Obama '08?

It is probably important to stop short of drinking ALL your own bath water.

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McCain isn't so bad. He's just painted himself into a corner by following in lock-step with the stupid f*cks who run the GOP.

It's the GOP that really sucks.

Maybe McCain could call a press conference in a couple weeks and say that he got conked on the head, doesn't remember anything from the past five years or so, and wishes to change his whole platform. Hehehe...

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I think many people will remember how much sense McCain made over the last 7 years and take that into consideration when deciding who to vote for. He's pandered in the primary cycle, but he was the democrats best friend on the right side over the last 6-7 years. The centrist independents will not forget that in November, even if the left does.

I think McCain is a problem for Obama (or Clinton) in 11/08....and the VP choices for either candidate will be of the utmost importance. This may be the first time I ever vote for a republican.

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maporsche wrote:

I think many people will remember how much sense McCain made over the last 7 years and take that into consideration when deciding who to vote for. He's pandered in the primary cycle, but he was the democrats best friend on the right side over the last 6-7 years. The centrist independents will not forget that in November, even if the left does.

I think McCain is a problem for Obama (or Clinton) in 11/08....and the VP choices for either candidate will be of the utmost importance. This may be the first time I ever vote for a republican.

Why? What policies does McCain support that you support?

I'd also like to know what 'sense' McCain has made over the last 7 years? You surely remember that he has now repudiated his previous position on nearly every issue.

How is he supposed to walk away from the comments and claims he's made during the primary, in order to appeal to the middle? He'll alienate his already shaky base!

Cycloptichorn

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kickycan wrote:

McCain isn't so bad. [..] It's the GOP that really sucks.

True that. McCain is consistently outperforming the Republican brand by 10, 20%. Instead of grumbling about how he's not conservative enough, the Republicans should be on their knees thanking the guy for at least giving them a shot.

In a generic ballot where people are asked whether they'd vote for a Republican or a Democrat, the Democrat leads easily by wide double digits. It's just McCain's personal appeal and high favourables that keeps the presidential race close.

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The only reason Obama has looked strong is because he's running against the Queen of the Negatives.

If Hillary doesn't get nominated there are loads of her would be voters going over to McGaffe. Then there's another huge portion that will just not be able to go in the booth choose Obama.

Kerry couldn't beat Bush....no way BHO is beating McCain.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

maporsche wrote:
I think many people will remember how much sense McCain made over the last 7 years and take that into consideration when deciding who to vote for. He's pandered in the primary cycle, but he was the democrats best friend on the right side over the last 6-7 years. The centrist independents will not forget that in November, even if the left does.

I think McCain is a problem for Obama (or Clinton) in 11/08....and the VP choices for either candidate will be of the utmost importance. This may be the first time I ever vote for a republican.

Why? What policies does McCain support that you support?

I'd also like to know what 'sense' McCain has made over the last 7 years? You surely remember that he has now repudiated his previous position on nearly every issue.

How is he supposed to walk away from the comments and claims he's made during the primary, in order to appeal to the middle? He'll alienate his already shaky base!

Cycloptichorn

Everyone walks away from comments they make in the primary.

In addition, anything that McCain would like to do that is 'crazy' will be held in check by the aforementioned Democratic congress/house. He will be a neutered president, which is what I prefer.

And Gun Control is a main issue that I agree with McCain on, ESPECIALLY when matched to Obama.

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georgeob1 wrote:

It is probably important to stop short of drinking ALL your own bath water.

Just being open with my opinion, george. It is frustrating to see my candidate try to pretend to have Democrat positions on some things, and criticize his own party. I don't think he can win by criticizing the very people he claims to be running under the banner of. What I say here pales compared to John McCain's insults of his own party.

I still plan to vote for John, as of today. Who knows about tomorrow.

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maporsche wrote:

He's pandered in the primary cycle, but he was the democrats best friend on the right side over the last 6-7 years. The centrist independents will not forget that in November

I think you're thinking of the John McCain of 2000-2004. Thats a long time ago, in political terms.

Ever since the 2004 elections, and that's already over three years ago, McCain has been steadily repudiating and abandoning all those centrist and independent-minded views he had, and embracing the Bush doctrine so fully, he was often more Bushite than Bush.

It's worth noting that by doing that, he actually returned to who he had been before he reinvented himself as maverick independent for the 2000 campaign. Before he started preparing his presidential run, in his many legislative years, McCain was a staunch conservative.

So you gotta wonder which identity is more of a conceit: the cross-the-board conservative John McCain of the last three years and the long Congressional years before 2000, or the independent-minded centrist maverick John McCain of 2000-2004?

Or maybe neither is a conceit, and he's just a very temperamental man who tends to swerve this way or that, depending on where his career and emotions happen to lead him.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Some viewpoints are not worth considering and negotiating with terrorists is not a sign of strength but capitulation to their demands.

You are free to echo the failed policies of your failed president all you like, but that doesn't make them any more accurate; it only puts you in the same column as him.

Cycloptichorn

You do realize that not negotiating with terrorists has been the official policy of the US govt since the 1970's, at least.
So, if its a failed policy under Bush, wouldnt it also be a failed policy under every previous president since that became official policy?

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Brand X wrote:

The only reason Obama has looked strong is because he's running against the Queen of the Negatives.

If Hillary doesn't get nominated there are loads of her would be voters going over to McGaffe. Then there's another huge portion that will just not be able to go in the booth choose Obama.

Kerry couldn't beat Bush....no way BHO is beating McCain.

Every sentence is an assertion, nothing more.

I doubt that more then 10% of the voters who support Hillary will, in the end, support McCain. And I doubt that McCain will get 100% support from the Republican party, 'specially if he moves to the middle in the general. And I can't help but remember that the self-identification as Republican is the lowest level of my lifetime.

You're completely wrong, X. I understand the sentiment but McCain is not the guy to win this one.

Cycloptichorn

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mysteryman wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Some viewpoints are not worth considering and negotiating with terrorists is not a sign of strength but capitulation to their demands.

You are free to echo the failed policies of your failed president all you like, but that doesn't make them any more accurate; it only puts you in the same column as him.

Cycloptichorn

You do realize that not negotiating with terrorists has been the official policy of the US govt since the 1970's, at least.
So, if its a failed policy under Bush, wouldnt it also be a failed policy under every previous president since that became official policy?

Are you advocating the idea that our terrorism policies in the years before 9/11 were successful?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Brand X wrote:
The only reason Obama has looked strong is because he's running against the Queen of the Negatives.

If Hillary doesn't get nominated there are loads of her would be voters going over to McGaffe. Then there's another huge portion that will just not be able to go in the booth choose Obama.

Kerry couldn't beat Bush....no way BHO is beating McCain.

Every sentence is an assertion, nothing more.

I doubt that more then 10% of the voters who support Hillary will, in the end, support McCain. And I doubt that McCain will get 100% support from the Republican party, 'specially if he moves to the middle in the general. And I can't help but remember that the self-identification as Republican is the lowest level of my lifetime.

You're completely wrong, X. I understand the sentiment but McCain is not the guy to win this one.

Cycloptichorn

Tell me how you think the Obama/McCain match up is going to be a better match up for Obama than Kerry was against Bush. I still don't think this country is going to elect Obama if it wouldn't Kerry.

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Brand X wrote:

I still don't think this country is going to elect Obama if it wouldn't Kerry.

But Kerry was a douchebag! I dont think Obama could possibly do a worse campaign than Kerry did. Even Hillary I think would have done better than Kerry.

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nimh wrote:

Brand X wrote:
I still don't think this country is going to elect Obama if it wouldn't Kerry.

But Kerry was a douchebag! I dont think Obama could possibly do a worse campaign than Kerry did. Even Hillary I think would have done better than Kerry.

I agree the campaigns have been somewhat better, and Obama is a douchebag too.

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okie wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
It is probably important to stop short of drinking ALL your own bath water.

Just being open with my opinion, george. It is frustrating to see my candidate try to pretend to have Democrat positions on some things, and criticize his own party. I don't think he can win by criticizing the very people he claims to be running under the banner of. What I say here pales compared to John McCain's insults of his own party.

I still plan to vote for John, as of today. Who knows about tomorrow.

Things move fast here. My comment was directed to Cyclo, not you.

He has an extreme dose of a common human frailty - the tendency to believe that what you only hope is true really is so - that what you wish for is already a fact. i.e. Cyclo likes Obama, therefore McCain has of necessity backed himself into a corner, without any options other than to lose by a margin even greater than the one he faces now, etc, etc. Review his posts above ... it gets worse and worse...

In a fight, one should always wish for an opponent afflicted with this disease.

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Only Cyclo's assertions are valid. :wink:

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nattering nabobs of negativism spoken by Spiro Agnew, written by Safire.

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Argh, I've written at length about how well Obama matches up with McCain, but I'm not finding it back. (If anyone can think of a way to do so that'd be great. It's on this thread I think.)

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[quote="nimh]But Kerry was a douchebag! [/quote]

Boy, the comments are classic today.

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