no evidence that Obama's religion is any less genuine than Huckabee's, myself. I suspect your impression has a lot more to do with your instinctive proclivity (ie, to see the actions of any Dems/liberals in a negative light) than with Obama.
I also think that you take the fact that you dont
agree with Obama's interpretation of the lessons Jesus's teachings have to offer as evidence that he's not a genuine believer, and I dont think that's right.
joefromchicago wrote:Ticomaya wrote:Thanks, Joe, I caught that part. I understood he did not name anyone, and was giving the unnamed sources the credence they deserved. I thought perhaps there was more, but apparently the hullabaloo about Bush "disparaging" Obama in a foreign country is because anonymous White House aides have privately indicated Bush was referencing Obama and other democrats.
No, the "hullabaloo" about Bush disparaging Obama was because that's exactly what Bush intended. The unnamed sources merely confirmed that.
He was likely referring to many people.
But as an earlier poster said, if the shoe fits ...
This is a democarcy damn it!!!
If you can't get the Jesus sheeple to vote for you your done. Everybody lies to the sheeple, their brainless idiots!!!
The idiot vote. Thats what democracy is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
It was actuall Bill Donahue of the Catholic league that got pissed about the Huckabee ad.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/18/politics/main3629668.shtml
Quote:Catholic League president Bill Donahue said Huckabee went beyond wishing people a joyous holiday. Donahue said he was especially disturbed by the cross-like image created by a white bookcase in the background of the ad, saying he believed it was a subliminal message.
Ticomaya wrote:joefromchicago wrote:Ticomaya wrote:Thanks, Joe, I caught that part. I understood he did not name anyone, and was giving the unnamed sources the credence they deserved. I thought perhaps there was more, but apparently the hullabaloo about Bush "disparaging" Obama in a foreign country is because anonymous White House aides have privately indicated Bush was referencing Obama and other democrats.
No, the "hullabaloo" about Bush disparaging Obama was because that's exactly what Bush intended. The unnamed sources merely confirmed that.
He was likely referring to many people.
Some people have a limitless capacity for self-delusion.
