Roxxxanne wrote:Crap maybe but not blatant libel. I am not taking **** from people who try to libel me.
You wouldn't know libel if it punched you in the nose.
Sounds like Ari needs to relax a little.......
I copied this here for Roxxxannne and anyone else who has blustered about Clinton's being a lost cause. I won't believe Obama has the nomination until I see her concession speech. I think you can't count her or anyone out who is willing to do anything - anything - to win.
This is from Andy Ostroy - a Clinton supporter who calls himself a "realisticrat":
Obama, in order to achieve the historic presidential greatness that might one day be his destiny, needs to first get past the supreme ugliness that he faces with the RRAM (ruthless republican attack machine). And I am as confident as a caterpillar at a toe-countin' contest that McCain & Company will eat him alive in the general election.
He has unfortunately armed the RRAM with way too much ammunition involving his Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, William Ayers, flag pin, BitterGate and Michelle's "pride" controversies. Throw in the inescapable fact that he's a 46-year-young black man with a Muslim name, a drug past and just three years experience in the Senate and the picture deeply worsens. Now before I continue, don't shoot the messenger. I personally don't care about any of this nonsense, but you can bet your ass the RRAM is salivating as we speak. If you believe otherwise, you are beyond naive. I've taken a lot of heat over the past several months over this position. But I am not in the politically-correct business. Remember, I'm a Realisticrat. My only goal is to win.
That brings us to Clinton, who is way too untrustworthy, untruthful and disingenuous to way too many people, including this writer. But the simple truth is, people expect such duplicity from politicians, and especially from the Clintons. There's nothing new on the front.
With the Clintons, it's the same old same old. The skeletons are already out of the closet, and have been under the RRAM microscope since '92. Unlike with Obama, her news is old news. But more important, Hillary has the Ruthless Clinton Attack Machine (RCAM) behind her, consisting of Howard Wolfson, James Carville and many other battle-tested warriors who know how to fight the RRAM and win. I'll put my money on them any day of the week.
FreeDuck wrote:The McCain parts were the ones I didn't like, actually. I kind of wanted him to reconnect with us more as he has done in the past and really didn't want to hear about McCain anymore. And he did do that more towards the end, but it wasn't my favorite speech.
Yea; well at some point we have got to start concentrating on McCain; you know the other guy in the race. Obama seems to be doing that while Hillary is just concentrating on beating Obama at all cost including pandering to prejudices and fears.
Snood; pretty depressing that people are just going to accept the way Hillary has run her compaign merely because they see it as a winner. I am hoping in the coming months it will not work as more people point it out.
I agree with your reason for posting that -- it ain't over 'til it's over, and a lot could still happen.
I disagree with this, though:
Quote:With the Clintons, it's the same old same old. The skeletons are already out of the closet, and have been under the RRAM microscope since '92. Unlike with Obama, her news is old news
Two things wrong with it:
1. Skeletons may be out but that doesn't mean everyone remembers -- and it's easy enough to remind people (and get strong reactions by doing so).
2. They haven't been under the RRAM microscope since 2000 -- 8 years! And a lot of stuff seems to have happened during that time, especially with Bill (just talking financial stuff, who knows what else). Or probably more to the point, it hasn't been in the RRAM's interest to publicize anything already found since 2000. Much better to hold it close to the vest and then spring it on the Democratic nominee, rather than eliminating the weaker Dem candidate before the nomination is decided, and leaving the stronger one to go on and beat McCain.
Well folks, I have just one thing to say about last night...WOW!!!
I went to the Obama rally, and the John Mellencamp show was fantastic.
The big screens in the stadium were on CNN so everyone could watch the results of the voting, but when Hillary came on to make her victory speech the screens were turned off so we didnt get to hear what she said.
The crowd was primed for Obama, and I will admit that it was tough to not get caught up in the excitement the crowd felt.
When Obama came in the crowd did go nuts, like he was a rock star.
About his speech, it actually impressed me, at the start.
He did say some things I never would have expected him to say.
He started out with congratulations to Hillary for winning, and the crowd booed at that part.
But what he did say that did surprise me was when he said that Bush wasnt totally to blame for the problems this country faces.
