Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:37 pm
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
nimh wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
These theoretical match-up polls are meaningless. If they weren't, Fred Thompson would be your nominee. Remember Fred Thompson?

What do you mean by that? I've been following these polls quite closely, and I havent got a clue what you're alluding to here, to be honest.

When it came to match-up polls against the Democratic contenders, Thompson did worse than almost any other Republican frontrunner; only Romney did worse. And in the opinion polls for the Republican nomination itself he was also never more than a flash in the pan.

You don't remember how well Fred Thompson polled before he entered the race?


A refresher


Quote:


Huckabee at the time was polling at 3%. Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:41 pm
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
hamburger wrote:
watched a short hillary clip this morning where she declared - using somewhat different words :
"if this were a republican election , i'd have won already ! "

i wondered if she considers herself a republican in democratic disguise ?
i thought it was a rather strange comment .
hbg


I don't know if someone else has already replied to this, but what she means is that if the delegate allocation were 'winner take all' like the republican primaries, Clinton would have won and had a greater margin than Obama currently enjoys.

If there were no proportional delegate system, Clinton would be the winner.


I'm not sure this is true. Have you done an analysis, or have a link to one?

Cycloptichorn



I have done one, and posted it several times on this forum. I have not done one that included the primaries from yesterday, but I'm sure it would still have Clinton as the winner.




Here is a link.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/07/hillary/

Quote:

And let's note that in a winner-take-all system, Clinton would still be leading in delegates, 1,430 to 1,257, even without Michigan and Florida
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:41 pm
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
hamburger wrote:
watched a short hillary clip this morning where she declared - using somewhat different words :
"if this were a republican election , i'd have won already ! "

i wondered if she considers herself a republican in democratic disguise ?
i thought it was a rather strange comment .
hbg


I don't know if someone else has already replied to this, but what she means is that if the delegate allocation were 'winner take all' like the republican primaries, Clinton would have won and had a greater margin than Obama currently enjoys.

If there were no proportional delegate system, Clinton would be the winner.


I'm not sure this is true. Have you done an analysis, or have a link to one?

Cycloptichorn



I have done one, and posted it several times on this forum. I have not done one that included the primaries from yesterday, but I'm sure it would still have Clinton as the winner.


It's a pointless Red Herring as the contests were not winner take all. It is the same with the popular vote argument. If that were the parameter, Obama would have run his campaign differently. This is like suddenly declaring that the winner of a baseball game is the team who got the most hits. It is gruel for losers.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:43 pm
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
hamburger wrote:
watched a short hillary clip this morning where she declared - using somewhat different words :
"if this were a republican election , i'd have won already ! "

i wondered if she considers herself a republican in democratic disguise ?
i thought it was a rather strange comment .
hbg


I don't know if someone else has already replied to this, but what she means is that if the delegate allocation were 'winner take all' like the republican primaries, Clinton would have won and had a greater margin than Obama currently enjoys.

If there were no proportional delegate system, Clinton would be the winner.


I'm not sure this is true. Have you done an analysis, or have a link to one?

Cycloptichorn



I have done one, and posted it several times on this forum. I have not done one that included the primaries from yesterday, but I'm sure it would still have Clinton as the winner.


It's a pointless Red Herring as the contests were not winner take all. It is the same with the popular vote argument. If that were the parameter, Obama would have run his campaign differently. This is like suddenly declaring that the winner of a baseball game is the team who got the most hits. It is gruel for losers.



Oh...you got me again! Rolling Eyes


If you don't want to join my mental sexual escapades, then please leave me to them with those who would like to partake.

I'm not forcing you to read/reply to my posts about these hypotheticals.
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fishin
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:45 pm
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.


Well, if anyone would be famaliar with hypothetical matchups and mental masturbation it'd be you Roxxanne.
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Brand X
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:46 pm
fishin wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.


Well, if anyone would be famaliar with hypothetical matchups and mental masturbation it'd be you Roxxanne.


LOL!
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:47 pm
What's next for the Clintonista Kool-aid drinkers? Hillary would have won if they had just raised the voting age to 31.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:48 pm
fishin wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.


Well, if anyone would be famaliar with hypothetical matchups and mental masturbation it'd be you Roxxanne.



Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:55 pm
maporsche wrote:
fishin wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.


Well, if anyone would be famaliar with hypothetical matchups and mental masturbation it'd be you Roxxanne.



Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?


LOL, I don't even have a red light (except on the back of my Porsche) and I run them occasionally. Does that qualify me?
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maporsche
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:57 pm
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
maporsche wrote:
fishin wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Hypothetical matchup polls are mental masturbation.


Well, if anyone would be famaliar with hypothetical matchups and mental masturbation it'd be you Roxxanne.



Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?


LOL, I don't even have a red light (except on the back of my Porsche) and I run them occasionally. Does that qualify me?



Question
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Not a Soccer Mom
 
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Wed 7 May, 2008 07:58 pm
maporsche wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
maporsche wrote:
hamburger wrote:
watched a short hillary clip this morning where she declared - using somewhat different words :
"if this were a republican election , i'd have won already ! "

i wondered if she considers herself a republican in democratic disguise ?
i thought it was a rather strange comment .
hbg


I don't know if someone else has already replied to this, but what she means is that if the delegate allocation were 'winner take all' like the republican primaries, Clinton would have won and had a greater margin than Obama currently enjoys.

If there were no proportional delegate system, Clinton would be the winner.


I'm not sure this is true. Have you done an analysis, or have a link to one?

Cycloptichorn



I have done one, and posted it several times on this forum. I have not done one that included the primaries from yesterday, but I'm sure it would still have Clinton as the winner.


It's a pointless Red Herring as the contests were not winner take all. It is the same with the popular vote argument. If that were the parameter, Obama would have run his campaign differently. This is like suddenly declaring that the winner of a baseball game is the team who got the most hits. It is gruel for losers.



Oh...you got me again! Rolling Eyes


If you don't want to join my mental sexual escapades, then please leave me to them with those who would like to partake.

I'm not forcing you to read/reply to my posts about these hypotheticals.


Stop leaning in so close to the plate if you can't take the high hard ones.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 12:28 am
http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img186/291/obamanv9.png

*Really we're pretty sure this time.

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 12:34 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img186/291/obamanv9.png

*Really we're pretty sure this time.

Cycloptichorn

LOL.

I think they could have used a larger font.

T
K
O
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 07:17 am
Yes, according to the media, all that is left is the official coronation:

IT'S OVER
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nimh
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 07:23 am
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
nimh wrote:
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:
These theoretical match-up polls are meaningless. If they weren't, Fred Thompson would be your nominee. Remember Fred Thompson?

What do you mean by that? I've been following these polls quite closely, and I havent got a clue what you're alluding to here, to be honest.

When it came to match-up polls against the Democratic contenders, Thompson did worse than almost any other Republican frontrunner; only Romney did worse. And in the opinion polls for the Republican nomination itself he was also never more than a flash in the pan.

You don't remember how well Fred Thompson polled before he entered the race?


A refresher


Quote:

Not sure I follow your logic here. So because ol' Fred at some point in time was polling in second place, that means that if polls were truly meaningful, "Fred Thompson would be your nominee"?

Even if one would retroactively assign year-long predictive power to polls from June last year, that still wouldnt make the candidate then polling in second place the nominee now.

Like I said, the polls already unmasked him as a flash in the pan. He surged for a bit, but never became the frontrunner, and practically as soon as he actually started running, he faded away again.

But your logic apparently extends further still. The fact that Thompson last year for a time polled in second place in the Republican primary makes today's match-up polls between the Democratic frontrunners and the Repubiblcan nominee meaningless, is what you said. How's that work? What do the two things have to do with one another?

The only overarching logic I can imagine that would cover such a correlation is if one would conclude that if the election polls at time X about subject Y were proven wrong, it follows that all polls at any time about any subject are meaningless. Doesnt really make sense to me, but I gather that you wont ever be referring to any polling in defense of your arguments, then.
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nimh
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 07:24 am
maporsche wrote:
Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?

Apparently.
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revel
 
  1  
Thu 8 May, 2008 08:21 am
I think polls are good for gaudging the mood of the moment which changes daily or at least pretty fast. That is if they are done right and not screwed with idealogical slanted questions such as the one dyslexia posted on his thread today.

Speaking of polls.

Gallup Daily: Obama and Clinton Both Tie McCain

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/050708DailyUpdateGraph2_klae59eanv.gif

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/050708DailyUpdateGraph3_l8v6z1.gif
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sozobe
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 08:37 am
This is interesting (via First Read):

Quote:
The Boston Globe: "The Obama campaign declined to discuss superdelegate strategy, and Obama superdelegates on Capitol Hill smile enigmatically when asked if the endorsements have been scheduled for dramatic effect. 'In view of [Clinton's] wish to prolong what I think is the inevitable, I think the campaign is setting its strategy accordingly,' said Representative Paul Hodes, a New Hampshire Democrat who was among the first House lawmakers to back Obama."

More: " 'I think people come in [as supporters], and I think the campaign orchestrates their announcements,' said Tad Devine, a veteran Democratic strategist not working for either presidential contender. 'Right now, I think the Obama campaign has a lot more incoming,' but is deliberately not unveiling them all at once, Devine said. 'I don't think they want to muscle Hillary Clinton out of the race,' Devine added. 'They have to be really concerned about how they win it. If he is perceived as having shoved her out, that could be bad.'"


I've wondered why they haven't rolled out more superdels -- it really seems like they have more in the wings, and why not now? "Shoving her out," that makes sense.
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georgeob1
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 08:46 am
Not a Soccer Mom wrote:


It's a pointless Red Herring as the contests were not winner take all. It is the same with the popular vote argument. If that were the parameter, Obama would have run his campaign differently. This is like suddenly declaring that the winner of a baseball game is the team who got the most hits. It is gruel for losers.


Perhaps true, but it is far from evident that a change in Obama's campaign tactics would have yielded the needed different result. You have not - and cannot - demonstrate the truth of that proposition. Once again merely dismissing evidence you don't like. OK, I suppose, If you can get away with it.
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georgeob1
 
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Thu 8 May, 2008 08:48 am
nimh wrote:
maporsche wrote:
Is this Roxxxanne's new identity?

Apparently.


I think it is !!
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