Obama '08?

all oe too :wink:

Check that 300,000 is possible.

Yup, a severe case of arrested development. Sad.

It looks as though we are headed for a larger than expected Obama win in North Carolina and possibly a much narrower than expected Clinton win in Indiana. If this is how it winds up then I think Clinton's prospects will be very slim indeed - she needed to increase her momentum and significantly close the gap in committed delegates, and it now appears she will instead lose ground in both areas.

Just finished watching Obama's remarks before his team in North Carolina - very skillful and effective.

The prospects of an Obama - McCain ace in the November election remain very hard to predict (at least as I see it). The racial character of voting patterns appears to have grown significantly compared to the earlier primaries. One can argue this is (on both sides) a result of the Wright and other related controversies. Overall I think this is an unfortunate result for everyone; Black, White, Democrat, Republican.

Hillary ran a great campaign the last month while Obama faltered with the Wright distraction. Give Hillary some credit here. (And Bill did well on the stump too lately) The fact that Obama beat the Clinton machine cannot be understated. Beating McCain will be child's play in comparison. Once this becomes a fair fight, one against one, instead of two against one, the likely result in November will become clear.

I don't agree, particularly based on the emerging pattern of racially based voting, and what that is likely to engender in the six months remaining before the election.

I think you're wrong about the racial part. Inter-party rivalries have little to do with defections to the side of a deeply unpopular political party.

And I hope you are wrong about the attack Iran part.

Cycloptichorn

That's wishful thinking on your part.

Exactly.


Hillary ain't exactly chopped liver. She is an extremely attractive candidate and had she campaigned as well from day one as she is campaigning now, she would have the nomination locked up. But it is laughable to think that the Dems winning would depend on winning blue collar white men.

Clinton just asked for money in her Indiana victory speech and then pushed the gas tax holiday again. Not what I expected.

yeah... What's up with that?

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Her last refuge, count Florida and Michigan! Look at Bill, he knows it is lost. When is Chelsea going to run?

David Gergen said it looked like Chelsa's heart was breaking, I didn't see it but I definitely saw Bill's body langauge of defeat. I have to give it to Hillary, she is a helluva fighter and would make a great president.

The Clintonistas have the "scorched earth" card yet to play.

Remember the bullshit about the $10 million in donations? A lot of it may have come from herself.

Russert says that it is still possible that Indiana could come in for Obama. Wouldn't that be something.

It has already been played. That look in Bill's eye tells me he knows the last dog has died. Hillary needed a HUGE win in Indiana and at worst, a close loss in NC. The campaign is in debt and although the Clintons have made a lot of money recently, they are not so wealthy as to give all their money away to a lost cause.

Pat Buchanan is saying the same thing I said about Bill Clinton and saying Hillary's speech tonight was "valedictorian."

I wouldn't be so quick to call Indiana for Clinton. According to NPR, Lake County (Gary) hasn't reported a single precinct yet. In Marion County (Indianapolis), Obama beat Clinton by over 60 thousand votes. He currently trails Clinton statewide by 40 thousand. If Obama can get the same kind of margin of victory in Lake County that he did in Marion County (which I think is certainly possible), he may pull this one out.

I was thinking about the potential reaction, in the final election, of undecided White voters to the rather overwhelming majorities Obama is now getting among Blacks. To the extent the issue degenerates to merely a racial thing it hurts Obama - just based on the numbers. An unfortunate outcome, but understandable in human terms on both sides.

I could be wrong - as could you: we shall see. (Only roxxxxy can see the future.)

I don't get your meaning about the "attack Iran part". I haven't advocated such an attack.

George, are you saying white Democrats are not gonna vote for Obama because too many blacks are voting for him? I am not getting this "unfortunate" angle you are clinging to.

from tpm

As the fate of a nailbiter Indiana primary -- and possibly the course of the Democratic race -- hung on his city, Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said just now that it might take a while yet to finish counting the vote in Lake County, which includes Gary, and said that his city had turned out so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama that it might just be enough to close the gap with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"Let me tell you, when all the votes are counted, when Gary comes in, I think you're looking at something for the word to see," Clay, an Obama supporter, said in a telephone interview from Obama's Gary headquarters. "I don't know what the numbers are yet, but Gary has absolutely produced in large numbers for Obama here."

Clay said the results were late coming in from Lake County because of the large numbers of absentee ballots that had to be counted -- about 11,000. Under local practice, all of the cartridges from voting machines in Gary and nearby East Chicago are first collected at the local airport before being driven to the county headquarters to be tallied with the results from the rest of the county, he said. He said there were no major technical problems holding up the count.

Here's some more from the blog of one of the local papers ...

With Hillary Clinton's statewide lead under 40,000, the pending results from Lake County loom large.

While Clinton reportedly led voting in cities like Hammond, Whiting and East Chicago, Gary Mayor Rudy Clay is indicating a huge margin in favor of Obama in his city.
It's very lopsided," Clay said, pointing to a hand-written list of precinct results.

According to his numbers, in most districts Clinton's turnout in the city of Gary was near non-existent. One district saw 126 voters turn out for Obama, while only four voted for Clinton.

Clay said the election is seeing a record turnout in the city.

"We're used to having maybe a 22, 23 percent turnout for a primary. We're seeing numbers as high as 85 to 95 percent," Clay said. "The Gary people took care of business."