His comments about the job loss and the reliance on fossil fuel being a problem that every President and every admin has faced and avoided since the 70's surprised me, because thats not something you expect any politician to do, especially when his own party bears some of the blame.
But after a while, if you didnt know the primary results, you would have thought he had won the voting.
He started his attacks on McCain, and he started sounding like a politician, instead of being the "new voice" that he wants everyone to think he is.
Surprisingly, I wasnt the only person there that still was uncommitted to any candidate, nor was I the only conservative there.
Several of the people I talked to were there for the same reason I was.
Obama didnt stay and talk to people afterwards, like Hillary did (at least not to my knowledge he didnt).
I thought that hurt him a little bit because he didnt seem to want to talk to any of his supporters from the "common people".
Of course, to be fair, he had just lost the primary and was probably tired.
All in all, I would give him a "B" for his performance last night.
I am still not committed to voting for him, I want to hear McCain speak first.
But, I will say I am leaning towards him (for now).
That however could change before the KY primary in May.
BTW, someone asked if I was wearing an orange shirt.
I wore my red FD shirt that I am wearing in my pic on here.
Hi mysteryman, great to get your take.
Yeah, I think that was probably an unusual event (meet 'n' greet-wise) because of the timing -- the night of the PA primary! Whoa!
I've mentioned that I've met him twice (both after rallies), and I think that's more usual. Also he's famous for talking to overflow people.
Glad you were able to see him, interested in your McCain take, too.
Thanks for your take, MM. Very interesting. I hope you'll get to see him again under different circumstances when he has more time to answer questions.
mysteryman wrote:All in all, I would give him a "B" for his performance last night.
I am still not committed to voting for him, I want to hear McCain speak first.
But, I will say I am leaning towards him (for now).
That however could change before the KY primary in May.
Hey MM, that was really interesting. Thanks for your take, and if you go to a McCain event (or who knows, another, more 'personal' Obama one :wink: ), tell us all about it again!
I'm so happy for Mrs. Clinton, I can't stand it...
Are you happy too?
Miller wrote:I'm so happy for Mrs. Clinton, I can't stand it...
Are you happy too?
Congrats have been offered on the Clinton thread.
In my wildest dreams I would never have believed that after 8 years of Bush that a republican stood a ghost of a chance of being elected to the presidency in 08. However, if Obama becomes the democratic candidate, and in all likelihood he will be, the odds are better than even that the impossible will occur. IMO Obama will not win a national election. The republicans will chew him up and spit out the pieces.
au1929 wrote:In my wildest dreams I would never have believed that after 8 years of Bush that a republican stood a ghost of a chance of being elected to the presidency in 08. However, if Obama becomes the democratic candidate, and in all likelihood he will be, the odds are better than even that the impossible will occur. IMO Obama will not win a national election. The republicans will chew him up and spit out the pieces.
I am optimistic that, unless he commits a major gaffe between now and then, McCain can make a good showing against Obama in November though I don't quite share your confidence that McCain would be a sure winner. Do you think Hillary would have a better chance of beating McCain?
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Quote: I am optimistic that, unless he commits a major gaffe between now and then, McCain can make a good showing against Obama in November though I don't quite share your confidence that McCain would be a sure winner. Do you think Hillary would have a better chance of beating McCain?
Nothing is sure but death and taxes. However,if I were going to bet on the outcome my money would be on an Obama loss. How far will well delivered speeches and empty rhetoric carry him. Obama is like a shiny penny about to get scuffed.
As to whether Clinton would do better against McCain. Without a doubt.
Foxfyre wrote:au1929 wrote:In my wildest dreams I would never have believed that after 8 years of Bush that a republican stood a ghost of a chance of being elected to the presidency in 08. However, if Obama becomes the democratic candidate, and in all likelihood he will be, the odds are better than even that the impossible will occur. IMO Obama will not win a national election. The republicans will chew him up and spit out the pieces.
I am optimistic that, unless he commits a major gaffe between now and then, McCain can make a good showing against Obama in November though I don't quite share your confidence that McCain would be a sure winner. Do you think Hillary would have a better chance of beating McCain?
LOL McCain makes a major gaffe every day. The guy is a walking gaffe.
Okay, I'm prepared to take my lumps for this, but I thought this was funny:
