Obama '08?

I plan to go to the Columbus Vote for Change event this Saturday -- anyone else going to their local ones? Would be interested in getting first-hand accounts if so...

nimh wrote:

maporsche wrote:

Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?

Apparently.

I think it is !!

georgeob1 wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

I lend little weight to the polls between Obama/Clinton Vs. McCain at this moment in time. Currently; huge percentages of their respective followers are saying they will vote for McCain if their primary choice doesn't get the nod. I don't believe for one moment these percentages are accurate. After a cooling off period; these disgruntled souls will have to face the reality that Obama/Clinton's politics are largely the same when compared to McCain exclusively. ....

I don't entirely follow your argument here. The poll results showing similar and close results in a McCain vs Obama race and a McCail vs Clinton race are suspect for many reasons - the basic uncertainty attending poll sampling; the six months remaining before the election; and other factors. I don't deny that the elimination of one Democrat from the field might alter the results of a similar poll for the November result, but I can find no basis for predicting what that change might be -- up? or down?

Where'd I lose you George? There are lots of hard-core Hillary fans like BPB that are polling as if it's a three 3 way race, my candidate or bust mentality. But, for every one as illogical as the Bear is promising to be; I'd guess there are 3 or 4 that recognize the simple fact that Obama's and Hillary's platforms are 95% similar (they are both Democrats, after all). Surely you'd agree that at least some percentage of the "I'll vote for McCain out of spite" crowd will come to their senses, yes? On the flip side of the coin; no Obama backer is currently claiming he'll back McCain if Obama wins (there is no other side to this particular coin).

Sure there's lots of reasons any poll is suspect; but I don't see how you could dismiss one as substantial as the number of hardcore Democrats falsely claiming (or even believing) they'll vote against their own beliefs essentially, purely out of spite. The foil hat club that believes Obama is inherently bad, IMO, has to be outnumbered by the rational thinkers that can see he's much closer to Hillary than McCain. For this point to be meritless, though, one would have to posit that none of the current "my candidate or McCain crowd" will eventually cool off and vote for the guy closest to his or her respective ideal. That just doesn't make sense.

I'm not illogical... I'm exercising my right as a taxpaying American citizen to vote for and support or not support any god damn body I please.... f*ck anyone who doesn't like it...

... If the woman has any integrity whatsoever; that is precisely what she'll advise you to do.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

... If the woman has any integrity whatsoever; that is precisely what she'll advise you to do.

Being the skeptic that I am, I'm more curious about what back room deals are offered to her for her support than being concerned about her integrity. Unfortunately, the game must go on...

OCCOM BILL wrote:

... If the woman has any integrity whatsoever; that is precisely what she'll advise you to do.

Being the skeptic that I am, I'm more curious about what back room deals are offered to her for her support than being concerned about her integrity. Unfortunately, the game must go on...

More from CNN -- Lawrence O'Donnell saying that "senior" Hillary campaign people are saying that she'll be out June 15th. Wait for the last primaries, then give a week of trying to sway superdelegates, and then if they're unsuccessful, that's it. Out June 15th.

JPB wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

... If the woman has any integrity whatsoever; that is precisely what she'll advise you to do.

Being the skeptic that I am, I'm more curious about what back room deals are offered to her for her support than being concerned about her integrity. Unfortunately, the game must go on...

Political expediency (for 2012 or 2016) pretty much demands that she pretend to have integrity whether it's genuine or not. She's a zero without the support of the DNC, so what choice does she really have once she's eliminated?

sozobe wrote:

More from CNN -- Lawrence O'Donnell saying that "senior" Hillary campaign people are saying that she'll be out June 15th. Wait for the last primaries, then give a week of trying to sway superdelegates, and then if they're unsuccessful, that's it. Out June 15th.

That's way too far from now.

I hate the media more than any featured figure of this primary season, including Rev. Wright. Every other contest, it decides the momentum has swuing, whether it has or not. So, in spite of all we're reading this week--"Is Hillary Finished?"--after she wins WV as predicted, the media will again have a six-foot Hillary boner, and we'll see this kind of ****: "Why can't Obama close the deal?"

<vomiting>

Gargamel wrote:

sozobe wrote:

More from CNN -- Lawrence O'Donnell saying that "senior" Hillary campaign people are saying that she'll be out June 15th. Wait for the last primaries, then give a week of trying to sway superdelegates, and then if they're unsuccessful, that's it. Out June 15th.

That's way too far from now.

I hate the media more than any featured figure of this primary season, including Rev. Wright. Every other contest, it decides the momentum has swuing, whether it has or not. So, in spite of all we're reading this week--"Is Hillary Finished?"--after she wins WV as predicted, the media will again have a six-foot Hillary boner, and we'll see this kind of ****: "Why can't Obama close the deal?"

<vomiting>

Perhaps, but I wonder if the hardcore Obama-ites would be as eager for him to give it up if he was the one behind after coming this far?

I'm not illogical... I'm exercising my right as a taxpaying American citizen to vote for and support or not support any god damn body I please...

I hate the media more than any featured figure of this primary season, including Rev. Wright. Every other contest, it decides the momentum has swuing, whether it has or not. So, in spite of all we're reading this week--"Is Hillary Finished?"--after she wins WV as predicted, the media will again have a six-foot Hillary boner, and we'll see this kind of ****: "Why can't Obama close the deal?"